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In Case The Mac Pro Waiters Out There...
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Great call... I would actually like to see that... then again, you know how Apple is...
I can't figure Apple out, but I believe they do what is most profitable for Apple, but not necessarily what I want them to do. But I do believe they should do what is best for Apple because I'm probably not the typical person who buys from Apple.
Seriously?
They are successfully hacking PCs by installing Leopard.
I'll put money on it that someone can hack those Dells.
wha? you dont "hack" the pc so it can run leopard. you hack leopard so it runs on the pc. pretty easy to do. problems occur when updates come out and drivers dont really work for majority of hardware..
Is anyone else worried that the new Mac Pro would only be 2.66ghz with 8 cores instead of 4, an extra gig of ram, and a slightly better video card? Not much of a bump after 17 months if you ask me. I was hoping for 3ghz base but it seems I may be asking for too much after seeing these prices. What does everyone else think?
a) Dell offers a standard 3-year, on-site next business day warranty with their Precisions which is included in the price, extendable to same-day response. The phone support of the Precision range is excellent as well, with frequent follow-ups and updates.
b) It has fewer engineering issues, and of course the flexibility of hardware choice that the Windows ecosystem offers. It extends all the way from minor matters such as the drive carriers - they work better with 10K SATA drives, works with 15K SAS drives just fine and actually offers support for it, unlike Apple - all the way up to major matters such as overall reliability when the system is pushed to 100% utilisation.
Our Precisions have shown considerable more resilience than the Pros, which are - in my opinion - basically pseudo-workstations for undemanding designers. And when they go down, since we have the same-day warranty it's fixed by the next day: No need to shlep to the Apple Store and agnoise over it there. The Pros may be laid out like a workstation, but a Pro can't take the same beating as a Precision or HP XW. Prettiness may blind some - certainly it does here - but for people who actually buy workstations for a stated purpose, I'd say the result and how well it works is more important than how cool it looks under your desk where you hardly look at it.
Ideasman69, this is exactly what we've been trying to do. We run OS X software for some of the stuff and being peed off at the lack of reliability of the Pros, we've been looking into running Tiger on the Precisions for a while. However it's not as simple as the OSX86 guys would say, and it's only recently that we've got what we can call a reliable OSX installation for our use. Unfortunately a couple of days ago one of the guys came up against a software issue which doesn't occur on the Pro so it seems we have other problems to sort out.
Sesshi
Just out of interest, what are these terrible reliability issues that you've been having with the Mac Pros and not the Dells? It's news to me. I can't imagine anyone seriously considering running OSX on PC hardware in a production environment. Was that a joke?
Just out of interest, what are these terrible reliability issues that you've been having with the Mac Pros and not the Dells? It's news to me. I can't imagine anyone seriously considering running OSX on PC hardware in a production environment. Was that a joke?
It depends what you were hoping for by 3Ghz. If you wanted it so you could have a 3GHz machine as the base model, then at the moment yes you are asking too much. If you want a system that will perform like the old 3Ghz 8 core Mac Pro as the base model then that's possible as the likely replacement for the current base model is an 8 core 2.83GHz system.
If I may paraphrase from the film 'Tommy Boy'...
Rustus: "Here's the way I see it, Sesshi. Guy puts a fancy guarantee on a box 'cause he wants you to feel all warm and toasty inside."
Sesshi: "Yeah, it makes a man feel good."
Rustus: "Of course it does. Why shouldn't it? You figure you put that little box under your pillow at night, the guarantee fairy might come by and leave a quarter, am I right, Sesshi?"
Sesshi: "What's your point?"
Rustus: "The point is, how do you know the fairy isn't a crazy glue sniffer? 'Building model airplanes', say's the little fairy. Well, we're not buying it. He sneaks into your house once, that's all it takes. Next thing you know, there's money missing off the dresser and your daughter's knocked up. I've seen it a hundred times."
Sesshi: "But why do they put a guarantee on the box, then?"
Rustus: " 'Cause they know all they sold you was a guaranteed piece of s**t. That's all it is isn't it? Hey, if you want me to take a dump in a box and mark it guaranteed, I will. I got spare time. But for now, for your own sake, for your daughter's sake, you might want to think about buying a quality product from Apple."
I can't either.
But I can certainly see individuals buying a computer like that.
A great operating system on a powerful computer with a powerful video card.
That's my expectations for the next Mac Pro.
I would but that's illegal, and I am sure I would get no support from either Apple or Dell/other PC makers.
I am, but I know that Apple isn't going to lose market share over a machine that they could have been working on non-stop since a year ago. When the Mac Pro came out is was the most powerful, best spec'd machine. About two months later that changed, but I am sure Jobs wants that pride back.
I am thinking that 2.66 quad will be the base, then the very next model will be 3GHz octo, then 3.2 octo. What I would love to see though is higher specs, and lower specs and cheaper prices for the college student, gamer, average joe on a budget. Not everyone has $3000 to toss on a tower, and plenty of wannabe switchers and Apple fanboys want a cheaper headless Mac. Basically, I hope that Apple give us the usual base config, but extends the BTO options down to the quad 2GHz, a 250GB HDD, and a mediocre GFX card for about $2000, like they have done already, so they should just keep doing it.
This is a brilliant comparison. In the world of tech people toss around specs that are important to them and consider them the breaking point for what makes a machine worth getting. If it's the warranty for you, then pretty sure it won't be for some other guy that takes care of his machine. Sesshi claims that Macs are toys, I claim that Windows is garbage and wasn't made for multimedia and multitasking. We can go back and forth and get no where.
Honestly, if Macs aren't good for someone then I won't tell them to buy one, why spoil the pot with a bad apple? I won't criticize them for using Windows either. But as soon as they pass their judgement/opinion over a machine and try to make it a blanket statement for all machines made by that company, then I have to step in and remind them that they are using Windows.
In nine days the Mac Pro reaches the 17-month mark. No updates. Way to go, Apple.
Umm, actually in 9 days it will reach the 16-month mark (August 9, 2006).
I got my Mac Pro this summer, after the 8-core model was introduced (which happened back in April).
We'll probably see a Mac Pro refresh in January. After the refresh happens, lots of people will probably just complain about how the refresh is insufficient anyway.
In the meantime, I already bought my Mac Pro and I love it.
Amen, the never ending cycle will continue. Shoot, I wasn't satisfied with the SR MBP updates, so I am still waiting with my Core 2 Duo, no problem. As for the Mac Pro... I still have my Dual 2GHz G5 and I am suffering. I will purchase in January sufficient update or not. And since Mac OS X can't run on any PCs then the Mac Pro it is, I just hope that Jobs doesn't do us dirty.
Thanks for that, I didn't think to look if the 1600MHz FSB processors were shipping at a different date. As far as I've seen Dell are the first to be offering them.
How about a Mac Pro launch date of December 19th with pre-orders for 3.0 and 3.2 Harpertowns available on January 7th?
I'll be one of the many waiting for January 7th but at least uncertainly of when it will be available would be gone.
Although I agree with you that something less expensive would be great (even a single quad core xeon option for ~$1650, despite the more obvious desktop quad core design being possible for perhaps $1300), but prices for the 3.2ghz harpertown 1600 are very similar to the clovertown 3.0 ($1279 vs. $1172) used in octos today. as it lines up now, the 2.83 harpertown costs exactly what the 2.66 woodcrest did when released ($690), making it possible for apple to offer a 'base' Mac Pro with at least 2gb ram, 400gb hdd, 8600 and 2.83ghz harpertowns for the same $2500. although i hate the fact that this prices many potential mac switchers out of the game, at least it places the MP back on top of the value equation, which will probably mean i'll buy one sometime in the spring.
I'll come right out and say it though, the above mentioned machine is overpowered for my uses. no matter how many raw images i process a day, no matter which new digital bodies with xx megapixels i buy, it's overkill. i need the 4 drive bays, the >4 gigs of ram, the decent video, but i'm quite sure one of the core2extreme quad core penryns would be absolutely fine in terms of processing power...
I'm glad i don't have the money for one right now, it would be tough to be waiting...i'm rather convinced it'll be january before mr. penryn shows his face in a mac.
It's only a matter of time before they release a Mac Pro.
How's that for a prediction?
*dons his OBVIOUS hat*
PS- I enjoy my new Mac Pro. Enjoy your old Macs.
How's that for a prediction?
*dons his OBVIOUS hat*
PS- I enjoy my new Mac Pro. Enjoy your old Macs.
Another happy macpro user here; wait and wait..I have been enjoying my machine for quite some time now....
You do realize this isn't the "happy mac pro owners" thread right? Quite frankly, posts like this and others like it are overwhelmingly annoying, at least to me. I personally don't care how happy you are with your Mac Pro, just as much as you probably don't care how happy I am with my iPhone or my G4 server. Which makes it clear that your purpose for making these comments are purely to make those waiting feel something. I challenge you to tell me what that is, since it you who has that aim.
But really, I am genuinely curious as to why you feel the need to make such comments.
To RichP & Lesser Evets:
oh man..
I know, I know.. I would be too, though things panned out differently for me.
So I will be purchasing the new one when it arrives..
Now if for some reason you too were recently waiting in line to buy a Mac Pro, would you not wait a month or two for a new version?! If not, then great.
When I see people chime in like this, saying that they've been enjoying there Mac Pro for months now, etc.. (within context) The only thing that comes to mind is that they are slightly nervous of seeing the updated model roll out and being slightly jealous.
Anyways I just needed to vent a little. Thanks for your time.
oh man..
I know, I know.. I would be too, though things panned out differently for me.
So I will be purchasing the new one when it arrives..
Now if for some reason you too were recently waiting in line to buy a Mac Pro, would you not wait a month or two for a new version?! If not, then great.
When I see people chime in like this, saying that they've been enjoying there Mac Pro for months now, etc.. (within context) The only thing that comes to mind is that they are slightly nervous of seeing the updated model roll out and being slightly jealous.
Anyways I just needed to vent a little. Thanks for your time.