Intel Aiming to Bring Face ID-Like Authentication to ATMs, Gates, Door Locks, and More With 'RealSense ID'

[HappySponge]

I have always wondered what happens when a person's bio metrics is compromised? You can't change your finger prints, retina, face, etc. easily. For example the Office of personal management (OPM) has had both my data and fingers prints taken during a hack back in 2015 (around 6M others as well).

Discussions I have had with people is that well you will carry a physical device as well and need an access code. So basically a debit card and pin. It does add another layer of security of course but this layer does seem to come at a great cost.

 

[jz0309]

Wow, ATMs? At least in the US cash is on its way out, so seems like a good idea... this is a rather lame idea, will need a lot of pre-registrations, verifications and such, all from different vendors who I guess will share this via Intel cloud haha ...
These kind of products from Intel have never caught on, this one will follow suit...
This is not how you regain technology leadership Intel...

 

[Realityck]

I have no Real Sense of love for this type of security. As others have pointed out no one here needs your biometrics data stored elsewhere.

 

[VermontsFinest]

😂😂😂 pffft Apples all tick tock tick tock on their processor design... Intel revolutionised the game with a tick tick tick tick tick, only thing it didn’t tick was 10nm 😅

They mistook "processor speed" for "fan speed"

 

[mannyvel]

In a masked society facial recognition is useless. I suppose this is for the post-covid world.

 

[luvbug]

And how will they verify my face with out having my face data.

fast forward 6 month. Oh sorry we had a breech and everyones face data has been stolen. Sorry that the data for your face (which you can't change) is out there and now these people can break into anything with face protection forever.

Its one thing to have your face data stored on a Secure Enclave in your own device, its another thing to store your face data on someone else's server in which you have no control of.

This is monumental hard pass for me.

Ya know, I don't care for Intel either (I think they have been in bed with 3-letter agencies for years, frankly), but the article plainly says that this product performs everything "on device", just like Apple does it. That means "not on someone's server".

 

[sw1tcher]

what a great time to introduce this hardware

where everyone is wearing masks

What a great time to introduce this hardware... when ATM use around the world has been on a steady decline for years now.

 

[Anson_431]

what a great time to introduce this hardware

where everyone is wearing masks

(Issued an ultimatum by investors)
Intel Executives: I know! Let's unveil a facial identification service while everyone's wearing a mask!

What could possibly go wrong?🤣

 

[swm]

how about no thank you

minority report feeling intensifies

 

[picciano]

This might actually convince me to start wearing a mask.

 

[Robert.Walter]

Definitely not a fan of this direct surveillance.

 

[Apple_Robert]

I will stick with Apple. In my opinion, they do a great job in this department.

 

[Altivec88]

Ya know, I don't care for Intel either (I think they have been in bed with 3-letter agencies for years, frankly), but the article plainly says that this product performs everything "on device", just like Apple does it. That means "not on someone's server".

For me, it has nothing to do with Intel. I would feel the same if Apple were doing this. I have re-read the article and the only thing I read pertaining to this is "with all facial data processed locally and encrypted". This means your face data is stored on their device, not yours. The key word there is "processed". So that means there is a copy of your face data encrypted and stored on each device that this will work on. So if it has no network ability and is only local, that would mean you would have to set-up and register your face on every single unit you want to use. That would be dumb and defeats the purpose of convenience. What is more probable, which the article does not state, is your face data will also be stored on a central server to feed each of these devices your face data. Either way, As soon as you put your face data on someone else device (server or local), its no longer in your control and you are at the mercy of who ever programmed it.

 

[Darmok N Jalad]

Good to see Intel is using the “Demolition Man” roadmap that many institutions adopted in 2020.

 

[mattopotamus]

Already seen it in Minority Report
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So many things in that movie have happened or are on the verge. Add this to the list. Great movie by the way.

 

[CWallace]

Maybe it will be on your iPhone or encrypted on the chip that is now in most ATM, debit/credit cards. When you put the card in, it now has the data to compare to.

Each device (ATM, Point of Sale, Gate/Door) will need to have your biometric data on it to use for authentication. As these are all disparate devices, they will need a central data repository they can call from and that will be stored in a server somewhere and accessed over the Internet. And then the biometric data itself once created will need to be scanned and then sent to the repository so it can then be shared with each of these devices for authentication purposes.

Rigid encryption and hashes will help secure this data, but it's very nature of being stored in an accessible location and being transmitted over the Internet makes it vulnerable. With Apple's Secure Enclave, this biometric data never leaves the device and the SE is independent of the rest of the system and it's operating system which provides additional layers of security beyond the encryption and hashing that takes place.

And with all the data breaches that have been happening over the past decade, I am not confident in the security and will choose not to use it, as you noted is an option.

 

[Brien]

I assume our physical data for this system will need to be stored in the cloud somewhere since it will need to be accessed by a variety of devices (as opposed to stored only on an individual device like the iPhone's Secure Enclave).

This will open it up to third-party hacking and man-in-the-middle exploits.

So I'll pass, thank you.

Until it becomes mandatory.

 

[HQuest]

Wish more companies were like Intel. Not a single problems on their primary product lines to worry about, being able to give their teams time to play around in fields they are not known for...

 

[Aichon]

FaceID is a great system because it lives exclusively on one of our most personal devices; the personal information it uses is created on-device, stored on-device, and only ever used on-device. For someone to attack you via FaceID, they need to be in physical proximity to you, need to lay hands on your device, and will be limited in how quickly/many attempts they can make.

A network of ATMs has none of those benefits. A network of millions of POS systems has none of those benefits. Moreover, it's clear that your personal information will need to be synced via a cloud service of some sort to each of these scanners at each shop, store, home, or bank where they'll be, potentially even between different companies. To which I reply with an immediate and visceral "hell no".

 

[gnasher729]

I assume our physical data for this system will need to be stored in the cloud somewhere since it will need to be accessed by a variety of devices (as opposed to stored only on an individual device like the iPhone's Secure Enclave).

I read this and strange enough there is an “agree” button that is marked as “like”. I fully agree with you, and I don’t like it one bit.

Yes, the data being stored in the cloud and accessible by every cash terminal is bad. What is also bad is the reader being accessible by anyone, anywhere. The reader in my phone is only available to someone holding the phone, which should be only me.

 

[Apple Knowledge Navigator]

If this became a standard and the technology of the unit was as good as Apple’s, I can’t see why it would be a bad idea.

 

[Pakaku]

This has too much of a creep factor for me.

It'll be another way to track people getting on planes, their travel habits, and their personal lives.

The facial recognition products law enforcement are using are all ready to invasive for my tastes. I'm not talking about the legalities of using it in public. That's a different discussion.

But make no mistake. First it will be billed as being for your protection or your convenience, then it will become a de facto requirement. They will say it's for your convenience, but the requirements to do anything without it will make it almost impossible to travel or conduct commerce without it. Then everyone will just accept it, and that's that.

And no doubt SOMEONE will find a way to monazite it. Otherwise, why bother? Before you know it, you'll be seeing ads for the newest Subaru in your sleep.....

I was expecting this the moment FaceID became a thing on iPhones. Practically *everyone* copies Apple one way or another, and the creep potential from super powerful recognition software like that just seems too alluring for other companies not to copy, one way or another

The only way I'll feel remotely comfortable with this idea is if Intel copies the other half of FaceID, by anonymising the face data the way Apple claims they anonymise data they track and collect. Data breaches don't make much difference if the data itself is useless, after all, but do I really expect any company to play nice like that?

 

[kpeex]

Gee, what could go wrong?

 

[MrDerby01]

Uh.. Intel needs to get their house and processors in order first move away from x86 lol.. ARM!

 

[Maconplasma]

Oh so that's why Intel hasn't been innovating on their fiery furness processors! They've been busy working on face I.D. Got it.