Intel Ad Sparks Speculation of Next-Generation MacBook Pro Leak

[asdf542]

No such statement or implied statement was ever made. The core subject has always been 'can the material look different?', not how or why. One would think that the smooth appearance of the images you posted does not look like anodization, yet the watch does have a slightly anodized or brushed look to it.

The core subject has been can the material look different WITHOUT MODIFICATION. I'm not looking for horses dyed pink. I'm looking for horses that have their original coat to be compared to other horses that have their original coat color.

Which in no way disables it from addressing the initial question, 'Can it look different.' You imposed no disqualifying criteria to start with, yet you now somehow insist on it.

I thought it went without saying that I don't want to be comparing anodized aluminum that is pink to anodized liquid metal that is green.

What part of this don't you understand? I responded to someone who posted edited alloy bars then responded with material THAT ALL MATCHED of liquid metal that can't be anodized to all look the same that also happen to match THEIR OWN ALLOY IMAGE.

There is no need for me to do either. The original purpose was to show that it is different, not the same.

You haven't done anything but post an anodized version of something. You have provided no other examples.

My, you do change your mind fast, don't you? The intent was to show that the material's appearance can differ. I could have left anodization out of it and the point would remain.

Your original intent was nullified by your garbage point. Is that so hard to understand?

What characteristic about anodization precludes them from looking similar? Perhaps you have a journal article? Why do they need to be anodized to be relevant to the ones that do appear anodized? After all, the original question was can they look different, not how.

There was no original question. I asked for a clean image of liquidmetal that was in the relevance of the raw bars posted.

Why does potential anodization disqualify it as being irrelevant? I am still puzzled on that point.

The original post was in relation to alloy bars. NOT anodized bars. I didn't want to start comparing colors of the rainbow. I wanted to compare apples to apples. Something that you have a hard time understanding, apparently.

So if we -----> Apple is not a correction... Oh wow, gradz on the Apple board

Yeah, because clearly there's no way to imitate someone without being them, right?

 

[Doneaux]

It looks way too thin, even if there's no optical drive and a SSD instead of HDD for a Macbook Pro. I also doubt that Intel would **** up like this... again.

The only really interesting thing is the similarity of the styles used by Apple and in this mockup.

Also you guys arguing about the color of LM... really?

 

[.Max.]

Looks to me like a flattened out Macbook Air

 

[BJB Productions]

Don't believe it's a Mac mock-up. Apple just finished moving all their products to the aluminum. Why would they go backwards?...ok maybe not backwards, but this just seems weird.

 

[chrmjenkins]

The core subject has been can the material look different WITHOUT MODIFICATION.

Ah, good then. Please quote the original post that stated this and we'll have it all cleared up then.

What part of this don't you understand? I responded to someone who posted edited alloy bars then responded with material THAT ALL MATCHED of liquid metal that can't be anodized to all look the same that also happen to match THEIR OWN ALLOY IMAGE.

So this is your concession that it can look different (anodization or other method given)?

You haven't done anything but post an anodized version of something. You have provided no other examples.

Wait, now you are taking the anodized part at face value when it serves your point? It's unclear why it looks different. Only that it does.

There was no original question. I asked for a clean image of liquidmetal that was in the relevance of the raw bars posted.

'Clean' is prohibitively vague.

But the question of whether or not anodization is the only way to achieve that is a good one. Let's have a look:

http://www.liquidmetal.com/applications/dsp.jewelry.asp

So, it seems polishing the metal can alter its appearance.

Additionally, other metals can be added to produce alloys that have a modified appearance.

So, in regards to your original statement "Liquid metal does not look like that." What defining parameters are you trying to impose? It can potentially look different via a corrosion technique (anodization), a finishing technique (polishing) and through the introduction of impurities (an alloy). If you wish to single out your definition to homogeneity of appearance so small so that you no longer account for any techniques that can reasonably modify the appearance of the material, you make it impossible to address your original statement via the simple fact of the reflexive property. Material A created the same way under the same conditions will always resemble material A.

 

[BJB Productions]

Oh yeah...and guys...seriously...chill...This is all rather ridiculous. No need to debate... Only you can prevent forum fires.

 

[critter13]

Lqmt

LiquidMetal's chart went crazy today...

 

[Dainin]

No one even noticed that I pointed out that the surfer dude looks like the same one in the current MBP photo on Apple's site.

I did. It is definitely the same surfer.

 

[jmol]

As much as I enjoy some of the heated debates that occur on this site, I don't see the real point to this one. I think we can all agree that a LM Macbook Pro would be very cool though

 

[mouthster]

You quoted the wrong post, numb nuts. We'll see what the score is 3/1. I'll meet you back here then.

EDIT: BTW, what kind of name is "mouthster"? That's not much better than mine.

My nuts aren't numb, but I'm getting a good idea of what the correlation between I.Q. and the ability to sense sarcasm is.

 

[asdf542]

Ah, good then. Please quote the original post that stated this and we'll have it all cleared up then.

Please quote what? The part where it goes without saying because the original post was a reply to RAW BARS? In other words, NO MODIFICATION? Good god.

So this is your concession that it can look different (anodization or other method given)?

Wait, now you are taking the anodized part at face value when it serves your point? It's unclear why it looks different. Only that it does.

What the hell are you talking about? It looks different because it's anodized. What about it? There is nothing about it because your entire argument is trash.

'Clean' is prohibitively vague.

It's referring to the image quality. Which the original response to what I posted was a low quality, bad lit image. Stop mixing things up.

But the question of whether or not anodization is the only way to achieve that is a good one. Let's have a look:

http://www.liquidmetal.com/applications/dsp.jewelry.asp

So, it seems polishing the metal can alter its appearance.

Additionally, other metals can be added to produce alloys that have a modified appearance.

So, in regards to your original statement "Liquid metal does not look like that." What defining parameters are you trying to impose? It can potentially look different via a corrosion technique (anodization), a finishing technique (polishing) and through the introduction of impurities (an alloy). If you wish to single out your definition to homogeneity of appearance so small so that you no longer account for any techniques that can reasonably modify the appearance of the material, you make it impossible to address your original statement via the simple fact of the reflexive property. Material A created the same way under the same conditions will always resemble material A.

Liquidmetal does not look like that IN THE CONTEXT OF THE ORIGINALLY POSTED BARS. UNMODIFIED BARS. From an EDITED photo, that someone tried to back up with posting a low quality image in response that had a similar hue.

 

[chrmjenkins]

Please quote what? The part where it goes without saying because the original post was a reply to RAW BARS? In other words, NO MODIFICATION? Good god.


What the hell are you talking about? It looks different because it's anodized. What about it? There is nothing about it because your entire argument is trash.

It's referring to the image quality. Which the original response to what I posted was a low quality, bad lit image. Stop mixing things up.

Liquidmetal does not look like that IN THE CONTEXT OF THE ORIGINALLY POSTED BARS. UNMODIFIED BARS. From an EDITED photo, that someone tried to back up with posting a low quality image in response that had a similar hue.

Ok, so I think I can now reduce it to a very simple question. If you acknowledge that it can look different via a myriad of processes, why did you originally object to images in which it appeared different on the grounds that it does not look like that? If apple chooses to implement a color that is achieved via a certain process, we've seen that's well within technical means. So, why debate any differing image that shows up as not being liquid metal?

 

[Yebubbleman]

Oh come on, like any of these laptops in these ads are not at least 50% photoshopped!!!

And really people? Really? Are we really debating whether or not this IS a forthcoming laptop being leaked here? And I thought we had MacBook Pro refresh blue balls before this...

 

[Androidpwns]

What the hell are you even yapping about?

Enjoy being added to my ignore list "Androidpwns". You aren't worth my time.

Strong quote. www.lastword.com 4tw

 

[asdf542]

Ok, so I think I can now reduce it to a very simple question. If you acknowledge that it can look different via a myriad of processes, why did you originally object to images in which it appeared different on the grounds that it does not look like that? If apple chooses to implement a color that is achieved via a certain process, we've seen that's well within technical means. So, why debate any differing image that shows up as not being liquid metal?

Why debate? This is why.

The first one you provided - anodized
The second one - polished, no big outward change, looks exactly like the images I posted before
The third one - "Liquidmetal platinum" combining BASIC LIQUEDMETAL ALLOYS with precious metals.

Two separate things. You have to have a base alloy image of liqudmetal that somehow looks like the original bar image posted and not like the alloy image I posted from their website.

Oh and androidpwns:

 

[Erasmus]

It's a picture of a MacBook Pro, with the iSight and "MacBook Pro" removed, colour changed, and the main body digitally thinned.

I have no doubt that this is not a real computer. But it is clearly modelled on a MBP.

For me, the clear giveaway is it's far too thin. Which is just Intel's rather obvious way of suggesting that it's new CPU line are very power efficient.

Also: I thought Sandy Bridge would be the 4th generation of Intel Core processors; "Core", "Core 2", "Nehalem (Core i)" and "Sandy Bridge". Maybe second generation of "Core iX" processors...

 

[toddybody]

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Omfgoodness, I couldn't believe that people are actually discussing the possibility that this is a leaked mbp.
1. It looks like ****. Horribly fake lighting and rounding. I'm literally shocked that people would be apple crazed enough to overlook how fake this graphic looks.

2. You really think intel would purposefully blunder, and jeopardize a very high profile customer like apple?


But yeah, IF that were the new mbp...total nerdgasm.

 

[chrmjenkins]

Why debate? This is why.

The first one you provided - anodized

Presumably. We don't know for sure?

The second one - polished, no big outward change, looks exactly like the images I posted before

Really? Looks quite a bit darker to me.

The third one - "Liquidmetal platinum" combining BASIC LIQUEDMETAL ALLOYS with precious metals.

Liquidmetal itself is an alloy. It refers more to the structure of the material than a specific formula. I'm sure their intellectual property regards it as such too. This complicates calling liquid metal as having one distinct appearance. Yes, the alloy they typically use and feature looks one way, but that doesn't prevent variants, both in composition and processing, from looking different.

The inherent problem is that you seem to object to versions of liquid metal that look darker (specifically in correlation with the change in apple's website) as being unfounded because liquid metal doesn't look like that. The truth is, if it does appear in iPhone or MBPs or whatever, it will look however Apple wants it too, which may well mean that it resembles the darker navigation bar on the new apple website.

So, while the bars of the base alloy has a specific unprocessed appearance, that has no necessary implications for the appearance of potential apple products that utilize the material.

 

[ronjon10]

I'd be among the first in line if they released a matte black MBPro without an optical drive. At least first after the early adopters to make sure there are no major defects.

 

[asdf542]

Really? Looks quite a bit darker to me.

We're looking at 2x4 image that is supposed to emphasize the darkness of the product coming from the shadows, not a very good example. Turn up the lights and I'm willing to bet it will look identical to the watch I posted.

Liquidmetal itself is an alloy. It refers more to the structure of the material than a specific formula. I'm sure their intellectual property regards it as such too. This complicates calling liquid metal as having one distinct appearance. Yes, the alloy they typically use and feature looks one way, but that doesn't prevent variants, both in composition and processing, from looking different.

The inherent problem is that you seem to object to versions of liquid metal that look darker (specifically in correlation with the change in apple's website) as being unfounded because liquid metal doesn't look like that. The truth is, if it does appear in iPhone or MBPs or whatever, it will look however Apple wants it too, which may well mean that it resembles the darker navigation bar on the new apple website.

So, while the bars of the base alloy has a specific unprocessed appearance, that has no necessary implications for the appearance of potential apple products that utilize the material.

Anything that can be anodized can have its appearance changed. With that being said you have yet to provide a real image of something that looks as dark as those original unmodified alloy bars to prove your point. And you likely never will find anything because liquid metal consists only of gallium metals that are silver-white. I'll post another that looks like their alloy image on their site:

 

[monstermac77]

Here's the deal

All right. There's no way I'm wrong on this one so there's no purpose in denouncing this post. What you're seeing on Intel's website is not a computer, it's a polymorphic alien that has infiltrated our considerably defended intertubes (the funding for which accounts for approximately 7/19ths of the U.S. defense budget). I'm currently unaware of its intentions but I took the liberty of naming it "iV".

I can keep everyone here updated as long as they give me the following information and documents:

Full name
Phone number
Email
House address (in case "iV" closes the internet and phones)
Credit Card Number (I'll be purchasing gold and goats in the event of an apocalypse)
Pet names
Preferred web browser
Birth certificate
Letter of recommendation

 

[chrmjenkins]

Anything that can be anodized can have its appearance changed. With that being said you have yet to provide a real image of something that looks as dark as those original unmodified alloy bars to prove your point. And you likely never will find anything because liquid metal consists only of gallium metals that are silver-white. I'll post another that looks like their alloy image on their site:

The point was that it can look different. The differing allows and thumb drive products adequately prove that. Thus, apple's products can resemble those products and subsequently, the website design may match the new apple product designs. As I've stated, the only thing that is going to look like the alloy you've been posting is the alloy you've been posting. That doesn't mean it's all Apple can use.

You do realize that liquid metal is only the product name, correct? As far as I know, it contains none of the actual material. Particularly since Apple has a lack on consumer electronic devices utilizing it.

 

[Erasmus]

Anything that can be anodized can have its appearance changed. With that being said you have yet to provided a real image of something that looks as dark as those original unmodified alloy bars to prove your point. And you likely never will find anything because liquid metal consists only of gallium metals that are silver-white.

Just throwing it out there, but if Apple wanted to make a LiquidMetal case really dark, they could do it without anodising, which could possibly ruin the hardness of the material.

If Apple use a process that creates µm scale pits on the surface, any metal can be made to look black. Although this process would likely be prohibitively expensive.

Otherwise, I doubt whether the LiquidMetal alloy can be changed to be made different colours. I expect the proportions of material have to be quite accurate for the alloy to work as LiquidMetal. Although there seems to be a few different alloys that do work (based on the Wiki article), so perhaps either the dark metal, or the silver metal, are earlier or later developed LM alloys.

Either way, in my opinion, argument is pointless as LM specifics seem to be heavily locked down in IP.

EDIT: Also, LiquidMetal is Zirconium based, not Gallium. But, Zirconium is a silver metal, so I guess your point still stands.

 

[asdf542]

The point was that it can look different. The differing allows and thumb drive products adequately prove that. Thus, apple's products can resemble those products and subsequently, the website design may match the new apple product designs. As I've stated, the only thing that is going to look like the alloy you've been posting is the alloy you've been posting. That doesn't mean it's all Apple can use.

The website design already matches the iOS UI. They don't have to change anything. It's black glass. No matter what the enclosure is chances are there will be a black glass bezel around their machines(at least in the immediate future).

You do realize that liquid metal is only the product name, correct? As far as I know, it contains none of the actual material. Particularly since Apple has a lack on consumer electronic devices utilizing it.

You keep on claiming that liquid metal can be any color possible but I have yet to see a single image that is anything but what I've been posting. I've been scouring the web for images. So you're telling me that ALL of these examples looking the same is just a coincidence? Show me a clear image of liquidmetal that you know isn't anodized that doesn't look like what I've been posting. That's all I'm asking for and I'll surrender.

EDIT: Also, LiquidMetal is Zirconium based, not Gallium.

Zirconium is listed as being silvery white under wikipedia, matches up just as fine as before. But yes, I did make a mistake in that regard.

 

[iMikeT]

People are reading way too much into this.