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Here's my card, Apple.

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*Apple employee*... "Not today, your card has expired. Sorry sir."
 
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Nope, never has been. 'Pro' or 'Professional' user is just a made up term and means nothing. Everyone is a 'user' with their own specific needs.

Can anyone define what a 'Pro' user even is? Some people believe it means someone who requires a powerful machine to do their work or it may refer to content creators. Ultimately, it really means nothing and it's embarrassing that people still use this nonsense term.

There are some lunatics out there who still think the MacBook Pro and Mac Pro are machines designed specifically for the 'Pro' users out there. I don't know what these people are on, but I'd like to try some of what they are having.

Refreshing to read logic such as this. Although I use an iMac as my main machine, I've a 2012 11" MacBook Air which I travel with (perfect size and weight) to do rough image edits on the road (despite it not having an SD slot), backup files to external SSD, take to talks to run keynote presentations (despite it not having a HDMI port) and have written a ton of articles on it. Until now, it has been my ideal 'Pro' machine because it suited my requirements better than any other laptop could.

That's now changed and I'll need a little more grunt, so the only thing I really hope for the new rMBP is that it has significant weight reduction so I can gain that extra power without compromising excessively on the ease of portability of the Air, especially when it's in my camera bag which is already heavy.

And as for using dongles for USB-C? Hardly an inconvenience for me to add a small cable to the end of another cable whilst I wait for manufacturers to catch up. And actually, I've had my eye on a external SSD to use as my working Lightroom catalogue for quite some time now but to get the fastest speeds out of it I needed USB-C, so I'll finally be able to pick that up too (when the new iMac arrives).

To each their own of course. What is insignificant for one isn't for another but I guess my point really is that one users experience is not the same as the next, so blanket statements about 'Pro' needs based off personal experiences are just silly (in many cases). Or to put it another way, what Steve said.
 
Yeah...but here's the problem. I have a 2013 MacBook and there isn't a single thing wrong with it. It's just as fast as it was on the day I got it...it's crash-free and I still like the way it looks.

So...what about people like me?

Damn you Apple.

Damn you to hell.

ROFL - so true :)
 
It's probably a meaning for people who use a lot of memory and storage for things like video editing, especially on programs like Final Cut Pro X and Adobe Photoshop After Effects and so on.
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I'm sorry but you don't know if it's going to be "that gimmick" of a magic tool bar, Apple haven't announced the new laptops yet.
True, that's why I made it a conditional statement until after the even when we can pass our judgement, which I'm sure you've noticed ;)
 
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macOS Sierra 10.12.1, released yesterday, includes hidden Apple Pay images that depict the brand new MacBook Pro with an OLED touch panel that's set to be announced by Apple on Thursday, October 27.

In addition to confirming that such a product is in the works, the images give us our first full look at the redesigned MacBook Pro ahead of its launch. An OLED touch panel is located on top of the keyboard, where the function keys would normally be placed, and it very clearly supports Touch ID, as it is seen used with Apple Pay.

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As has been rumored, the touch panel, which may be called the "Magic Toolbar," appears to be contextual, changing based on what's on the screen. In the images, Apple Pay dialog is depicted, asking a customer to confirm a purchase with a finger on the panel. It appears Touch ID is built into a nearly-invisible power button located next to the display.

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Aside from the OLED touch panel, the new MacBook Pro looks similar in design to the existing models. It looks like the 13-inch MacBook Pro is used in the images, suggesting the machine will gain speakers located at the side of the keyboard.

Thickness can't be determined from the orientation of the MacBook Pro in the images, but rumors suggest the new machine is thinner and lighter weight than existing models. A redesigned hinge can be seen in the images, suggesting it is indeed quite a bit thinner. Also visible are much flatter keys, similar in design to the keys of the Retina MacBook, which use a new butterfly mechanism.

Ports are not visible, but based on past part leaks, we're expecting four USB-C ports and a headphone jack, with the HDMI port, MagSafe port, and SD card slot being eliminated.

Apple will announce the new MacBook Pro on Thursday, October 27 at 10:00 a.m. A new MacBook Air model is also expected, and new iMacs are a possibility. MacRumors will provide live coverage of the event both on MacRumors.com and on the MacRumorsLive Twitter account.

(Thanks, Richard!)

Article Link: Images of New MacBook Pro With Magic Toolbar Leaked in macOS Sierra 10.12.1
[doublepost=1477484463][/doublepost]"Ports are not visible, but based on past part leaks, we're expecting four USB-C ports and a headphone jack, with the HDMI port, MagSafe port, and SD card slot being eliminated."

Sigh. Honestly, I think I've bought my last Mac. I rely on HDMI, SD Card slot and I am not going to spend more $$$ to buy adapters. Apple, please stop removing everything!!! So frustrating.
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ROFL - so true :)

Yeah and you still have the HDMI port, MagSafe port, and SD card slot. Stupid Apple keeps removing things I rely on. What to buy next?
 
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... I really don't like it when people who have a chronic aversion to change call themselves "pro" by default.
I don't like when people think that change is automatically for the better. If a change is not an improvement, it's just an annoyance. If someone went and renamed the street which I live on, I'd find the change quite annoying.
 
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The MB doesn't have any more room. They gave them just enough travel to make them usable. Also I'm sure they've heard the countless complaints about the keyboard. The MBP is thicker, so they have some more room to work with.

Pure speculation on your part :). I have a similar thought process but nothing will surprise me anymore. Let's hope we're both right.
 
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Stop with the "pro" definitions, who gives a ****. Let's just agree, that there should be at least one computer in the lineup, that's not castrated of everything useful.
 
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What if, just what if, the word "professional" is refering to the use of professional softwares..? You might be an audio ameteur but the softwares are not... Wouldn't you agree that professional softwares can usually benefit from more powerful hardware? And since these softwares are designed for real professionals in mind, wouldn't calling it a pro machine be adequate?
And then you see Sony call their machine Ps4 Pro....

What's the definition of a "professional" software?? That's just a made up term too. I use the "pro" versions of JetBrains compilers every day on an rMB. They run fine.
 
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Wow. Don't have to go looking for hardware leaks in a pub anymore. Just look through Apple's own software.

I'd say this was a deliberate 'leak' by apple. This refresh has been a long time coming and there are some 'huge' expectations out there. Since the overall aesthetic design is still pretty similar I'd say they're prepping the field and getting everyone familiar with the look a few days in advance. That way on launch day there is less of a let down for people/press who were expecting a whole new unibody and let's them focus their message more on internals, magic bar and other new additions.

(and come on, we live in an age where a 10 year old can crack open the latest Hearthstone patch and tell me what's coming up... bit naive to think Apple left these nice glossy publicity images in the os update by mistake...)
 
Not sure if some one has mentioned this but the first pic looks as if the letters are lower down on each key compared to the second pic???
 
The industry has roughly been following Mark Weiser's vision he formulated at XEROX PARC about ubiquitous computing. Ive has been going on about the devices "disappearing" and allowing the "content" to fully present itself, it's just rephrasing parts of Weiser's idea from a product design point of view.
Looking at Apples portfolio from this angle, there is no reason for a regular desktop monitor or the iMac to be as chunky as they currently are (iPad, MacBook) and being separate devices in the first place. iPads, iMacs and Cinema displays should all be just the same device in different sizes.
Furthermore there is no reason to carry so much computing horse power around with my iPhone and not being able to use it as my portable computing device doing lightweight productivity work. M$ is leading this train of though a at the moment, but I'd like to see Apples version of this vision.

To be as groundbreaking as the "hello again" reference implies, then I would wish for at least one of these scenarios happening:
  • ARM powered MacBooks in 3 sizes replacing the current Air line up – opening the path of iOS and OSX unification.
  • A MacMini in the size of a dongle as a cheap-ish entry gateway into the Mac eco system OR...
  • ...The iPhone running OSX when connected to a display and Keyboard
  • A cinema display with Macbook internals that doubles as an iMac for your typical MS office warrior.
  • A significantly upgraded MacPro...
Let's wait and see...
 
I'd say this was a deliberate 'leak' by apple. This refresh has been a long time coming and there are some 'huge' expectations out there. Since the overall aesthetic design is still pretty similar I'd say they're prepping the field and getting everyone familiar with the look a few days in advance. That way on launch day there is less of a let down for people/press who were expecting a whole new unibody and let's them focus their message more on internals, magic bar and other new additions.

(and come on, we live in an age where a 10 year old can crack open the latest Hearthstone patch and tell me what's coming up... bit naive to think Apple left these nice glossy publicity images in the os update by mistake...)
You never know with these things but I had a similar thought. And if it is deliberate it's a nice 'leak'. I would really like to see side on shots though just to confirm some of the things we've heard. :)
 
Hope they will lower prices a little bit or go bigger with specs like more RAM and bigger SSD for the same old price.
But I will always say that removing mag-safe technology is dumb. And SD card reader, too. And HDMI, too... bah... let's see if the long long long wait is worth. For the toolbar I think it's nice and it will be nicer if you could customize as you want for different software use. :)
 
The industry has roughly been following Mark Weiser's vision he formulated at XEROX PARC about ubiquitous computing. Ive has been going on about the devices "disappearing" and allowing the "content" to fully present itself, it's just rephrasing parts of Weiser's idea from a product design point of view.
Looking at Apples portfolio from this angle, there is no reason for a regular desktop monitor or the iMac to be as chunky as they currently are (iPad, MacBook) and being separate devices in the first place. iPads, iMacs and Cinema displays should all be just the same device in different sizes.
Furthermore there is no reason to carry so much computing horse power around with my iPhone and not being able to use it as my portable computing device doing lightweight productivity work. M$ is leading this train of though a at the moment, but I'd like to see Apples version of this vision.

To be as groundbreaking as the "hello again" reference implies, then I would wish for at least one of these scenarios happening:
  • ARM powered MacBooks in 3 sizes replacing the current Air line up – opening the path of iOS and OSX unification.
  • A MacMini in the size of a dongle as a cheap-ish entry gateway into the Mac eco system OR...
  • ...The iPhone running OSX when connected to a display and Keyboard
  • A cinema display with Macbook internals that doubles as an iMac for your typical MS office warrior.
  • A significantly upgraded MacPro...
Let's wait and see...

I tend to agree. There is a certain degree here of brag rights going on. Everyone wants to claim their machine is the most powerful etc. Outside those working on use data stores or video that horsepower is not needed.

The ports question is an interesting one; are all the ports needed? and by having them installed take away from lightness or size of the machine?
 
[doublepost=1477484463][/doublepost]"Ports are not visible, but based on past part leaks, we're expecting four USB-C ports and a headphone jack, with the HDMI port, MagSafe port, and SD card slot being eliminated."

Sigh. Honestly, I think I've bought my last Mac. I rely on HDMI, SD Card slot and I am not going to spend more $$$ to buy adapters. Apple, please stop removing everything!!! So frustrating.
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Yeah and you still have the HDMI port, MagSafe port, and SD card slot. Stupid Apple keeps removing things I rely on. What to buy next?

It will be ok champ. Stick with your current MacBook until the rest of the industry catches up.

Imagine switching to windows 10.... now that would take some courage.
 
I don't like when people think that change is automatically for the better. If a change is not an improvement, it's just an annoyance. If someone went and renamed the street which I live on, I'd find the change quite annoying.

What's also annoying is writing post after post (after post) complaining about things that we still don't have any official word on. We get it. You want it to remain completely unchanged but still be revolutionary at the same time. And you want a top tier Mac Pro stuffed into a MacBook body for it to be considered a "Pro" device.
 
I hope they ditched AMD for Nvidia this round ... mobile GTX 1060 is crazy fast
Keep dreaming. I have a sneaking suspicion they may eliminate dGPUs completely in their quest for thinness! If they do go with a GPU, all we can hope for is an AMD m460 which looks to be around a 950M in performance.
 
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What if, just what if, the word "professional" is refering to the use of professional softwares..? You might be an audio ameteur but the softwares are not... Wouldn't you agree that professional softwares can usually benefit from more powerful hardware? And since these softwares are designed for real professionals in mind, wouldn't calling it a pro machine be adequate?
And then you see Sony call their machine Ps4 Pro....

Word, XL and Outlook must be the 3 most professional pieces of software as they are on just about every professionals computer. They run fine on my MacBook.

Pro doesn't mean professional. It's a marketing term. The MacBook Pro is not a signifier of professionals. The MacBook Air is not made of Air.
 
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... I really don't like it when people who have a chronic aversion to change call themselves "pro" by default.

Maybe it's 'pro-folks' as in, folks who use a Macbook Pro.

Seriously, does everyone in this forum have nothing better to do than bitch about people calling themselves "Pro" or not? It's just a name for a product. Macbook is a low end (specs wise) machine for light to moderate work and the Macbook Pro is a higher specced machine for heavier lifting. And they've chosen the name Pro. What's the big deal?
 
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