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Yes this really surprised me. Unquestionably a step backward.

This new MacBook Pro looks to have absorbed a lot of traits of the consumer-level MacBook. Worrisome for a Mac that shouldn't be considered consumer-level.

I'm disappointed to see "MacBook Pro" there too, but because I was hoping that this was going to be a really radical refresh which would kill off all of the MacBook Airs and MacBook "Pros", and slim it down to 12, 14 and 16 inch "MacBooks", running Apple designed ARM processors. Yes, I realise I'm probably dreaming here.

Buyers would be free to muscle them up with BTO versions with more RAM, faster processors and larger SSDs to satisfy their hunger for something "Pro" if they wanted. I've done this with my 11 MBAs in the past.

Frankly I think this looks like a total bore, certainly not radical enough to justify that "hello again" event invitation. Unless there is very substantial change inside...
 
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does it need to be part of an ARM chip

Come on now is this a legitimate question or are you trying to bring up the ARM thing again?

There appears to be the ability for ARM to have a memory block which is only accessible by the base OS and then another part which is open for other general OS activity. Is this where your trusted data is stored? I'm not sure, but since Apple is making their own ARM chips for iOS who knows if it's part of the motherboard chip set. IFixIt will probably have a tear down of the MBP in a few weeks.

Here's a diagram of the stack from the ARM people:

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ifixit iPhone 7 teardown:

https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/iPhone+7+Teardown/67382
 
The keyboard on the Macbook isn't good. However i'm in love with the new magic keyboard. I think it's the best keyboard i've used other than mechanical keyboards. I thought both keyboards use the butterfly mechanism but the magic keyboard just feels so good.

I agree the Magic Keyboard is nice. It uses a traditional scissor mechanism rather than the butterfly one found on the MacBook.
 
I love the idea of having the touch id on the Mac, but a little concerned that it is both that and the power button. Since it isn't a real button, I wonder if there will be a lot of repairs on the OLED touch bar.
 
The keyboard on the Macbook isn't good. However i'm in love with the new magic keyboard. I think it's the best keyboard i've used other than mechanical keyboards. I thought both keyboards use the butterfly mechanism but the magic keyboard just feels so good.

The butterfly mechanism itself isn't pure evil. With adequate key travel it can be comfortable to some, especially if they aren't touch typists, and haven't spent years typing on mechanical typewriters and mechanical switch computer keyboards. This is especially true if they mostly type small amounts of text a day, as opposed to pages and pages of text for things such as invoices, purchase orders, call reports, etc.

This is such a personal preference thing, I'm shocked that Apple doesn't make the KB style/mechanism/travel a BTO option, and just make the MBP thick enough to accommodate either KB style. Guess the laptop anorexia is more important that what many customers actually want/need in a computer?
 
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Please don't ONLY put USB on it... or we all will have to pack a ton of dongles again. I HATE dongles. :(
 
I can't follow all the MR threads and hold down a job, so excuse me if I missed something... But I'm still not sure I understand. You haven't used this product yet, so how can you declare it's going to kill your productivity to the point you're threatening to switch to another OS? Maybe you'll get used to it really quickly and it won't be a big deal. Maybe they've engineered and implemented this thing in a way you haven't considered yet. Here's a thought — let's all use it, THEN complain about it.

I agree. I'm an old-timer, my first Mac was a Classic, and I've had most of the laptops including the Macintosh Portable and my beloved PowerBook G4. Every one of them was greeted with skepticism and criticism that they were not everything they should be. Then, when a new one came out, people waxed poetic about their old laptops.

I'm just saying hang in there, don't panic, you'll most likely love it. I'm sure I will.
 
You can see the "ESC" button, just that it says "Cancel" which is what escape usually does. The fn button seems to be there at the bottom, so that will do something.
That's probably a virtual button, given the context of the Apple Pay transaction on the screen. I have no doubt that apps like Vim will invoke the virtual Esc key if the API is there.
 
Why wouldn't you just buy the appropriate cables?

Considering this is a forum where we discuss cutting edge tech I'm surprised at just how many people don't get USB-C yet.

This. One port to rule them all. Device doesn't have that cable right now? Either replace the cable if it it's replaceable or put a small adapter on it. 2 years time this will be a forgotten "issue" and things will be much simpler because everything will simply be USB-C. Power? USB-C. Video? USB-C. Storage? USB-C
 
This. One port to rule them all. Device doesn't have that cable right now? Either replace the cable if it it's replaceable or put a small adapter on it. 2 years time this will be a forgotten "issue" and things will be mich simpler because everything will simply be USB-C

Yup. They are a bit expensive at the moment, particularly USB-C to HDMI but they'll soon be ten a penny just like USB "printer cables" which also cost a fortune back in the day.

I guess a lot of folks weren't around when USB first came out, possibly the single best thing to happen to modern computing.
 
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Not for me, thanks. The keyboard is terrible and the OLED bar is a pointless gimmick.

Stephen Fry: It could be said that the two most influential Britons of the past 30 years are Tim Berners-Lee, who invented the World Wide Web, and you who've given us the iPod and all the train of Apple products. Yet you both choose to live and work in America. I wonder if that says something about Britain or, more importantly, about America?

Jony Ive: There's just a conspicuous lack of cynicism and skepticism, and ideas are so fragile, aren't they? It's so easy to miss an idea because they can be so quiet, to snuff an idea out. I think that the sense of inquisitiveness, the willingness to try is so important for design, for development.

You haven't tried the keyboard. We don't know anywhere near the complete functionality of the OLED bar. Let's try them before dismissing them.
 
Stephen Fry: It could be said that the two most influential Britons of the past 30 years are Tim Berners-Lee, who invented the World Wide Web, and you who've given us the iPod and all the train of Apple products. Yet you both choose to live and work in America. I wonder if that says something about Britain or, more importantly, about America?

Jony Ive: There's just a conspicuous lack of cynicism and skepticism, and ideas are so fragile, aren't they? It's so easy to miss an idea because they can be so quiet, to snuff an idea out. I think that the sense of inquisitiveness, the willingness to try is so important for design, for development.

You haven't tried the keyboard. We don't know anywhere near the complete functionality of the OLED bar. Let's try them before dismissing them.

I don't know if the keyboard is different from the Macbook but as for now, I like the Macbook Retina's keyboard. It is smoother, faster and less noisy.
 
Maybe ESC is where the FN key was if it isn't on the new bar....

Hmm. That would be yay for a real escape key, nay for accidentally hitting it while using Control.
[doublepost=1477456181][/doublepost]Perhaps if you pick the MBP up and shake it, that'll function like an escape key..
 
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