May be that silicone has reached its known limit. May not be Intel's fault either. Technology peaks at some time, maybe we have seen it with CPUs...?
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Intel Announces Full Lineup of Kaby Lake Processors for iMac, MacBook Pro, and More
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May be that silicone has reached its known limit. May not be Intel's fault either. Technology peaks at some time, maybe we have seen it with CPUs...?
Don't expect Apple to be in a hurry to implement these. The problem is they will end up with the same dissatisfied users as they have with the MBP, there is little real performance advantage in the CPU's. Some of the GPU offerings are great but not everybody is interested in that especially if they want a discreet GPU.
In the end this release demonstrates just how vulnerable Apple is to Intel's lackluster product line up. Basically we are seeing less than 5% (sometimes far less) increases in CPU performance form one release to the next. It has basically been 4 years now that Intel CPU's have been stagnate.
We have hit the wall of the time continuum vortex and confluence point where the future meets the present.. LOL!
It isn't that simple really. The big problem is that Intel has decide to focus on things other than the desktop, they are looking long and hard at the Internet of Things (IoT) and vehicle automation. Intel could not compete with ARM in low power so I have no idea how they expect to compete with ARM in the IoT.
To put it another way Intel is a boat at sail without a captain that can navigate.
i remember the pricey slow original macbook air, and it has throttling issue when in use even for only 20 minutes of watching videos especially flash youtube video.
Sorry...this statement is to logical for Macrumors....
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Thanks for the info.
I wish they would have the base Mac Pro with this 7700K and D300s for about $2000. I would be all over that. I don't need a Xeon, just a powerful headless Mac.
Or you could replace your comment with: I don't want to waste my hard-earned money on these average quality and obscenely expensive Apple products since they keep offering outdated hardware at premium prices..." Blah, blah, blah
I love Apple and will keep buying their products (for the time being at least), but when they lose their vision (just like it's happening now) they become just another subpar and greedy company.
Apple is at no advantage or disadvantage because of this.
Other computer vendors are in the same boat here. thing is some others start to look elsewhere.
rez that dead horse again (feel sorry for that dead horse too lol)....32 gb RAM. A quick way to leverage current CPU power...faster medium to process data on. Applications that can leverage large amounts of memory grow in number. Others while waiting, like apple does as well, have said well lets start rolling this out.
Video options are getting diverse (muscling in 1060 and 1080, symbolic of beefy cards). enter open CL or cuda....when intel is not floating your boat video card makers say you know we could take some of that load off in the meantime.
Both of these aren't coexisting with apple's anorexic build mindset that needs to run 10 hours off battery. That is ultimately limiting them imo. Which is kind of funny...one cause of 2016's power issue seems to be the system is staying on the dgpu and not faling over to the basic onboard one in some cases off house power.
Darkly humorous that...how do you get 10 hours battery Apple?
Not running the okay but not uber AMD.
So we could have had a better card with more open CL cores then since in theory off house power its not even used, right?
Umm....look at the touchbar? Its so nice and snazzy.
There are MANY things that need to be upgraded in the Mac Pro, outside of the CPU. A decent GPU would be a good start. (GTX 1080 or Titan Pascal, maybe?). Also: Thunderbolt 3, PCIe, expandability. Basically, all I'm saying is that Apple shouldn't need to wait for Intel to freaking release an updated Mac Pro already.
Read again:
"According to Intel, Kaby Lake will bring "double digit productivity performance increases" of up to 20 percent for gaming notebooks and 25 percent for desktops, compared to 2013 Haswell chips from Intel's prior release cycle."
The 25% is in comparison to (almost) 4 year old chips from 2013. Reviews have already found that the IPC improvement over 2015's Skylake chips is zero, but Kaby Lake processors will generally be clocked slightly higher than their Skylake equivalents and feature some hardware video decoder improvements that may improve battery life when watching certain types of videos.
At this point it's mostly for the OS. If I can build a laptop that's hackintosh compatible, that'll most likely be my next computer.
basically. Other workstation makers haven't said oh well...you know, intel, what can we do.
I think the intel bit just a red herring really. the apologists way out. Yeah its intel..they are the reason.
here enters the debate of why PC workstations can be more appealing. Nvidia or amd in 2 years spurts, if not yearly will make better stuff. More cores usually a good bet, or at least better core performance.
Your PC workstation has 4 years meet ROI lets say for arguments sake. Intel as the apologists are saying is slow. Why aren't PC worskstation people up in arms? they can buy a new video card at the 2 year mark.
Nice jump from say low 900 series to the 1080. ride that out for your ROI obligation. Want to save costs on the new build...rerun that 1080 an option too.
Intel is slow on release, for everyone, so its not intel's evil plan to screw over apple users only. 1080 or AMD equivalent comes out they at least get that. next year it could be the say 2080...and we will see the 1080's drop to the bargain sale shelf. How I use to upgrade my pc systems....bleeding edge and pricey as hell year of release is next years priced to sell purchase I picked up for waaay less.
Are we talking about CPUs or breast implants?
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I can see it now - people needing to keep their "wireless" keyboard connected to a lighting cable in order to charge the touchbar screen.
That would be magical.
Maybe it's time for Apple to push out products that augment the CPU inside. I would still be interested in a monitor for my MBP with an powerful GPU.
Ironically, exactly this information led me to finally buy a 15in MBP today. There will be nothing exciting being released for the next 18 months IMHO. I looked at the Dell XPS but it looks like battery life is a dog and reliability of electronic parts is sometimes disappointing despite the premium materials of the chassis - can't see that being a better machine in the end. Also my colleagues have found battery life to be fine on their MBP's - consistent between machines so any problems will be software related and therefore not a show stopper.
I am not happy by any means with having to fork out the big $$'s for this underwhelming update of a laptop, but the competition continues to underperform, so now I wait for my hip pocket to stop bleeding.
I'm beginning to think that the majority of MacRumors members are just old enough to buy their first computer and haven't been observing this cycle over the past three decades. The performance upgrade in these new chips is estimated to be in the 5% range from their immediate predecessors, it is not a life changing advancement in computer technology.
This really.
And some of the advances they may not even see. I find the only way to see a few ghz increases is to slam the system a good while. This is where those.3 ghz can be seen. Like me running R analysis on large data sets. I can throw in time metric code. And over the years for some vanilla stuff yeah I see time saved. Analysis that was 12 minutes 3 years ago is now 11 minutes. Barring major rewrites of R or package....new proc saves some time but not OMFG amounts depending on outlook.
Put another you are seeing maybe millisecond improvements as time goes on. To see these better....you need to run something with a lot of milliseconds to see the benefit.
Also I think one of intel's hold ups is heat. I recall one bleeding edge processor they released once met mixed reception. Its new, its fast...yeah!. But um, yeah, intel could you not have this run so hot I can cook chicken (to perfection) in my pc tower please? was a comment made...quite a few times.
Could intel release more often? I'd say yes. Will the common user be down to do massive cooling upgrades to run is the question. Apple side...for good or bad the ultra quiet nature of them is now a hallmark of the apple ecosystem.
See it wasn't just people running stockish systems saying damn she is hot, literally. These were the hard core pc master race members...modded cases for good temps, the whole 9 yards.