Whiskey Lake is all UHD 620.
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Yeah, my guess is the MacBook Escape becomes the 13-inch MacBook, and ends up with a lesser GPU but better CPU.
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Intel Announces 8th-Generation Whiskey Lake and Amber Lake Processors Suitable for MacBook and MacBook Air
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Whiskey Lake is all UHD 620.
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Yeah, my guess is the MacBook Escape becomes the 13-inch MacBook, and ends up with a lesser GPU but better CPU.
I'd certainly hope to see some double digit gains over a 5 year old, now-is-the-time-to-replace machine. Hell, I just replaced my 5 year old gaming laptop because it was too slow; I can't imagine how slow a 5 year old budget machine would be.
Edit: Wait, yes I can. My dad's budget laptop is something like 6+ and his desktop is 8+.
To be found in 2020 Macs.
With a 2016 cooling solution, to really ensure the throttling feature works...
Q-6
FireWire is dead. Somebody in MarCom just needs to update their approved logos and clip art collection.
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Apple has not used a Core i3 part in 8 years, not that they are bad, I just cannot see it, it doesn’t say premium enough to me, it stranger things have happened. I never thought they would use the m3 in the 12” MacBook, but they did.
It is a slap in the face to Moore and his law but on the other hand, users have come to realize (despite the marketing) that they do not need a new PC every other year so when it's convenient, Intel takes advantage of this fact in the hopes that users will ignore the "five years" part and fixate on the "two times better performance and double-digit gains" part.
To be found in 2020 Macs.
You're a lot more of an optimist than I am. I don't think there will be anymore Macs in 2020
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Intel is just out to lunch and clueless now. Fortunately for the consumer, AMD with their Ryzen chips are blowing Intel out of the water. The stock market tells it all, Intel is languishing while AMD currelty 250% of what it was 6 months ago. Intel thinks "double digit percent gains" over 5 years is something to brag about while they choke on the competition's dust.
My Sony laptop is 10 years old. I still use it and it still works. Can you believe it?
Core 2 Duo T9900 3.06 GHz with 8 GB RAM. If I could set up this machine to allow remote access with my iPad, I would probably keep it for another 5 years.
Doesn't that just show how slow technology has become? Not counting SSDs
Compare this to a decade ago. Would you still be able to even use a desktop made in 2000 in the year 2010? My 2010 Mac Pro is just as fast as my 2017 iMac when dealing with h.264 footage. It is a little faster in some cases. However, I am finally retiring it just so I can move to HEVC files to lower my file sizes.
How does a CPU have "built-in support for voice services like Alexa and Cortana"?
I'm not questioning it, just wondering how hardware support can help.
I'm not questioning it, just wondering how hardware support can help.
My Sony laptop is 10 years old. I still use it and it still works. Can you believe it?
Core 2 Duo T9900 3.06 GHz with 8 GB RAM.
My Mac mini is 8 years old. Core 2 Duo 2.4GHz with 16GB RAM, 128GB SSD for the OS and programs, 750GB HDD for data (replaces the optical drive). It's my main computer.
The laptop controlling my desktop CNC, a ThinkPad 760XL, is 21 years old and uses an old MS-DOS program called TurboCNC.
If something works for your needs, why replace it?
I hear what you’re saying, I just have a hard time thinking they’ll release an all-quad 13” lineup at $999 when the 13” MBP quads are $1,799. And rMP at $1,299 is only dual, and 12”.
Sure the MBP is better, faster, stronger. But given the choice of a new rumored 13” Retina quad core for $999 and a 13” Retina quad core MBP for $1,799, most would probably choose the much less expensive one.
Like many entry level configs, it would be there to make a price point. It’s fast enough and there would be attractive upgrade options with i5/i7 quads.
That’s my thinking, but like the Mac mini it’ll probably be a mystery until they deliver. As usual, there are few leaks with any real detail outside of iPhone/iPad.
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Because most people don't buy a new laptop every year. Both my wife and I have 2013 Macbook Airs. My brother has a 2012 Macbook Air. So the five year comparison is actually quite relevant to us. I remember seeing NPD data confirms this - most consumers upgrade their personal computers about once every 5 years today, give or take.
Nobody I know buys a new computer every other year, unless they’re buying cheap plastic $349 Windows laptops that might not even make it that long.
Many don’t even buy phones every other year anymore. It has less to do with the pace of year to year improvements and more to do with “fast enough”. For many, computers since maybe 2010-2012 are fast enough for what they do with them. Four to five years is a reasonable replacement cycle.
For iPhones, 6S/SE from 2015/16 is the beginning of the fast-enough era (due to the 2 GB of RAM in large part). iOS 11 works well with them, and by all accounts iOS 12 is noticeably faster. Staying with iOS 12 should give 6S/SE users another 3 years. (And prolong the life of the iPad mini 4 until it’s hopefully refreshed, to go even further off topic.)
It’s a number of things.
This chip could have been designed 3 to 4 years ago but was held back to max profits on existing chip/set
This chip may be a shrink that ended up failing at full speed and wattage but did well with a lower power.
In regards to die size, functionality, the number of layers, power and expected performance come into the cost.
If intel can shoot on 14nm and go through 4 shrinks, the yields are insane. Insane yields equate to huge profits.
For Intel to move to 7nm for all their new products (processors) they would go broke, shooting 6 to 8 layers.
Another crazy thing. The chip/set going in this article, and many others, may have been custom for a certain customer at one point. But something changed and the customer may not have wanted it.
You may be surprised at the chip technology inside the iPhone and iPad. Some of those chips are made on very old processes.
I've seen a bunch of people with the antique cMBP still. People are not so inclined to upgrade if what they've got still works for them. Probably a saner approach, to be completely honest.
Make that 10 years as Tim isn’t very keen on updating the Apple museum of “What was a computer”
I've been reading more about this rollout, trying to read between the lines. It appears that Whiskey is just the same Kaby-Refresh CPU die combined with a new PCH. Similarly, Amber is a Kaby die combined with the (same) new PCH.
There is a possibility that Amber is on a revised 14mm process relative to Kaby. (Kaby-R was already on the revised process.) The Amber pricing model suggests this - the different speed grades now have different prices. Previously, Y-series dies were just specially qualified 15W GT2 U-series dies. Dies that didn't make the Y-series cut could just be sold as U-series. Differing prices imply a reduced remarketability.
What other dies could be paired with the new PCH? Could an Iris Plus Kaby be thusly upgraded? Would there even be a market? With Apple being the primary purchaser of Iris Plus, If Apple doesn't want such a chip, then there's no reason for Intel to offer it.
Far better batt life, smaller bezels, reliable keyboards, faster processors, better screens, more ports, would surely change that
(but hey..., why challenge iPad sales in the iPlay strategy for mass markets of donkey-Pro’s ?)
Do not know about you, but I was floored by the in-chip I/O integration provided by iNTEL's closely-coupled PCH (Platform Controller Hub)
The Mother of all Hubs: DSP, LAN/MAC, WiFi/MAC, TB 3.0 [which requires external controller], USB 3.1 and 3.0 plus other lanes I don't presume to know.
The Mother of all Hubs: DSP, LAN/MAC, WiFi/MAC, TB 3.0 [which requires external controller], USB 3.1 and 3.0 plus other lanes I don't presume to know.
I'm not disputing that but we don't compare specs from the computer we had 5 years ago when we are shopping for a new one. We compare them to last year's model.
I wonder how these chips will compared to my 2012 MacBook Pro Retina 15" with its quad core i7... I'm thinking about downsizing for work. On occasion I do the odd 1080p video editing and photo editing...
Yeah I do, sorry - I meant USB-C. Thanks for the correction.
So many standards! So many acronyms! Sometimes it’s hard to keep up...
Wow I was about to erase your second quoted comment because it wasn't directed at me and I didn't read it until after writing this:
It would be interesting if they switched it up and did 12"/14" variants with reduced bezels because 11" is pretty small for a MacBook.
After reading your second comment, I'm wondering if they would really do 2TB on the MBA since that's what the Pro maxes out at. They need more ways to differentiate the two for marketing. Doubt it would have TouchBar, but perhaps they could do the T2 since that handles other functions now like encryption to make it more secure? Another idea is they could implement Face ID and tie that into the T2, but I feel like that could add extra price and Apple may already be pushing the limits for production on the three new iPhone models featuring it along with the iPad Pros. But the mass production should bring down the cost to make the module so it could show up. As for me I don't care either way because my Apple Watch unlocks my Mac just as well.