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All these new products remind me of each iteration of Star Wars release.

We had the original Star Wars trilogy, and it was good. Everybody love it, it was clean, functional, and great bang for the buck.

Then Lucas (Tim) came along, and decided to tinker with the original. Lucas (Tim) started to add unnecessary things to the original, and changed what the purpose of the original was.

"But Lucas!" (Tim) the fans cried. "We liked the originals better! They we're enjoyable and practical!"

And Lucas (Tim) shook his head and said "The originals were never my true vision, I just lacked the technology at the time to fully realize my design"

And so as the years went by, with each re-release, more was taken away and replaced with shiny new gimmicks, which lured the new and the weak of mind, while the core fanbase was left behind...
 
Why are people complaining about the escape key. I didn't even know macs had an escape key. I had to take a look at my Mac and was surprised to see one.

Btw I've been using Macs since 09.

The only thing I'm worried about is the lack of ports, cause Ill most likely buy the 128gb model but have an external hard drive for additional storage. Not sure how I feel about buying an additional adapter for my USB 3 devices.

Didn't even 'know' macs had an escape key!?!? Right there you completed discredited yourself.

If you're so unbeliveably unobservant that you didn't even know macs had an escape key, no one should ever listen to anything you ever say.
 
I'm sad that they went back to the "MacBook Pro" text. It looked cleaner before, like an iPhone.

Also, that keyboard looks suspiciously thin. I'm getting anxiety just looking at it.

i was so used to seeing the "macbook Pro" label that it felt weird when i got my early 2013 rMBP and it didn't have it.
 
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Which can be discerned from a picture. No details about the fan design or layout required. No benefit from going to a smaller CPU process. I saw a picture of a case so I can tell it's "thermally crippled"

gimme a break. If we know anything about this Tim Cook Apple: EVERY goddam iteration of everything they make has to be thinner ... and more limited. It's what they've been doing for 4-5 years now. So it's not a stretch that this next model will be the worst example yet of their quest for thinness at the expense of everything else.
 
Why are people complaining about the escape key. I didn't even know macs had an escape key? I had to take a look at my Mac and was surprised to see one. Btw I've been using Macs since 09.
Without words ...
The only thing I'm worried about is the lack of ports, cause I'll most likely buy the 128gb model but have an external hard drive for additional storage. Not sure how I feel about buying an additional adapter for my USB 3 devices.
Then don't buy an adapter, buy the right cable.​

 
gimme a break. You know one thing about this version of Apple: EVERY goddam iteration of everything they make has to be thinner ... and more limited. It's what they've been doing for 4-5 years now. So it's not a stretch that this next model will be the worst example yet of their quest for thinness at the expense of everything else.

The current Macbook Pro was thinner and lighter than the previous one but also faster and in no way "thermally crippled". You're talking absolute nonsense.

Have the iPads gotten slower or worse in thermals since they've got thinner then? Nope. The iPhones maybe? Nope. Garbage and you should be embarassed to post it.
 
The inclusion of Touch ID is nice. It's well after PC competitors included fingerprint scanning, but Apple is still ahead with actually using fingerprint scanning for anything other than logging in (MS needs to add the equivalent of Apple Pay, as well as APIs to allow 3rd party Apps to use fingerprint scanning to authenticate users to meet Touch ID functionality. That being said, Windows Hello is a much nicer authentication system, though possibly not as secure).

However, the OLED touch bar is little more than a gimmick. How is this even close to being as nice as the entire screen being touch sensitive is beyond me. And the context sensitivity means that I cannot use F keys without looking. I need to be concerned with what the active state of the OLED bar is.

Finally, lack of F keys has pretty much eliminated the MBP as a work machine for me. This means I cannot remote into a windows machine and use the F keys anymore (Apple may possibly display soft F keys, but that would probably be a terrible experience compared to real keys).

And that was before the RSI inducing butterfly keyboard. Ugh, what's up with Apple and terrible non-trackpad input devices (with the only exception possibly being the chiclet keyboard on laptops).
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The current Macbook Pro was thinner and lighter than the previous one but also faster and in no way "thermally crippled". You're talking absolute nonsense.

Have the iPads gotten slower or worse in thermals since they've got thinner then? Nope. The iPhones maybe? Nope. Garbage and you should be embarassed to post it.

Most Apple products in the past few years thermal throttle like crazy. Not just their laptops, but even the iMac thermal throttles.

I don't know about the MBP, but I wouldn't be surprised if that did as well.
 
The current Macbook Pro was thinner and lighter than the previous one but also faster and in no way "thermally crippled". You're talking absolute nonsense.

Have the iPads gotten slower or worse in thermals since they've got thinner then? Nope. The iPhones maybe? Nope. Garbage and you should be embarassed to post it.

You have no idea how much extra power, and battery life apple could give their products if they weren't excessively thin - BECAUSE YOU'VE NEVER SEEN IT.

You accept what they give you ... and can't imagine the incredible potential lost because they insist on making every single product (even if they call it "PRO") so thin that it can't reach it's real potential.

You belive in nonsense if you disagree.
 
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The inclusion of Touch ID is nice. It's well after PC competitors included fingerprint scanning, but Apple is still ahead with actually using fingerprint scanning for anything other than logging in (MS needs to add the equivalent of Apple Pay, as well as APIs to allow 3rd party Apps to use fingerprint scanning to authenticate users to meet Touch ID functionality. That being said, Windows Hello is a much nicer authentication system, though possibly not as secure).

However, the OLED touch bar is little more than a gimmick. How is this even close to being as nice as the entire screen being touch sensitive is beyond me. And the context sensitivity means that I cannot use F keys without looking. I need to be concerned with what the active state of the OLED bar is.

Finally, lack of F keys has pretty much eliminated the MBP as a work machine for me. This means I cannot remote into a windows machine and use the F keys anymore (Apple may possibly display soft F keys, but that would probably be a terrible experience compared to real keys).

And that was before the RSI inducing butterfly keyboard. Ugh, what's up with Apple and terrible non-trackpad input devices (with the only exception possibly being the chiclet keyboard on laptops).
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Most Apple products in the past few years thermal throttle like crazy. Not just their laptops, but even the iMac thermal throttles.

I don't know about the MBP, but I wouldn't be surprised if that did as well.

Yep, horrible for people that touch type.
 
Yeah but why assume that there's not a mode in which your esc and function keys are all present? It's a contextual keyboard, and I seriously doubt they're not going to provide a way to do that easily and only have Apple Pay and Black as the two options.

I realize it's a long comment thread so it's understandable that you missed my posts that already addressed this. Here's the gist: a physical ESC key is quite different from a virtual key. For someone like me who uses ESC very frequently and who has already mapped caps lock to CTRL, it would be a pretty significant blow to my productivity. Significant enough, in fact, that I would seriously have to consider switching back to linux.
 
Most Apple products in the past few years thermal throttle like crazy. Not just their laptops, but even the iMac thermal throttles.

Every computer throttles. It's even a feature of modern Intel CPUs, bursting in Turbo Mode until the thermals cannot accommodate it. The fact that they say something like "2.2Ghz boosts to 3.4Ghz" is a thin disguise for "3.4Ghz for short times until it gets too hot"

You have no idea how much extra power, and battery life apple could give their products if they weren't excessively thin - BECAUSE YOU'VE NEVER SEEN IT.

You accept what they give you ... and can't imagine the incredible potential lost because they insist on making every single product (even if they call it "PRO") so thin that it can't reach it's real potential.

You belive in nonsense if you disagree.

Yes, everything should stay the same size and weight as a 90's laptop so it can reach it's "incredible potential" :rolleyes: Utterly moronic. More efficient CPUs built on smaller processes have accommodated lighter and thinner laptops since laptops were "luggables". It's not stopping any time soon.
 
I realize it's a long comment thread so it's understandable that you missed my posts that already addressed this. Here's the gist: a physical ESC key is quite different from a virtual key. For someone like me who uses ESC very frequently and who has already mapped caps lock to CTRL, it would be a pretty significant blow to my productivity. Significant enough, in fact, that I would seriously have to consider switching back to linux.

Please explain the working differences. No sarcasm intended, actually interested to know.
 
All these new products remind me of each iteration of Star Wars release.

We had the original Star Wars trilogy, and it was good. Everybody love it, it was clean, functional, and great bang for the buck.

Then Lucas (Tim) came along, and decided to tinker with the original. Lucas (Tim) started to add unnecessary things to the original, and changed what the purpose of the original was.

"But Lucas!" (Tim) the fans cried. "We liked the originals better! They we're enjoyable and practical!"

And Lucas (Tim) shook his head and said "The originals were never my true vision, I just lacked the technology at the time to fully realize my design"

And so as the years went by, with each re-release, more was taken away and replaced with shiny new gimmicks, which lured the new and the weak of mind, while the core fanbase was left behind...

First world problems.
 
The Magic Toolbar will be a fail... because it can't work without developer support... and what website or app developer is going to create an additional version of their website/app to cater for a small percentage of high-end Macs?

I believe that Apple should spend their time working to improve their excellent (but under-featured) iCloud suite of apps... and demolishing and rebuilding their appalling desktop apps for the Mac... starting with Mail.

After reflexion. I think that Magic Toolbar will keep a default fonction keys if it not receives a notification from the active window. So if the application doesn't support the Magic Toolbar, this last will show a normal function keys keyboard.
 
Please explain the working differences. No sarcasm intended, actually interested to know.

Try typing fast on a physical keyboard. Then go try typing fast on a virtual keyboard on, say, an iPad. You'll see the difference. It's hard to explain why, but tactile feedback makes typing much more efficient.
 
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The biggest want for me is a space grey version. Has there been any hints on that?

All this new stuff looks great, Especially the fingerprint reader!
 
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