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Hmm, ok. Does anyone have a photo they can link me to to see what it looks like? It would be cool to have the silver border because I think it would make the MBP look more unique.

Not only will it look more unique, you will also not strain your eyes after many hours, and you will not have an annoying glare. This is how the PowerBooks used to be and I personally think it has a cleaner look. The black border makes it look like those TVs from the 1970s.

http://mickerlodeon.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/3184631310_27295e3169.jpg


http://www.mackozer.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/mbp17matte.jpg
 
I just read a US article that says that the prices of the 13" MBPs haven't changed from the previous price of $1,199 and $1,499. Unless this article is wrong, this means that the UK are once again getting screwed over with price increases while the US keep the same price. Is this the case or can anyone confirm that the article is wrong?
 
Go AMD/ATI

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It'll be interesting to see what Apple will do in the next update.

Yes it will be, this is a very clear indication that Apple has rejected Intels integrated GPU as a viable GPU on it's own.

As to what Apple will do, well AMD actually has interesting plans for integrated processors that might actually be more competitive than Intels offerings. If only they could ship them. An alternative might be to knock heads at Intel and NVidia and have an i3 built with NVidia hardware on the module.

As a side note Intel is being really stupid here. Their integrated graphics suck royally. Contrary to statements in this thread the new HD GPUs from Intel really aren't much of an improvement.

Dave
 
So, I just realized that the low end 15" has has a 320gb 5400rpm hdd, but if you want to upgrade to a 7200rpm hdd you HAVE to get the 500gb 7200rpm drive for 150$ more.

So, is the speed upgrade from the 5400rpm -> 7200rpm drive really all that noticeable and worth the extra money? If i decide to upgrade i'm just upgrading to the 2.53Ghz model. But i'd prefer to save the money and stick with the low end 15". I'm on a tight budget...

Any suggestions?
 
I just read a US article that says that the prices of the 13" MBPs haven't changed from the previous price of $1,199 and $1,499. Unless this article is wrong, this means that the UK are once again getting screwed over with price increases while the US keep the same price. Is this the case or can anyone confirm that the article is wrong?

Confirmed. You "blokes" are getting screwed again.
 
Not only will it look more unique, you will also not strain your eyes after many hours, and you will not have an annoying glare. This is how the PowerBooks used to be and I personally think it has a cleaner look. The black border makes it look like those TVs from the 1970s.

http://mickerlodeon.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/3184631310_27295e3169.jpg


http://www.mackozer.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/mbp17matte.jpg

WOW that silver bezel is pretty cool looking, I def like that better than the ubiquitous black borders everyone has now. I think I'll definitely go with that, especially since I've always had matte screens and am not sure how I would like glossy for extended periods of time. I already hate glossy for TV's (like Samsung), so I go with the Sony's (which use matte).
 
I really had hope there would be blu-ray support on this update. :( I own a lot of blu-ray movies (sorry but there is no legal way to get a movie in anywhere near blu-ray quality + HD Audio) and I have no way to watch them or even rip them onto my macbook pro. Will Apple ever offer blu-ray!?
 
Confirmed. You "blokes" are getting screwed again.

Regardless of exchange rates etc, it seems unfair that US consumers get an updated product for the same price as the previous one yet UK consumers have to pay an extra £80 for both the 13" models. If they had kept the 13" models at £918 and £1,174 like they were last gen then I would have said the updates are well worth it on the 13", but not now.
 
So, I just realized that the low end 15" has has a 320gb 5400rpm hdd, but if you want to upgrade to a 7200rpm hdd you HAVE to get the 500gb 7200rpm drive for 150$ more.

So, is the speed upgrade from the 5400rpm -> 7200rpm drive really all that noticeable and worth the extra money? If i decide to upgrade i'm just upgrading to the 2.53Ghz model. But i'd prefer to save the money and stick with the low end 15". I'm on a tight budget...

Any suggestions?

Save your money and buy an aftermarket hard drive and install it yourself. Then you can buy a small external enclosure for the 320gb drive and have a nice external as well.

That's what I would do anyways, even if it did end up costing a bit more than $150.

5400 vs 7200 is only noticeable depending on what you are doing with your computer...
 
A word of caution.

Apple is advertising Anti-Glare screens not matte. This could be very significant or it could be nothing.

Dave
For those of you, like me, totally aggravated at the lack of matte antiglare screens for the 13" MacBook Pro (and the iMac), we need to bolster the focused protest at http://macmatte.wordpress.com - close to 1,000 petitions there already.
 
why on earth is the matte screen over 100 dollars more??? Matte screen used to be a free option.
I want matte but I don't want to pay that much! So obnoxious!
 
MDP and audio

I am pretty sure that audio through mini displayport is supported. There is an NEW [optional] mini displayport to hdmi.
And according to Apple's standards it will be with audio!!!

I wish but am doubtful. The MDP to HDMI can be a video only solution, and a few lines down on the spec sheet, there's no mention of MDP in the audio out section. If Apple now routed audio through MDP, I'd expect so see it mentioned there.
 
why on earth is the matte screen over 100 dollars more??? Matte screen used to be a free option.
I want matte but I don't want to pay that much! So obnoxious!

Because you are not only getting a matte screen, but the higher-resolution screen as well. It sucks, I would rather just pay the $50 to get a matte screen and forego the higher-res. And yes, I miss the days when having a normal, matte screen wasn't a "premium"
 
why on earth is the matte screen over 100 dollars more??? Matte screen used to be a free option.
I want matte but I don't want to pay that much! So obnoxious!

It was a free option nearly 2 years ago.

When Apple introduced the 17" MacBook Pro a year and a half ago, they stated the anti-glare display would be a $50 upgrade. And continued that on with the 15" MBP in July last year.
 
It's also a typical piece of Toshiba plastic garbage, weights almost 7 pounds, is over 1.5" thick, has about a third of the battery life, at best.

Seriously, is this some revelation to you? If you do not care about a lot of these things, you can get some great low prices on machines with very high specs.

Care about what? Getting the MOST for my money? Am I really supposed to spend $1300 more on a weaker system just so it can weigh a little less, be a little thinner, and get battery life I'll never use in the real world?

Weight and thickness are a non-issue considering the system is being carried in a backpack.

Check out the HP Envy 15 if you want to see what happens when you make a thin 15" machine with a quad core i7 - you end up with a machine with pretty abysmal battery life and an enormous heat problem.

Or I can look at Apple's line of Intel systems if I want to see what happens when you combine a thin case with poor cooling. I've already had two MacBooks replaced thanks to Apple's design and lack of proper cooling systems.

The Toshiba I linked to is half an inch thicker than the MBP. Big deal. For something I carry in a backpack, this would be a NON ISSUE.

We could play this game all day, frankly. It's always been possible to pick out specs and say "But look at this laptop - it has the same or better specs, and costs half as much". But people do ignore build quality, screen quality, battery life, etc. when making these comparisons. There are almost always tradeoffs with laptops.

Build quality? Apple's computer build quality is definitely given more credit than it deserves. I've already had two systems replaced due to poor build quality (heat causing case cracking and discoloration) as well as their repair centers botching the repairs multiple times and being without my system for weeks at a time as a result. Even the system they replaced it with, the aluminum MacBook, had to go in for repair because of either a firmware update killing the optical drive or internal heat due to poor cooling and ventilation. When it came back to me I still had to make a 70 mile round trip to the Apple store to the bottom case replaced that was scratched up during the repair process.

Screen quality? Again, Apple's screens are given far more credit than they deserve. The only screen on any Apple product that deserves praise is the iPad screen. But even that suffers from a seriously low refresh rate.

Battery life is the only area Apple wins. And thats only because its cheap. Apple would rather spend very little money increasing battery life than take smaller profit margins to sell reasonably spec'ed machines.

In my experience, PC batteries charge significantly faster than Apple. I have the aluminum MacBook with a "5 hour" battery and it takes twice as long to charge as the 12 cell battery (7 hour) in my HP.

I'm not saying that the MBP is perfect, or that there aren't some really nice PC alternatives (but I would point to Asus and Sony as companies that make nice alternatives, not crap like Toshiba or the flawed HP Envy). But it's important to look at the whole picture.

Funny you point to Sony as quality and call Toshiba crap, when Apple, Sony, and Toshiba all use the same Chinese manufacturer. The only difference between them is that Apple uses metal that can dent, bend, warp, and scratch.
 
This is what real apple fanboys believe. I built a PC desktop and saved up money hoping Apple will deliver on Arrandale. Since you know, the current core2duos are coming on their two year anniversary. i come to bitch and moan when apple fails to live up to even the slightest expectations. you're seriously backwards if you think it's lofty to want something newer than a core2duo.

You're buliding up bitching on a mac forum to be something that takes up a lot of my time and energy, it isn't. in the end it's an internet forum and a purchase decision is wholly my own. i just like coming here and showing you guys how apple has changed you as a consumer for a laptop. you no longer can hope for the best, you can't even hope for something similar to waht other people are offering. you can set your sights on low and than bitch at people who think otherwise.

Did you build your own OS from the ground up to work on your pc, or did you load windows? What about integrated software? Did you make tour own iLife application knock offs so you can actually, I dunno, use your machine?

The price of macs have to include all the effort for the personalized OS and prosuctivity software, all specifically designed to run on your hardware. Stop comparing the prices for hardware between pcs and macs, macs are morevthan just a compliation of oem hardware.

I have a year old mbp, and I can honestly say I've never run into anyone with a more well built and speedier machine than I. I guess now I will, there's new MBPs afoot.

Oh, and coming to a site for dedicated mac users and botching on our forums about features you expected yet all of us have known for months were never gonna see the light of day (ie a core i3 with a quality discrete [Aka not intel] graphics card) is the very definition of annoying, troll like behavior.

Face it, what you want is currently non-viable due to patenting issues, if you have beef, fight for patent reform.
 
Apple is advertising Anti-Glare screens not matte. This could be very significant or it could be nothing.

Dave

It is matte. They called them anti-glare for the previous gen too. It is a matte screen.
 
stuck between 13" MBP and Sony Vaio Z...:confused:

If this helps - I've had business experience with both Sony Z Series and Apple laptops.

The difference may not come down to initial cost - but what will happen should you ever need service.

Our VP of Marketing's Z went out - under Sony warranty.

Call Sony, do the usual dance with the techs on the phone - and they have us send it in. I explain the importance of the machine to our person and ask that it be expedited.

We send it in, and track its arrival to Sony's repair depot in San Diego.

And then - we hear nothing.

Three days later - we hadn't received the laptop back - which was the initial commitment. So we call and they tell us that they have unexpected delay.

A week later, same.

Two weeks later, Sony in San Diego said that no - they'd never received it at all - even though we had documentation supporting the delivery.

Finally, three weeks later - without as much as a word from Sony - the machine arrived back.

I guess my point is - if the hardware is largely similar, the differentiators are the OSes - Win7 vs Mac - and then - what happens if you run into trouble.

Each time I've had to deal with Apple - admittedly under Applecare - they've done what they said they would do, generally in that initial contact.

It's the end-to-end experience that Apple excels at - and that's hard to quantify in pure dollars.
 
If you're already using a 15" then do you ever feel frustrated that you can't fit more on the screen?

The flip side is smaller text and icons. If you're unsure it's probably best to see one before ordering, though a poster in another thread gave the sensible advice that since the 17" has slightly higher pixel density, if you can cope with the that screen you'll be OK with the hi-res 15.

Of course if you want matte, it's this or the refurb store now - the UK refurb store has a number of C2D antiglare configurations in it at the moment.

I'm on a 13" MB now. This will be my first MBP.
 
So, I just realized that the low end 15" has has a 320gb 5400rpm hdd, but if you want to upgrade to a 7200rpm hdd you HAVE to get the 500gb 7200rpm drive for 150$ more.

Any suggestions?

I dunno, but I'm digging around to find the drive height supported in today's machines.

Specifically, there are 9.5mm 640GB drives out now - and 750GB & 1TB 12.5mm drives.

I've got 27GB free on my existing 500GB drive and InDesign gets very... ungracious... when disk space gets low.
 
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