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Ironically, exactly this information led me to finally buy a 15in MBP today. There will be nothing exciting being released for the next 18 months IMHO. I looked at the Dell XPS but it looks like battery life is a dog and reliability of electronic parts is sometimes disappointing despite the premium materials of the chassis - can't see that being a better machine in the end. Also my colleagues have found battery life to be fine on their MBP's - consistent between machines so any problems will be software related and therefore not a show stopper.

I am not happy by any means with having to fork out the big $$'s for this underwhelming update of a laptop, but the competition continues to underperform, so now I wait for my hip pocket to stop bleeding.

God if you're right I really hope my mid-2012 rMBP will last another 18 months. Hope you find some peace and maybe some level of enjoyment from your new MBP.
 
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God if you're right I really hope my mid-2012 rMBP will last another 18 months. Hope you find some peace and maybe some level of enjoyment from your new MBP.
To be honest I know I will miss magsafe and the better and quieter key travel of the older MBP, and maybe it will seem faster, though for nearly 10 years now I have not felt any frustration with slowness in any laptop I've owned. I really do think the Apple company has hit a rough patch when it comes to imagination since the loss of Steve Jobs.
 
It isn't that simple really. The big problem is that Intel has decide to focus on things other than the desktop, they are looking long and hard at the Internet of Things (IoT) and vehicle automation. Intel could not compete with ARM in low power so I have no idea how they expect to compete with ARM in the IoT.

To put it another way Intel is a boat at sail without a captain that can navigate.

Not true at all. Intel is just drip-feeding the industry with incremental updates as it's all the industry really needs. They've been getting away with it for 7 generations of the current CPU architecture and it will continue for the next 3-4+ years.

What you will see in Q1 2018 is the first 6 Core CPU's aimed at the general consumer (Coffee Lake). Perhaps 6 and even 8 Cores will become mainstream in a few years time and Dual Core CPU's will be obsolete in favour of 4 Core processors.

Intel is working on the next generation architecture of processors (replacement for the current Core i3/i5/i7 etc) but that will not arrive until around 2021/2022.

People often complain about Intel and their products, but why? Processors become more frugal with power each year, there's more than enough power (and has been for the last 5 years). The only thing Intel can really do is keep working on improving the integrated graphics and increase the Core count, which is long overdue and due in a years time.
 
Apple has almost forgotten that mac users too need to experience VR, i am fed up of trailing behind everyone in terms of technology. Even the android boys in the industry get to use latest technology and Apple has become a company that is lacking in innovation and failing to deliver the products of the future and still charging a premium for 2 yr old technology. I hope the next refresh cycle has extremely powerful GPU's along with the aforementioned Kaby Lake CPU's. I would have been happier if Apple would have included a good GPU with good cooling even in the current lineup instead of thinning the macbook pro and reducing the upgradeability prospects to zero It is such a shame that Oculus VR CEO, has openly said None of the current mac lineups even in the top end are capable enough to deliver the high end VR Experience thus they haven't considered supporting Mac's.
 
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There have been 32GiB DDR4 SODIMM modules since at least last month.

Can Kaby Lake support 64GiB with 2 of those?

What about Skylake, undocumented support?
 
I don't suppose that along with the top speed 7920HQ processor, Apple would consider bringing out a heavyweight super pro version of the 15" MBP for media professionals, with a decent suite of USB-C/Thunderbolt 3, USB3A, HDMI, and SD card slot ports, so that horrible dongles/port emulators with their attendant power supplies could be consigned to the dustbin, from which they should never have re-emerged after we got rid of them ten years ago. That of course would mean that they were admitting to an error which greatly angered many of their longest term and most loyal users.
 
This is the whole problem Intel (and Apple) are facing. If you read a bit more you'll find Intel claims the S-series i7-7700K CPU is 25 percent faster than the i7-4770K. - That's 25% gain in 3 years for the desktop chips. The laptop chips are even worse at 20% improvement. Why would anyone with a working 2013 computer upgrade for that? Processing power increases are grinding to a halt...

BUT BUT BUT the computers do not have the latest generation processors. Therefore, Apple sucks!
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Which is why people need to stop complaining so much. For 90% of Mac users the current processor lineup is plenty powerful. The issues with the Mac are more about the ports being updated and the desktops still using ancient hard drives that slow your computer much more than a new processor will help speed it up.

Yes, agreed! Hopefully soon SSDs will be the standard.
 
Apple should be announcing their new iMacs yesterday, with release circa Feb 1st.

They won't be doing much work on design, so they could have already engineered everything to go when the chips arrive.
Same for the mini, unless they do redesign the exterior. They should do a major overhaul and make the mini into something 1/3rd the current size.
 
Once they are released, reviewers will discover that the Skylake tbMBP are in some tests a bit faster than the new Kabylake processors.
 
The new chips are marginally better than the older ones. They are maybe 25% faster than the chips from 4 generations ago. Apple needs to focus on updating the macs but new processors are literally the least important component to be upgraded.
The new processors have new hardware coded codecs for media, it's not all top speed.
 
Ironically, exactly this information led me to finally buy a 15in MBP today. There will be nothing exciting being released for the next 18 months IMHO. I looked at the Dell XPS but it looks like battery life is a dog and reliability of electronic parts is sometimes disappointing despite the premium materials of the chassis - can't see that being a better machine in the end. Also my colleagues have found battery life to be fine on their MBP's - consistent between machines so any problems will be software related and therefore not a show stopper.

I am not happy by any means with having to fork out the big $$'s for this underwhelming update of a laptop, but the competition continues to underperform, so now I wait for my hip pocket to stop bleeding.

The bias in your post is all too obvious. You should be writing ads for Apple.

While you continue to be stuck with your underwhelming, overpriced 2016 MBP, I'm actually looking forward to the new Kaby Lake Dell XPS 15. The specs look phenomenal and while I can't enter into an argument about battery life on it, I can say that I don't need 10 hours of battery and that any powerful portable needs an AC outlet close by anyway. It's physics. No MBP with performance parts will last long on battery when performing at peak either. As far as reliability, I am a long time Dell owner and am very happy with quality of their XPS and Latitude products.

The competition is far from underperforming.
 
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Hey, the COOL thing is that you can actually put a VERY MODERN Video Card in that Mac Pro, and point a large middle finger at the world! Afterall, you are in possession of a rarity: An UPGRADEABLE Mac!!! Might as well take advantage of your good fortune!!!

I know this, because, a couple of weeks ago, I was helping out a friend diagnose an ailing 2008 Mac Pro with a bad video card (and a bad RAID drive), and before we decided to try sticking the video card (NVidia GTX8800) in the oven to fix it (which worked!!!), I found a site that specialized in recommending and selling "Mac-Flashed" Video Cards of VERY recent (like Present-Day!) vintage, for use in 2008-2012 Mac Pros. Both NVidia and ATi/AMD Cards (and maybe even others) were offered, and the site I found would even "Re-Flash" a "PC" Version of other video cards so they would work properly (show video) during the initial stages of OS X/MacOS boot-up.

Just do a little Googling for your "vintage" of Mac Pro, and you will be ASTOUNDED at the number of Options!

Even if you DON'T need 4k, it sure is nice to have a video card that can handle a "Pro" video-load.

Not officially supported no. NVIDIA GTX 680 was the last video card to be officially supported by the classic Mac Pro system. I do have a GTX 980 in mine, but it is a hack due to using the GTX 680 drivers. I have had a few issues come up recently due to that. It is disappointing :(

I agree that even a GTX 680 is better than that crap ATI 5770 I had when my Mac Pro was ordered! I just hope there are no big issues with me using my GTX 980. That will be a disappointing day!
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Been reading on all the new laptops announced at CES, it seems that Kaby Lake laptops are coming out of the wazoo their are so many, plus a lot with Nvidia's new GTX1050 and 1050Ti graphics cards (I bet they beat the AMD 'Pro' 450 and 460 in performance), Dell has already updated the entire Alienware laptop lineup with Kaby Lake...

And Apple? If we're lucky I guess they'll upgrade to Kaby Lake in October? That should allow them to fully maximise the profit margin as per usual.
What was the point in launching a laptop in October if Intel and other manufactures were going to launch Kaby Lake now? Seriously what was the point....??? What they didn't think people could wait two or three more months on top the two years?

And as for those on here defending this claiming it's ok they aren't that much faster, that's fine, so you don't mind spending several THOUSAND of pounds or dollars for old technology when you could spend several HUNDRED for the latest technology?

Let's see what happens in a couple of months, but I won't be surprised in the slightest if Apple do not fit Kaby Lake into it's overpriced laptops till October.

Meh this is a good write up of Apples current Mac business:

http://www.techradar.com/news/the-mac-in-2017-the-last-gasp-for-apples-desktop

Um....so? Gaming performance wise a $1,000 Titan beats a $5,000 Quadro. NVIDIA still has absolutely horrible OpenCL performance compared to AMD.
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Watch bands and headphones.

Yeah the exact same employees making watch bands and headphones build computers too. I hate these ridiculous arguments.
 
Depends what the task is... A "windows PC" can seriously outclass the top of the range iMac in terms of graphics performance.

Edit: and cheaper too!
I was looking at the cheap dells on Amazon, no doubt the bang for the buck is there but and windoz 10 is better but
you still have to deal with bloatware, viruses etc..I think that Macs outclass PCs because of windoz :)
 
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The only thing LPDDR3 has over DDR4 is standby time (lid closed). DDR4 is faster and consumes about the same power in the active state.

LP is also significantly smaller and requires a LOT less space overall. LPDDR3 takes up a fraction of the space.
Can you imagine having to put 2 full SO-DIMM modules inside the Macbook? It would take up more than half the motherboard space.

Considering most devices are always on now days, standby power usage plays a pretty big role.
The standby power consumption difference is also fairly significant.
 
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I was looking at the cheap dells on Amazon, no doubt the bang for the buck is there but and windoz 10 is better but
you still have to deal with bloatware, viruses etc..I think that Macs outclass PCs because of windoz :)

What :eek: I have been using Windows for the last 20 years and I don't have any bloatware and I'm still waiting for one of these viruses you mention. Have I been doing something wrong? :rolleyes: P.S. this is in addition to my Mac.

Perhaps you have spent too much time on porn sites, hence the viruses? :p
 
Not true at all. Intel is just drip-feeding the industry with incremental updates as it's all the industry really needs. They've been getting away with it for 7 generations of the current CPU architecture and it will continue for the next 3-4+ years.

What you will see in Q1 2018 is the first 6 Core CPU's aimed at the general consumer (Coffee Lake). Perhaps 6 and even 8 Cores will become mainstream in a few years time and Dual Core CPU's will be obsolete in favour of 4 Core processors.

Intel is working on the next generation architecture of processors (replacement for the current Core i3/i5/i7 etc) but that will not arrive until around 2021/2022.

People often complain about Intel and their products, but why? Processors become more frugal with power each year, there's more than enough power (and has been for the last 5 years). The only thing Intel can really do is keep working on improving the integrated graphics and increase the Core count, which is long overdue and due in a years time.
Good info! It'll be interesting to see how AMD and Apples own processors figure in to all this?
Someones smart should make a joke about current processors in the MacBook being so slow they're called
Coffee break :) Sorry, I don't think that but though I'd throw it in there :)
 
As I recall, over 20 years ago, when new chips were announced, new Thinkpad and MBP were updated immediately.
 
What :eek: I have been using Windows for the last 20 years and I don't have any bloatware and I'm still waiting for one of these viruses you mention. Have I been doing something wrong? :rolleyes: P.S. this is in addition to my Mac.

Perhaps you have spent too much time on porn sites, hence the viruses? :p
Ha Ha, no I was speaking of my FRIENDS Pcs!! I have to help them figure out how to get them going again..
yep, its probably the porn!
 
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