Intel Ad Sparks Speculation of Next-Generation MacBook Pro Leak

[asdf542]

All that you're showing me is more of the website. Supposedly you're claiming the iOS itself actually matches this color scheme in some regard. It does not. It's all light gray. Please show me a screenshot of iOS that resembles the dark gray or further clarify what you're talking about.

Did you miss the UI element at the bottom that isn't part of the website because it's so similar?

The quick look window is also IDENTICAL to it further proving that liquid metal has nothing to do with this site design.

Why would I post something that matches if my intent is to show differences?

You say you want to post something different to prove that the raw bars can be anything when the only thing you've posted is anodized. You have still yet to show me something that isn't anodized.

Except for the platinum liquid metal alloy (and an explicit statement that they can make other alloys with different appearances).

We aren't talking about liquid metal platinum that is combining liquid metal alloys with other alloys used for jewelry. We are talking about liquid metal. The end product of liquid metal platinum is liquid metal platinum.

But you've given no evidence to suggest that Apple won't anodize this new metal, if that is their intention. Moreover, and yet again, the various alloys will not look like what you've posted, depending upon their content.

If Apple having not used anodization to change the appearance of their computers to anything but what material would suggest it would look like isn't enough indication for you then I don't know what is. You may as well start suggesting that the next liquidmetal MBP will come with an attached set of wings despite Apple never included an attached set of wings prior.

Of course, the assertion that apple will go to LM and use a darker color that matches the website design is speculation, but there are currently no grounds on which to dismiss it on the premise that LM cannot look like that. We know from on the market products that it can.

Yet you have still yet to post an image that matches what those bars look like. You can keep on playing the "my intent is to show something different" card but it doesn't change the fact that you haven't shown anything that isn't anodized. Your entire argument is essentially based on text examples.

 

[greytmom]

Here's something for both of you... will resolve this whole stupid debate.

 

[chrmjenkins]

Did you miss the UI element at the bottom that isn't part of the website because it's so similar?

The quick look window is also IDENTICAL to it further proving that liquid metal has nothing to do with this site design.

That bar is partially transparent and its color is directly dependent on the color underneath it. Moreover, the find on page feature on the iPhone doesn't even have the same look, it's a solid blue-ish colorr.

You say you want to post something different to prove that the raw bars can be anything when the only thing you've posted is anodized. You have still yet to show me something that isn't anodized.

Where did I say I was only talking about raw bars? The color of raw bars doesn't relate to the finish product in an apple device, which is what concerns me.

We aren't talking about liquid metal platinum that is combining liquid metal alloys with other alloys used for jewelry. We are talking about liquid metal. The end product of liquid metal platinum is liquid metal platinum.

And apple is presumably free to choose any derivative alloy they wish, meaning base LM color is not the only criteria (beyond the fact you still won't accept processed metal in a finished product).

If Apple having not used anodization to change the appearance of their computers to anything but what material would suggest it would look like isn't enough indication for you then I don't know what is. You may as well start suggesting that the next liquidmetal MBP will come with an attached set of wings despite Apple never included an attached set of wings prior.

Reductio ad absurdum. Feel better? Using fallacies only reduces your credibility.

Yet you have still yet to post an image that matches what those bars look like.

Match in what? Color? Bar form? The first is contrary to my goal, the second is pointless. There's no need to show it a different color in the same unused form to prove it can be different.

You can keep on playing the "my intent is to show something different" card but it doesn't change the fact that you haven't shown anything that isn't anodized. Your entire argument is essentially based on text examples.

Except for the alloy that was different, but it still liquid metal. Prove to me definitively that Apple would never use a various alloy of LM to achieve a colored affect and we can drop the point. And your denial is heavily predicated on the products that look anodized actually being anodized. Moreover, you still haven't founded a coherent argument for why anodized metal is irrelevant to the discussion. Your only hangup seems to a vague notion that Apple doesn't use anodizing to change the material from what it normally looks like to something it doesn't look like. That's a weak inference, especially because liquid metal also has a variety of LM coatings it offers. For all we know, a particular color of coating will give the product some desirable heat transfer, ding resistance etc. quality.


Summary of the argument: The new darker look of the apple website navigation bar seems to be unexplained. Perhaps it matches a new coloring scheme with liquid metal products. Is this possible? Yes, perhaps through anodization or the use of alloys, neither of which would be surprising for apple to use.

Your response to the argument: apple would not use anything but what the raw color of the metal looks like, even if they anodize it, because they never have before.

That doesn't work because you're claiming future knowledge with certainty when the premise falls within the realm of possibility. Just accept that the color may differ because it's possible and be done with it.

 

[asdf542]

That bar is partially transparent and its color is directly dependent on the color underneath it. Moreover, the find on page feature on the iPhone doesn't even have the same look, it's a solid blue-ish colorr.

How about the iOS lock screen? Facetime UI? Those look any different?

You also keep conveniently ignoring quick look.

Where did I say I was only talking about raw bars? The color of raw bars doesn't relate to the finish product in an apple device, which is what concerns me.

I was talking about raw bars in my original post.

And apple is presumably free to choose any derivative alloy they wish, meaning base LM color is not the only criteria (beyond the fact you still won't accept processed metal in a finished product).

Liquid metal platinum serves no relevance to what is being talked about and you know it.

Reductio ad absurdum. Feel better? Using fallacies only reduces your credibility.

My example does not nullify my original claim regardless of your reductio ad absurdum claim.

Match in what? Color? Bar form? The first is contrary to my goal, the second is pointless. There's no need to show it a different color in the same unused form to prove it can be different.

Match in appearance. The first one is contrary to your goal? LOL, of course it is. The only thing you've done in this thread is post anodized images. I'm looking for you to post an image that shows that liquid metal looks like that image without being anodized. You have yet to do so.

Except for the alloy that was different, but it still liquid metal. Prove to me definitively that Apple would never use a various alloy of LM to achieve a colored affect and we can drop the point. And your denial is heavily predicated on the products that look anodized actually being anodized. Moreover, you still haven't founded a coherent argument for why anodized metal is irrelevant to the discussion. Your only hangup seems to a vague notion that Apple doesn't use anodizing to change the material from what it normally looks like to something it doesn't look like. That's a weak inference, especially because liquid metal also has a variety of LM coatings it offers. For all we know, a particular color of coating will give the product some desirable heat transfer, ding resistance etc. quality.

Liquidmetal consists of zirconium/titanium metals that are both listed as being silver-white. What you did last time I said this was pull a straw man by mentioning anodization so Apple can make it any color they want when they have never done in this in the past for their computers.

If you want to assume that Apple will mix silver-white metals to somehow look dark then be my guest and assume this while you have no examples to prove it. Show me a liquidmetal product that isn't anodized that doesn't look like what I've been posting. You've yet to do it.

 

[evitica]

you all are getting bizarre

 

[MShock]

I doubt that would be a Macbook Pro, but perhaps a Macbook? I always felt that the Macbook was the little forgotten laptop since the redesign… Apple may want to have 3 classes of notebook: Ultra portable (Air), Standard (Macbook), and Professional (Pro). I, for one, don't need anything past integrated graphics and loaded RAM, but I love a bigger screen so I opted for a 15 inch Pro. I hardly use the superdrive due to Hulu and iTunes, so why not have a 14.5 inch Macbook and 16 inch Macbook to fill the space between high end and ultra portable? Speakers like the old titanium would be appreciated. Maybe even drop the white plastic for carbon composite of some sort to resemble the image? Just fun to speculate…

 

[chrmjenkins]

How about the iOS lock screen? Facetime UI? Those look any different?

You also keep conveniently ignoring quick look.

Those are transparent. The navigation bar is not.

I was talking about raw bars in my original post.

And I advanced the discussion to get to the point of the debate in the first place: What will apple use?

Liquid metal platinum serves no relevance to what is being talked about and you know it.

Of course it does. It's an alloy of LM, of which many exist. Nothing is stopping apple from using an alloy of their choice.

My example does not nullify my original claim regardless of your reductio ad absurdum claim.

No, just your willingness to engage in honest debate.

Match in appearance. The first one is contrary to your goal? LOL, of course it is. The only thing you've done in this thread is post anodized images. I'm looking for you to post an image that shows that liquid metal looks like that image without being anodized. You have yet to do so.

I have posted one in every way possible (anodized and an alloy). I could also post a coating of a differing color as well. What you're asking is impossible because you're asking me to post material A that looks completely different than material A. If it looked different, it wouldn't be material A. It's appearance is an immutable characteristic of its composition.

Liquidmetal consists of zirconium/titanium metals that are both listed as being silver-white. What you did last time I said this was pull a straw man by mentioning anodization so Apple can make it any color they want when they have never done in this in the past for their computers.

Computers? No, but it's silly to discount the millions of colored, anodized aluminum ipods they've sold over the years.

But, let's go back to the original argument, because that' all I'm interested in.

Summary of the argument: The new darker look of the apple website navigation bar seems to be unexplained. Perhaps it matches a new coloring scheme with liquid metal products. Is this possible? Yes, perhaps through anodization or the use of alloys, neither of which would be surprising for apple to use.

Your response to the argument: apple would not use anything but what the raw color of the metal looks like, even if they anodize it, because they never have before.

That doesn't work because you're claiming future knowledge with certainty when the premise falls within the realm of possibility. Just accept that the color may differ because it's possible and be done with it.

Please modify and/or agree/disagree with the argument or your response as you see fit. I want to see if I can get you to actually answer the question.

 

[electronique]

you all are getting bizarre

My missus said yesterday morning that I was speaking jibberish in my sleep that night.. Although she could hear one thing clearly. Apparently I was repeating the words "Liquid Metal"??

Crazy.. I never talk in my sleep.

 

[nyctravis]

girls, girls! you're both pretty.

 

[axu539]

My missus said yesterday morning that I was speaking jibberish in my sleep that night.. Although she could hear one thing clearly. Apparently I was repeating the words "Liquid Metal"??

Crazy.. I never talk in my sleep.

Yeah, Apple seriously needs to just out the new products already. I've had 3 MacBook Pro dreams in the last 2 weeks..

 

[asdf542]

Those are transparent. The navigation bar is not.

You don't know if the navigation bar is transparent or not because they are not images.

You ignore quick look yet another reply. Face it, regardless of whether or not it identically matches it in iOS it already identically matches it in OS X. Your point is destroyed either way.

And I advanced the discussion to get to the point of the debate in the first place: What will apple use?

You advanced the discussion to talk about anodization. My original post had nothing to do with whether or not this is the new MacBook Pro. My original post was a response to the bars. I never said that Apple couldn't use liquid metal because of its appearance. Apple can use whatever outer exterior they like because chances are there will still be a glass black bezel around their computers to match the UI.

Of course it does. It's an alloy of LM, of which many exist. Nothing is stopping apple from using an alloy of their choice.

No. It's one possible variation of liquid metal that is used solely for jewelry and has nothing to do with liquid metal alloys by themselves. If it was just liquid metal by itself then they wouldn't mention basic liquid metal alloys in their description nor would it would be called something different.

No, just your willingness to engage in honest debate.

My analogy shows my willingness to engage in a honest debate? Hilarious. You are pulling yet another strawman argument. You've ignored what I originally said by making it about my analogy.

I have posted one in every way possible (anodized and an alloy). I could also post a coating of a differing color as well. What you're asking is impossible because you're asking me to post material A that looks completely different than material A. If it looked different, it wouldn't be material A. It's appearance is an immutable characteristic of its composition.

You haven't posted an alloy. You've so far posted an anodized USB thumb drive, a watch that has been shined in low darkness and an image of liquid metal platinum. If you want to post something that's actually of relevance to the original bars posted then please do so. I'm still waiting.

Computers? No, but it's silly to discount the millions of colored, anodized aluminum ipods they've sold over the years.

But, let's go back to the original argument, because that' all I'm interested in.

Oh my god this is too funny. I mentioned the iPods before for a reason. They have NEVER done that kind of anodization to their computers despite how long they've been doing it to their iPods. That was my point. Why would they randomly start doing it now?


Summary of your argument:
1) The new darker look of the apple website navigation bar seems to be unexplained. Perhaps it matches a new coloring scheme with liquid metal products.
2) Is this possible? Yes, perhaps through anodization or the use of alloys, neither of which would be surprising for apple to use.

My response to the argument:
1) No, I already explained it for you. It matches an already existing UI that is Quick Look.
2) No, it already matches a pre-existing UI, and Apple has never used any rainbow color anodization on their computers despite using it for all of these years on iPods, why would they start now?

That doesn't work because you're claiming future knowledge with certainty when the premise falls within the realm of possibility. Just accept that the color may differ because it's possible and be done with it.

You are claiming knowledge of something you know little about. You are ASSUMING that Apple would use liquid metal platinum (something that is different from liquid metal by itself) that is used for jewelry. You are also assuming that they would start anodizing their computers to be any random color of the rainbow when they have never done so. The color does not differ and you haven't posted anything that would suggest otherwise. You've posted an anodized image, an image to showcase that it can be shined, and another image related to liquid metal platinum.

 

[chrmjenkins]

You don't know if the navigation bar is transparent or not because they are not images.

Uh, what? What are they then? They are jpgs, png, something. They have to be an image format to be uploaded to a website design.

You ignore quick look yet another reply. Face it, regardless of whether or not it identically matches it in iOS it already identically matches it in OS X. Your point is destroyed either way.

No, because you're trying to equate a transparent overlay (quick look) to a static navigation bar. They serve different functions and have a heuristic reason for looking different (as they used to).

You advanced the discussion to talk about anodization. My original post had nothing to do with whether or not this is the new MacBook Pro. My original post was a response to the bars. I never said that Apple couldn't use liquid metal because of its appearance. Apple can use whatever outer exterior they like because chances are there will still be a glass black bezel around their computers to match the UI.

Yes, but why were you disputing the bars in the first place? Was the original argument you responded to not about the color of future apple products?

No. It's one possible variation of liquid metal that is used solely for jewelry and has nothing to do with liquid metal alloys by themselves. If it was just liquid metal by itself then they wouldn't mention basic liquid metal alloys in their description nor would it would be called something different.

So, it logically follows that if they can make one alloy with a different appearance, they can make others, which may or may not be related to jewelry.

My analogy shows my willingness to engage in a honest debate? Hilarious. You are pulling yet another strawman argument. You've ignored what I originally said by making it about my analogy.

I've addressed your point a thousand times (they won't do it because they haven't yet). You decided to rephrase it yet again with a logical fallacy. I called you out on it and that became its own separate issue.

You haven't posted an alloy. You've so far posted an anodized USB thumb drive, a watch that has been shined in low darkness and an image of liquid metal platinum.

Which is an alloy. Do you not understand what an alloy is?

Oh my god this is too funny. I mentioned the iPods before for a reason. They have NEVER done that kind of anodization to their computers despite how long they've been doing it to their iPods. That was my point. Why would they randomly start doing it now?

Why did they randomly start doing it to iPods? Because they thought the aesthetic would sell products. Do you not think that same reason could come up again?

My response to the argument:
1) No, I already explained it for you. It matches an already existing UI that is Quick Look.

No, it matches a UI element which is itself a transparent overlay, not a static menu bar.

2) No, it already matches a pre-existing UI, and Apple has never used any rainbow color anodization on their computers despite using it for all of these years on iPods, why would they start now?

Because they saw value in it before, they could see value in it again.

You are claiming knowledge of something you know little about. You are ASSUMING that Apple would use liquid metal platinum (something that is different from liquid metal by itself) that is used for jewelry.

No, I merely used it as an example of an alloy.

You are also assuming that they would start anodizing their computers to be any random color of the rainbow when they have never done so.

No, we're talking about one very specific color.

The color does not differ and you haven't posted anything that would suggest otherwise. You've posted an anodized image, an image to showcase that it can be shined, and another image related to liquid metal platinum.

So, please explain to me how I am supposed to post an image that differs if your conditions on the image necessarily imply that the image can't differ.

Again, the very simple premise that you continue to refuse to acknowledge is that apple could make computers resembling the new navigation bar. Not they will, they could. Your refusal to acknowledge so is just plain stubbornness and unwillingness to be wrong.

 

[asdf542]

No, because you're trying to equate a transparent overlay (quick look) to a static navigation bar. They serve different functions and have a heuristic reason for looking different (as they used to).

LOL, I'm done with you bro. Talking to you like talking to a brick wall. This is where I stopped reading. You have no proof that the header isn't transparent because you can't pull the 'images' from the site. Even if it wasn't transparent you can't deny how incredibly similar it looks. Your entire argument is around assumptions and I can't stand talking to you anymore. I'm done reading your trash and I'm done looking at this thread. Have fun playing with yourself.

 

[chrmjenkins]

LOL, I'm done with you bro. Talking to you like talking to a brick wall. This is where I stopped reading. You have no proof that the header isn't transparent because you can't pull the 'images' from the site. Even if it was transparent you can't deny how incredibly similar it looks. Your entire argument is around assumptions and I can't stand talking to you anymore. I'm done reading your trash and I'm done looking at this thread. Have fun playing with yourself.

That's all I was looking for. Either admit you can be wrong or stop talking.

 

[asdf542]

That's all I was looking for. Either admit you can be wrong or stop talking.

That's all you were looking for? LMFAO!

No, what you were looking for was to start a 12 page quote war with someone who said nothing that was incorrect. Liquidmetal does not look like the image of the alloy bars posted as liquidmetal consists only of silver-white metals.

You went on to pull a strawman about anodization, liquidmetal platinum and shining. None of which were implied to have happened in the RAW bar that started this.

 

[electronique]

Brilliant show guys.. Thanks

 

[chrmjenkins]

That's all you were looking for? LMFAO!

No, what you were looking for was to start a 12 page quote war with someone who said nothing that was incorrect. Liquidmetal does not look like the image of the alloy bars posted as liquidmetal consists only of silver-white metals.

You went on to pull a strawman about anodization, liquidmetal platinum and shining. None of which were implied to have happened in the RAW bar that started this.

You are correct, the raw bar started this, but the original implication of it all was to ask what color a potential new LM chassis in an apple product would be. You discounted the darker colors on the basis on the bar only, whereas a plethora of other colors can be achieved through alloys and (potentially) anodization. When confronted with this, you make the broad assumption that apple would never use either of these to achieve a different color despite them having done it in the past on iPods, and without providing a reason why they would never apply their techniques from iPods to computers. Therefore, your original objection based on the navigation bar not matching the nominal LM alloy is correct. Your assumption that LM can never look like that is incorrect, yet you press and obfuscate the issue to avoid that you could be wrong.

BTW, you have a misunderstanding of what a straw man is. A straw man would be if I invented a false position for you and then debated that. Anodization, alloys and polishing were all my arguments. I never stated nor implied that your position had anything to do with them (except your position's implicit absence of them). You seem to want to suggest that my position has been to disagree with your raw bar argument solely on the basis that bars can look different than that but still be liquid metal proper. I have, in fact, taken up the original argument which you debated (the new navigation bar is the same color of LM that will appear in apple products). So, if you look at it, you're the one that has invented the straw man for because it is essential to you avoiding admitting that you could be wrong.

 

[asdf542]

You are correct, the raw bar started this, but the original implication of it all was to ask what color a potential new LM chassis in an apple product would be. You discounted the darker colors on the basis on the bar only, whereas a plethora of other colors can be achieved through alloys and (potentially) anodization. When confronted with this, you make the broad assumption that apple would never use either of these to achieve a different color despite them having done it in the past on iPods, and without providing a reason why they would never apply their techniques from iPods to computers. Therefore, your original objection based on the navigation bar not matching the nominal LM alloy is correct. Your assumption that LM can never look like that is incorrect, yet you press and obfuscate the issue to avoid that you could be wrong.

I made a comment on the bar that liquidmetal does not look like that. I never said they couldn't use anodization to change the color of their product. I was never even talking about the MacBook Pro in relation to this original post. I simply stated that a pure liquidmetal bar would not and does not look like that.

BTW, you have a misunderstanding of what a straw man is. A straw man would be if I invented a false position for you and then debated that. Anodization, alloys and polishing were all my arguments. I never stated nor implied that your position had anything to do with them (except your position's implicit absence of them). You seem to want to suggest that my position has been to disagree with your raw bar argument solely on the basis that bars can look different than that but still be liquid metal proper. I have, in fact, taken up the original argument which you debated (the new navigation bar is the same color of LM that will appear in apple products). So, if you look at it, you're the one that has invented the straw man for because it is essential to you avoiding admitting that you could be wrong.

No, I don't. My post was in relation to a raw bar of liquidmetal not looking like that. You changed the subject entirely to something unrelated to the raw bar. I'm not avoiding anything. The original post was to show what raw liquidmetal supposedly looked like and what it would have to therefore look like on a MacBook Pro to then match Apple's website. None of this added up.

 

[dkhanley]

Yeah, Apple seriously needs to just out the new products already. I've had 3 MacBook Pro dreams in the last 2 weeks..

Me too buddy!

Does anyone remember when intel leaked the i5 mpb? In that ad, the mpb also looked black. I think it will still be silver, but maybe (hopefully) with this form factor!

Personally, I have my credit card on standby, waiting for the refresh so I can choose my 17" BTO options (upgraded ram, processor, SSD, etc.).

This will be my first real Mac computer experience (besides the ones I programmed in junior high).

Taking a hint from what Apple advertises about their new MBA - "The New MacBook Air...The Next Generation of MacBooks" leads me to believe it might be without an ODD, but frankly I don't care either way.

I shoot tandem skydive videos, so I will be using the ODD quite often to burn DVD's, but I can just as easily hook up an external superdrive.

I just know that whatever they release will be AWESOME and I can't wait!

Bring it Apple!

 

[chrmjenkins]

I made a comment on the bar that liquidmetal does not look like that. I never said they couldn't use anodization to change the color of their product. I was never even talking about the MacBook Pro in relation to this original post. I simply stated that a pure liquidmetal bar would not and does not look like that.

And I never said you did. See how that works?

No, I don't. My post was in relation to a raw bar of liquidmetal not looking like that. You changed the subject entirely to something unrelated to the raw bar. I'm not avoiding anything. The original post was to show what raw liquidmetal supposedly looked like and what it would have to therefore look like on a MacBook Pro to then match Apple's website. None of this added up.

But the key point is that it can. So, either my original response to your post should have been regarded as wholly irrelevant (and subsequently ignored), or you do agree with the position that a LM macbook specifically can't look like what was posted, else, why would you argue with me?

 

[asdf542]

And I never said you did. See how that works?

You clearly did if you felt the need to reply to me about about anodization.

But the key point is that it can. So, either my original response to your post should have been regarded as wholly irrelevant (and subsequently ignored), or you do agree with the position that a LM macbook specifically can't look like what was posted, else, why would you argue with me?

No, it can't. Raw liquid metal consists of metals that are silver-white. I responded to your original response by telling you that your original response was irrelevant and you weren't having it and continued on with your argument. I never stated a liquidmetal MBP couldn't look like that. An aluminum MBP could look like that. I stated that raw liquid metal does not look like that which was the starting factor of the way behind how the MBP would supposedly look. If the person didn't include the original bars then I wouldn't have said anything.

 

[chrmjenkins]

You clearly did if you felt the need to reply to me about about anodization. No, it can't. Raw liquid metal consists of metals that are silver-white. I responded to your original response by telling you that your original response was irrelevant and you weren't having it and continued on with your argument. I never stated a liquidmetal MBP couldn't look like that. An aluminum MBP could look like that. I stated that raw liquid metal does not look like that which was the starting factor of the way behind how the MBP would supposedly look. If the person didn't include the original bars then I wouldn't have said anything.

Ok, so all you've proven to me is that you were willing to argue with me all that time, without disagreeing with the premise I was proposing.

Why?

The fact that anodization or another alloy makes it distinct from the original bar is clear.

 

[asdf542]

Ok, so all you've proven to me is that you were willing to argue with me all that time, without disagreeing with the premise I was proposing.

Why?

I was arguing because your original post had nothing to do with what I was talking about yet you continually tried to insist that it did.

The fact that anodization or another alloy makes it distinct from the original bar is clear.

Once again, liquid metal consists of silver-white metals. Anodization had nothing to do with it.

 

[chrmjenkins]

I was arguing because your original post had nothing to do with what I was talking about yet you continually tried to insist that it did.

I'm sorry, but I do not buy the argument that you would continue on for that long if you didn't have a disagreement with what I was stating in regards to a potential LM variant for use in a MBP (that matches website design). As I brought up these new points, you even acknowledged them and suggested that they don't support my conclusion. No one is that much of a glutton for punishment.

Once again, liquid metal consists of silver-white metals. Anodization had nothing to do with it.

You realize that you just restated the sentence you quoted?

 

[thecharlesmoore]

via: cultofmac

I love this. Hopefully it's true