I clearly stated that he's the only one in this thread that thinks BOTH models will still retain a Core 2 Duo which is completely asinine. I'd rather not have to repeat myself but it looks like I'm going to have to. The only reason for Apple to continue to use the Core 2 Duo is for the 320m as they can't use their integrated GPU with Clarkdale CPU's as they have Intel's HD Graphics. The 4670 in the higher end 21.5" iMac is superior to the 320m. Them downgrading the graphics performance while still retaining the older Wolfdale processor? Best joke I've heard all week. That's not even mentioning the fact that it costs Apple more to use the Wolfdale CPU's than it would for them to use the Clarkdale CPU's.
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with i Core Intel is shipping their HD graphics on the same package as the CPU. plenty of non intel motherboards out there since even Intel doesn't really manufacture their own motherboards.
Apple has used Nvidia's nForce motherboards where the graphics is embedded with the chipset because Nvidia has been able to put everything on one chip in the chipset.
this is good for everyone except Apple. Everyone can now sell laptops almost as small and light as MacBooks even though the graphics aren't as powerful. bad for apple because they want to stay with nvidia.
i don't see what the big deal is since they can just use intel HD graphics and ATI's graphics
all i know is that i've had an i5 laptop from Lenovo that my employer bought me 2 weeks ago. and i'll never buy a Core 2 Duo computer after using i Core. at least not with the prices Apple is charging.
windows 7 runs itunes and my iphone just fine
i was a few keystrokes from buying a 21.5" last year when Amazon had them on sale and my wife didn't want to. back then they were a killer deal. these days every computer apple sells is overpriced
There are non-intel motherboards, but are there ones with iX sockets? It may be some sort of apple-only thing, but i doubt it. I don't think there CAN be any iX motherboards other than intel's, because of the licensing restrictions i talked about. Correct me if i'm wrong, and when you understand what i'm talking about
EDIT: Okay, i mean some sort of restriction preventing Nvidia from delivering integrated graphics with iX processors, like i said, i'm not entirely sure of the exact wording in the license, but i know that apple had little choice when they put intel graphics in the MBP
There are non-intel motherboards, but are there ones with iX sockets? It may be some sort of apple-only thing, but i doubt it. I don't think there CAN be any iX motherboards other than intel's, because of the licensing restrictions i talked about. Correct me if i'm wrong, and when you understand what i'm talking about
there are plenty of non intel iX motherboards, except they all have intel chipsets on them. the licensing is for how devices interact with the CPU. AMD makes their own chipsets. Intel doesn't want any non-intel chipsets interacting with their CPU's.
nvidia had a 1 chip chipset solution for years now which is why Apple likes them. Intel has only started doing this with the i Core CPU's or doesn't do it yet, not sure.
the whole issue is the non intel motherboard chipsets interacting with the CPU
What I think Apple should do at this point is go for the highest computer standards they can achieve with their next batch of updates. They're at a point that they can overtake Microsoft and should push the technology as much as possible to ensure they can outperform their long-time rival at least once.
Obviously the blue-ray updates are not likely to come into fruition anytime soon. USB 3 and FW 3200 are a must for their entire computer line by the next update. And they really should use the best graphics they can install for their high-end products to at least make them competitive with other systems.
What I really would like to see in the imac above other things is USB and Firewire ports on the side of the screen. Where they have that SD card would really be complimented by another FW port and two USB + headphone jack. That would make it easier to plug in external devices. That's what I really would want to see.
Obviously the blue-ray updates are not likely to come into fruition anytime soon. USB 3 and FW 3200 are a must for their entire computer line by the next update. And they really should use the best graphics they can install for their high-end products to at least make them competitive with other systems.
What I really would like to see in the imac above other things is USB and Firewire ports on the side of the screen. Where they have that SD card would really be complimented by another FW port and two USB + headphone jack. That would make it easier to plug in external devices. That's what I really would want to see.
That sounds like a great idea, and to tell you the truth, i would love it too, but it does sounds kind of ugly to me... So i doubt they would do it. Apple is all about keeping the wires as low-key as possible, and putting them in plain sight wouldn't do that too well.
Speaking of the headphone jack, I'm still waiting for Apple to implement an amplifier into the line-in jack instead of forcing me to use a USB headset or the built in microphone. The line-in jack is a useless piece of garbage at the moment.
Oops, I kind of missed that both.
You are right, though. Apple (and any other manufacturer who wants decent integrated graphics) is really in a bind thanks to that Intel vs. nVidia lawsuit. The options come down to: 1) Use core iX procs with crappy Intel graphics, 2) Use Core 2 procs with the Nvidia graphics, or 3) Use iX procs with dedicated graphics, which would jack up the price.
In the case of the 13" notebooks, #3 isn't even an option, since that would need a major redesign.
The only thing keeping these processors down is the mac pro. So if the mac pro update come out first, which it almost has to at this point, you will then have a pretty good idea of what cpu's will most likely show up in the imac refresh. Te need to keep a bit of a performance spread which was encroached upon with the last top end imac release.
I've been waiting for this refresh for a while. I'm not expecting much by way of upgrade, but there's usually an ok combination of improved performance and price break, so that's what I'm looking for.
I queued up 4 Blu Ray rips for encoding in Handbrake last night on my current iMac - generating an HD and SD version of each, so that's 8 output files. As of this morning, it was just starting on the first encode of the second movie. I need an i7!!
I queued up 4 Blu Ray rips for encoding in Handbrake last night on my current iMac - generating an HD and SD version of each, so that's 8 output files. As of this morning, it was just starting on the first encode of the second movie. I need an i7!!
Wishing but not betting
Despite the (apparent) sizable numbers of Apple users longing for a matte display, Apple's steadfast refusal to do so remains a mystery to me.
So while an option for same would be welcome (for me), I won't be betting on it.
Despite the (apparent) sizable numbers of Apple users longing for a matte display, Apple's steadfast refusal to do so remains a mystery to me.
So while an option for same would be welcome (for me), I won't be betting on it.
You really should ask for one or two FIS-capable port-multiplier eSATA ports.
A standard eSATA port can connect one drive (or one RAID array that appears as a single drive on a single eSATA port).
A port multiplier port can connect up to five drives (any or all of which may be multi-drive RAID units). It can only send commands to one drive at a time, though, so the performance can be poor.
An FIS-capable eSATA port can connect up to 5 drives, but it can access them simultaneously (up to the 3.0Gbps performance of the link).
Info on FIS here: http://www.serialata.org/technology/port_multipliers.asp
Example 1-to-5 external FIS eSATA hub:
There also are many enclosures available with built-in hubs. I have several of the Sans Digital hot-swap 5 drive systems:
eSATA is more useful for higher bandwidth large drives which anyway draw too much power for 1394/USB connections - so in practice this isn't a real hassle. Use your 1394/USB ports for those portable drives based on low-power laptop drives.
You can also get a cheap 2.5" case with eSATA for data and a separate USB connector for power. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...182181&cm_re=esata_usb-_-17-182-181-_-Product
Good one lol, I don't what's funnier your post or those taking you seriously!
2560 x 1440 resolution is junk? Only 27" external monitor I know of that's 2560 x 1440 is the NEC and in the $1400 price range.
I think the price will increase
Yes, it definitely will... Look at the price increase with the uniboday spring Mac minis 2010.
Cool another MAC thread, I'm impressed!!!!!
Although it's hilarious with some of you. Apple just can't win with some people! Some complain that Apple doesn't update their computers fast enough. While others are complaining that Apple updates their computers too fast. I mean you can NOT have it both ways!
For me, I'm perfectly happy with my 2007 MBP and my 2009 iMac. HOWEVER I still want Apple to upgrade their computer lineup every seven months or so. Because to me that shows that they still care about their computers.
Although it's hilarious with some of you. Apple just can't win with some people! Some complain that Apple doesn't update their computers fast enough. While others are complaining that Apple updates their computers too fast. I mean you can NOT have it both ways!
For me, I'm perfectly happy with my 2007 MBP and my 2009 iMac. HOWEVER I still want Apple to upgrade their computer lineup every seven months or so. Because to me that shows that they still care about their computers.
the october 2009 iMac refresh was a killer deal in it's day. it was even a decent deal once the real i5 CPU's were released
if you look at PC prices today you are paying a huge premium. last year iMac's were cheaper than Dell/HP once you configured them with similar specs
It'd definitely make an impact with anything close to the size of Cypress.
28 nm keeps getting pushed back as well.
MCP79A can be replaced with HM55 with discrete graphics in the 21.5" iMac. There is a model with discrete graphics already.
This is because there's no arc to Apple's pricing structure. Every product's price is a flat line from introduction to cessation of that iteration. This is why you get the issue you describe, and also why every product refresh is immediately followed by people wailing about how they just bought [insert name of recently refreshed product here] and I could've got [select which appropriate] the same thing cheaper / a better thing for the same price.
Cheap dedicated GPU are really cheap, perhaps as cheap as the 320m. Their only drawbacks are heat and space, which as you have pointed out are a problem for the MBP13. But I don't think that should be an issue with the iMac 21.
There's absolutely no reason or logical explanation to stick with Core 2 on iMacs.
I don't think heat and space are a problem with the iMac, but I think Apple wants to keep integrated graphics on the low-end iMacs to keep the price down. If they introduce dedicated graphics on the low-end model, look for the price to go up. If they keep dedicated graphics, look for them to stick with the Core 2 and the 320/330m.
this is why their market share will hit a peak soon. even MS haters that i know still buy PC's because they can't get over the price of a Mac and what you get for that price. especially these days
even the whole virus thing is overblown. i work near our help desk and the tiny percentage of the usual suspects create most of their work