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Intel Announces Full Lineup of Kaby Lake Processors for iMac, MacBook Pro, and More

hiddenmarkov said:
This really.

And some of the advances they may not even see. I find the only way to see a few ghz increases is to slam the system a good while. This is where those.3 ghz can be seen. Like me running R analysis on large data sets. I can throw in time metric code. And over the years for some vanilla stuff yeah I see time saved. Analysis that was 12 minutes 3 years ago is now 11 minutes. Barring major rewrites of R or package....new proc saves some time but not OMFG amounts depending on outlook.

Put another you are seeing maybe millisecond improvements as time goes on. To see these better....you need to run something with a lot of milliseconds to see the benefit.

Also I think one of intel's hold ups is heat. I recall one bleeding edge processor they released once met mixed reception. Its new, its fast...yeah!. But um, yeah, intel could you not have this run so hot I can cook chicken (to perfection) in my pc tower please? was a comment made...quite a few times.

Could intel release more often? I'd say yes. Will the common user be down to do massive cooling upgrades to run is the question. Apple side...for good or bad the ultra quiet nature of them is now a hallmark of the apple ecosystem.

See it wasn't just people running stockish systems saying damn she is hot, literally. These were the hard core pc master race members...modded cases for good temps, the whole 9 yards.
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Wait, I thought TDP does not matter regarding performance?
 
Mr. Dee said:
The new Macs are already obsolete less than two months with an announcement like this. Then again, Apple couldn't wait any longer. Expect updates in March for the MacBook Pro. Apple should have just said, we are waiting on Kaby Lake, give us until March, it will be worth it. Then again, who am I to talk, I am not even in the market for a new Mac. But for those who just spent 4 grand, this probably leaves a bit of a bad taste, since buyers in March will be getting a better deal just for waiting a bit longer.
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So your car is also absolute with the new models coming out every year?

Such backwards thinking.
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hiddenmarkov said:
This really.

And some of the advances they may not even see. I find the only way to see a few ghz increases is to slam the system a good while. This is where those.3 ghz can be seen. Like me running R analysis on large data sets. I can throw in time metric code. And over the years for some vanilla stuff yeah I see time saved. Analysis that was 12 minutes 3 years ago is now 11 minutes. Barring major rewrites of R or package....new proc saves some time but not OMFG amounts depending on outlook.

Put another you are seeing maybe millisecond improvements as time goes on. To see these better....you need to run something with a lot of milliseconds to see the benefit.

Also I think one of intel's hold ups is heat. I recall one bleeding edge processor they released once met mixed reception. Its new, its fast...yeah!. But um, yeah, intel could you not have this run so hot I can cook chicken (to perfection) in my pc tower please? was a comment made...quite a few times.

Could intel release more often? I'd say yes. Will the common user be down to do massive cooling upgrades to run is the question. Apple side...for good or bad the ultra quiet nature of them is now a hallmark of the apple ecosystem.

See it wasn't just people running stockish systems saying damn she is hot, literally. These were the hard core pc master race members...modded cases for good temps, the whole 9 yards.
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I think the biggest + of the new processors is HEVC support though.
 
KPOM said:
Remember how that original MacBook Air used to overheat so much it had to shut down a core? Remember how much criticism that original MacBook Air had gotten from people who couldn't believe a notebook that was missing such a critical feature as a SuperDrive (and had only one USB port) started at $1800? Remember how in October 2010 Steve Jobs introduced a 13" MacBook Pro with 2 year-old virtually obsolete Core 2 Duo chips when Windows competitors were adopting the original Core i5 and i7?

Steve Jobs should never had mentioned "working with Intel" to get that chip first for the MacBook Air. It was essentially a cut-down version of an existing chip and no one else used it, as I recall. Apple has almost always adopted chips later than the rest of the industry.
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The point being made was not that the original MacBook Air was amazing because of the collababoration with Intel to create a custom version of the processor. It was the fact that the collaboration happened.
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satchmo said:
This is confusing. Are you assuming a new 13" form factor which is different from today's 13" MBP?
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Why would that be confusing and how have you come to that conclusion?
The Touch Bar 13" MacBook Pros use 28W processors, and they are saying that the 7th gen 28W processors will likely be used in the 2017 models.
 
Meanwhile the same day Intel released them Dell announced updated models out later this week with them for most of their entire lineup. Its inexcusable how much Apple neglects their personal computer lineup.
 
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Lankyman said:
What :eek: I have been using Windows for the last 20 years and I don't have any bloatware and I'm still waiting for one of these viruses you mention. Have I been doing something wrong? :rolleyes: P.S. this is in addition to my Mac.

Perhaps you have spent too much time on porn sites, hence the viruses? :p
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Yeah I've been using windows for 20 years too – and Windows is notorious for bloatware and viruses. What are you smoking?
 
El Burro said:
Yeah I've been using windows for 20 years too – and Windows is notorious for bloatware and viruses. What are you smoking?
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Closer to 30 years in my case. I haven't used a virus checker on my PC in well over a decade and have yet to encounter any viruses. That's the difference between notoriety and reality.
 
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brendu said:
These chips are not for Mac Pro. It is still stuck waiting. Even skylake chips for Mac Pro aren't yet available. I don't know what Apple can do for it other than updating it with two year old chips to replace the 4 year old chips it is currently using.
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Could you elaborate? Where is such information about chips for Mac Pro (available and future Kaby Lake)?
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beaker7 said:
No.

v2 was Ivy Bridge (still sold in Mac Pro)
v3 was Haswell
v4 was Broadwell
v5 is Skylake, eta Q3-ish 2017.
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Where is such information from? Links?
 
To give the devices up to a month of battery life and a nod to the Apple II they will run at 1mhz. Yeah we wont see these in a Apple product until 2019 at the earliest. I think Apple gets their cpus from the Intel bargain bin at the factory.
 
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Vjosullivan said:
Closer to 30 years in my case. I haven't used a virus checker on my PC in well over a decade and have yet to encounter any viruses. That's the difference between notoriety and reality.
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The problem is, on Windows, one mistake and you are done. I miss typed when wanting to get Filezilla a few years ago, I got sent to a page and got so many pieces of malware. Even with AV software, stuff was still around. Only a format and reinstall is the solution, and quickest too if you follow correct backup procedures.
 
jonnysods said:
I'm wondering if that was a Steve thing, because I do remember that happening quite a bit, just not with GPUs.
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That's because Steve Jobs gave a damn about COMPUTERS. No one left at Apple does. I don't care what they say publicly, it's clear by their actions that the Apple "BrainTrust" despises computers. Macintosh is treated like an albatross around their necks.
 
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Since1987 said:
That's because Steve Jobs gave a damn about COMPUTERS. No one left at Apple does. I don't care what they say publicly, it's clear by their actions that the Apple "BrainTrust" despises computers. Macintosh is treated like an albatross around their necks.
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I'm with you, and I'm deeply concerned about the next 2-3 years. Watching the MBP get gutted has been very alarming.
 
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Marx55 said:
Thanks, albeit that is from September 2015. Any chance of Intel Xeon Kaby Lake for Mac Pro in 2017?
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There's always a chance.


They haven't bothered updating the Mac Pro with either of the previous 2 generations of suitable Xeon's though, so it's anyone's guess when or if they will be updated again.
 
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fourthtunz said:
I was looking at the cheap dells on Amazon, no doubt the bang for the buck is there but and windoz 10 is better but
you still have to deal with bloatware, viruses etc..I think that Macs outclass PCs because of windoz :)
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You can build your own PC, or go with other makes.. which may work out cheaper than a Dell. Certainly cheaper than an iMac.. its with spinning 5400rpm Hard disk. ( the lowest spec ) and eye watering memory upgrade costs!

As for viruses - you really mean "malware".. not much of an issue really - people like to turn into drama queens on this issue.

Mac/OSX - outclass Windows - well, depends what your doing of course.... neither one excels at everything.
 
xWhiplash said:
Yeah the exact same employees making watch bands and headphones build computers too. I hate these ridiculous arguments.
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A computer company with 90,000 employees hasn't updated their desktops in years. You know why? Because they are a gadget/fashion company now. That transition involves shutting down their display division, shutting down their networking division, shutting down their pro photo editing software division, and just as well for Final Cut Pro X (released in 2011). Hate to break it to you but Apple has a better chance of developing a iOS integrated hair bonnet than they have developing a robust computing product line.
 
pkissel said:
Maybe it's time for Apple to push out products that augment the CPU inside. I would still be interested in a monitor for my MBP with an powerful GPU.
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Yes, I think it would be worth a try for Apple to create a monitor that has built in GPUs. Then CPU integrated GPUs would then be ok to have in their laptops and have macOS switch to the external monitors GPU for video intensive stuff. Then video editors and gamers would have a better platform...

Just a thought of course...
 
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