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There are few devices I know of that support USB 4.0 or Thunderbolt 3.0. Even 20 Gbps is sufficient for most data transfer needs.
The MacBook Pro, Mac Studio and Mac Pro all have Thunderbolt 4 ports. The MacBook Air only advertises its ports as USB4/Thunderbolt 3, though.

The specs are somewhat meaningless here though if you aren't manufacturing cables or devices. As a consumer, you should use a 40 Gbps cable to connect two 40Gbps devices - and you're going 40Gpbs.

The issue is that nobody is using the USB marks here, and there's not much else to help you troubleshoot slowness when the marks aren't on the devices/cables.
 
From usb2 to usb4 (thunderbolt) in one generation?! To me, if true, this proves apple was unnecessarily throttling the connectivity of iPhone.
Lightning is an accessory device and charging cable connector. There has never been a higher speed lightning cable on the market.

Apple is _way_ more conservative about cabling than the USB-IF, which is why there are only two 'kinds' of certified lightning cables on the market after 10 years - USB-A to lightning and USB-C to lightning. There are no other data speed or charging rate qualifiers.

Even USB-C charging cables (AFAIK 90+% of what are manufactured) only support usb 2.0 speeds. This is because they can be made dramatically cheaper and also more pliable.

I don't think Apple ever intended to have lightning support higher data rate cabling. The shift to higher data rates is the shift to USB-C, as we've already seen on iPads for years.
 
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I stand corrected, interestingly, it seems many are only getting 480Mbps when using compliant cables with the S23. Oddly the person who was able to show faster than USB 2.0 speeds with an S23 was using an Apple Thunderbolt cable connected to a MacBook. A similar issue is present on the Google Pixel 7 Pro which also claims USB 3.2.

Although it does look like most Android phones are still using 2.0 and those that claim USB 3.x spec aren’t always capable of the speed and seem to just be taking advantage of the fast charging features of the spec.

The USB-C spec is a total mess says Android Authority and I think most would agree. I guess we’ll see if Apple can simplify things for their customers. I know I love the idea of using my iPhone as a video monitor.
USB 3.2 is not a speed. It is a specification - it expanded USB 3.0 with new sections that say how you can optionally build devices, cabling and accessories that go faster. There are marks, like "USB 40 Gbps" to put on packaging/labelling and on cable connectors to say "I can go this fast if everything else supports it". Obviously, nobody uses these.

This is similar to how HDMI 2.1 isn't a feature. It is a specification that describes how you can do a bunch of things in an interoperable manner if both sides support it, like VRR. People get pissed at HDMI about this, but it is really manufacturers profiting off of chaos - similar to how HDR doesn't actually say a minimum color quality or brightness, so there are HDR displays on the market with worse color than SDR displays sold 8 years ago. If manufacturers wanted either of these fixed, they are in the meeting room, holding the pen to change how the specifications are created and how certifications are done. I'm not holding my breath.

Likewise, USB-C has a minimum of 480 mbps for things like charging cables. "Compliant" charging cables will still just be 2.0 speed. Unless it came with a hard disk or display, any cable people have ever gotten included in a purchase or bought for cheap on amazon is 480mbps. There are even non-compliant cables that try to remove these data pins as a "security" feature - although to actually be secure, you can't support power delivery for faster charging either.
 
I just plugged my iPhone into my MBA. Then used Finder to drag a movie file to the VLC folder on the phone. I was able to play it on VLC.
That has been supported for a very, very long time - apps can basically expose "folders", and there's a bespoke protocol as part of backup to let a computer export and import files into those folders.

You can't connect an iPhone or iPad into a computer and get access to data within Files.app. Likewise, you can't run Files.app on device while connected to a mac and see say the hard disk or home folder.
 
Its Impressive charge 50% phone battery less than 10 minutes.. 15 minutes and it charged 70%. You dont care about saving battery anymore as it really fast charge..
When you say "dont care about saving battery", do you mean 'no longer need to try to make a charge last all day' or 'no longer care about whether the battery lasts more than 3 months before it needs replacement'?

120W charging speed would charge an iPhone in under 10 minutes if they didn't have to worry about heat dissipation or battery longevity. Fortunately, they worry quite a bit about both of those.
 
I get there would be a component level redesigned required, but that could have happened. At least USB 3.X.
For lightning? It did, on the 2017 iPad Pro models. However, higher speed lightning was only ever meant for accessories like their USB 3.1 camera connector dongle - they apparently had no intention of adding market confusion over 'charging' vs 'data' lightning cables.

They shifted after those models, and just went with USB-C on those devices.
 
Only the A17 Bionic is getting faster data transfer speeds. Last year's A16 SoC does not support USB 3 or 4, and it is rumored the A16 will be used in the non-pro iPhone 15.
Imagine if the 15 Pro got an M3 SoC instead! :p An M3 Mobile would look good in marketing even if it’s just an M3 with half the number of CPU and GPU cores much like the A15 was to the M2 and A14 to the M1.
 
It is pretty wild. I did a cursory look at Android phones and it appears even with the adoption of USB-C, every phone I looked at still uses USB 2.0 - even the brand new top of the line Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra.

Maybe Apple’s move will lead other manufacturers to follow suit because this is ridiculously overdue.
Kidding right ? S23U is transferring data in a proper USB 3.x speed.
 
Kidding right ? S23U is transferring data in a proper USB 3.x speed.
With a few caveats. The cable that comes with the S23U is USB 2.0 only (at least in certain markets), and the transfer speed is apparently restricted to lower speeds by default unless some settings are changed.
 
I still wished that the regular iPhone 15 supports USB 3.2 1x1 (5 Gbps Certified) connections and the iPhone 15 Pro models supports USB 3.2 2x2 (20 Gbps Certified) connections.
We all do.

Well, everyone except Apple and it’s shareholders.

USB-C on iPhone is like everything Apple does: You only get maximum value per dollar if you chose the “Pro” product.

The rest of the lineup is just there to sell you up and generate huge margins with increasingly lower value per dollar the less total amount you spend.

The mid-tier iPhones’ SoC moving to only getting fully upgraded every other year shows you what Apple wants from you for a genuinely new iPhone.

-It’s $999+ or bust!
 
We all do.

Well, everyone except Apple and it’s shareholders.

USB-C on iPhone is like everything Apple does: You only get maximum value per dollar if you chose the “Pro” product.

The rest of the lineup is just there to sell you up and generate huge margins with increasingly lower value per dollar the less total amount you spend.

The mid-tier iPhones’ SoC moving to only getting fully upgraded every other year shows you what Apple wants from you for a genuinely new iPhone.

-It’s $999+ or bust!
But given that USB 3.2 1x1 and USB 3.2 2x2 is getting increasingly commonly nowadays, Apple could easily implement USB 3.2 1x1 on iPhone 15 USB Type C port by just implementing the right features on the Broadcom I/O chipset.
 
Much more important than data speed, is charging speed. I see few topics talking about it.. Its Ridiculous charge 20w speed.. It should be at least 70w, or even 100w.. Cheap chinese phones charges 120w speed.. Its Impressive charge 50% phone battery less than 10 minutes.. 15 minutes and it charged 70%. You dont care about saving battery anymore as it really fast charge..
Great if you plan on replacing your battery once a year because fast charging kills your battery and FAST!
 
Lightning is an accessory device and charging cable connector. There has never been a higher speed lightning cable on the market.

Apple is _way_ more conservative about cabling than the USB-IF, which is why there are only two 'kinds' of certified lightning cables on the market after 10 years - USB-A to lightning and USB-C to lightning. There are no other data speed or charging rate qualifiers.

Even USB-C charging cables (AFAIK 90+% of what are manufactured) only support usb 2.0 speeds. This is because they can be made dramatically cheaper and also more pliable.

I don't think Apple ever intended to have lightning support higher data rate cabling. The shift to higher data rates is the shift to USB-C, as we've already seen on iPads for years.
In case you’re not aware lightning technically supports up to usb 3 speeds, see https://www.theverge.com/2015/11/13/9732454/apple-ipad-pro-usb-3-0-lightning-connector

This is from 2015! Apple has only offered usb2 on iPhone but the standard supports higher speeds and thus apple has clearly been throttling the usb transfer speed of iPhone.

I am glad they are finally moving on from usb2 on iPhone.
 
What I hope this open up is macOS on iPhone when connected to a Thunderbolt 5 80Gbps display with these I/O

- Thunderbolt 5 80Gbps
- 10Gbps Ethernet
- USB-A 10Gbps
- 3.5mm headphone jack

There are many many computer users whose use case is satisfied by Intel Macs. Next month's iPhone is likely faster than any Intel Mac made much less any PPC Mac.
 
I just plugged my iPhone into my MBA. Then used Finder to drag a movie file to the VLC folder on the phone. I was able to play it on VLC.
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It looks like going from the Phone to the Mac is possible ONLY for applications that have defined their files as “shareable”. Wired transfer is possible today, in both directions, for applications that support the feature. I can see how this would be a security feature as, if someone has access to ones phone connected to ones unlocked Mac, the data they can get to on the phone is limited.
 
15 years after the release of USB 3.0 in Nov 2008, we are finally getting an iPhone with data transfer speeds in excess of USB 2.0!
Lightning is USB 2.0.
And when was the last time you transferred data to your phone with USB/lightning.
I didn't connect my phone to MBP or PC in last 10 years.
So USB C/Thunderbolt, USB 3.0 just adds cost with out any benefits to customers.
if you just want to brag that you have thunderbolt on your phone sure it will help.
 
True.

They don't have give us top specs like Thunderbolt 3 or 4 but they also have to stop giving us bottom of the barrel USB2.0 speeds that they put in the iPad 10. It's not 2010 anymore. The least they can do is give us is USB 3.0 speeds.
USB 3.0 is not enough i need thunderbolt 5, 100 Gbps speeds at least, i transfer like 1 TB data from my phone to PC every day.
 
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I can't remember the last time I plugged my iOS device into a computer, probably 2010 or 2011?

This is probably great for people that use their iphone to shoot media for their businesses, etc.
useful to 0.001% of the people, and we all pay more money just to brag about it.
 
This is garbage reporting. It is almost certainly a USB4 port.

USB4, for those who don't know, is a completely new protocol by the USB Implementer's Forum. In their typical "stop using spec names rather than the marketing/certification names/marks" fashion, the full name is USB4 - i.e. USB4 version 2.0 is out.

Nearly all USB4 devices are compatible with USB 3.x and USB 2.x. Many devices are compatible with Thunderbolt 3, which is an independent protocol but was a big influence on USB4.

Thunderbolt 4 is now a certification by Intel on USB4. It requires the device to implement a bunch of optional functionality. This may include "Intel specific" features around MMPU as well; I haven't looked at it in a while.

Whether the implementation supports USB4 2.0, Thunderbolt 3, the other optional features making up Thunderbolt 4 - that all really depends on how widely Apple plans to use the A17 Bionic. So far it hasn't really mattered in the market; it would more be a function of whether Apple sees themselves wanting to use those features on iPhones or the base iPad models to connect to e.g. new studio displays.
This is garbage reporting. It is almost certainly a USB4 port.
USB 4.0 is not a port.
it is protocol.
USB C is the port.
 
It looks like going from the Phone to the Mac is possible ONLY for applications that have defined their files as “shareable”. Wired transfer is possible today, in both directions, for applications that support the feature. I can see how this would be a security feature as, if someone has access to ones phone connected to ones unlocked Mac, the data they can get to on the phone is limited.
A lot of data on iOS apps is stored in sqlite databases rather than as files so there are no files to see. It would be nice to have more transparent access to the full file system rather than the mediated interface but it can still be useful even with the limitations.
 
A lot of data on iOS apps is stored in sqlite databases rather than as files so there are no files to see. It would be nice to have more transparent access to the full file system rather than the mediated interface but it can still be useful even with the limitations.
So, the way the system is currently, one gets 100% access to the applications that store files for transfer back and forth, and no access to the DRM’d stuff (videos, music, etc.) and no access to the sqlite databases which wouldn’t be useful anyway. I’m guessing that’s likely the furthest Apple’s gonna go for anyone without a copy of Xcode. Which, for anyone tinkering, they’d have downloaded Xcode already anyway.
 
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