Intel Apple Laptop In January?

[nagromme]

I think this would be a very unlikely situation, the only way you would send a virus would be if you recieved an attatchment with a virus (like a dodgy word macro or something) and fowarded it on. I'd like to think most people are smart enough to avoid such an event without the help of a virus checker

They're not I get viruses sent to me all the time. Not by people but BY viruses.

In other words, somebody I once knew got a virus, it harvested my email address from some file, and sent itself to me and everyone else. This happens to me a lot. And of course, does me no harm since I use a Mac.

The thing is, WHY on earth would I forward such a useless email to anyone else? I would have no reason to. So the buck stops here, with no anti-virus software needed.

The only way I could ever forward a virus to a Windows user is if someone sent me a REAL, useful, personal email--and accidentally attached a virus... and then I had some reason to forward that email to some third person. But even then, I'd see the attachment. I'd have a heads-up and not go forwarding a mystery attachment.

 

[Dm84]

Ubuntu has a version for PPC, i dont understand why binary incompatiability would be a problem, you can always compile from the source

It's easier said than done for most people. To make matters worse, instead of simply compiling the source, you have to re-compile all sorts of dependencies that aren't pre-compiled for PPC, and those dependencies require you to compile other dependencies. Before you know it compiling all those dependencies that are required in order to re-compile that one program can drag on for days or weeks, if you ever get it to compile at all.

Compiling Linux apps for PPC can become a total nightmare, unless you get off on that sort of stuff.

 

[BillyShears]

They may have a subnotebook called iBook nano.

 

[golfstud]

I'm gonna say that the powerbook gets the intel chips first. Why? Every time a new chip comes out the powerbook gets it. G4? The ibook still had the G3.

MacTruck...I like your reasoning. If you are right..then NO new IBOOKS or Powerbooks at MWSF. Only the MINI.

Why? The apps still are not ready for PB users. FCP, Photoshop, etc.
(unless ROSETTA is really stable and FAST, which I don't think it is)

Final Cut and Photoshop rock on a mac because of their stability...they just work. Powerbook users use these apps and more..I'm thinking now of the music guys that need Pro Tools and or Logic to fly.

MWSF is a consumer show and has been more so the last 2 years. BUT..we did see new Powerbooks there what??...4 years ago.

hmmm.

 

[AidenShaw]

this is a joke post, right?

The powerbook will have the dothan core and the ibook will have the G4 1.67ghz or the new 7448 moto chip.

This doesn't make sense, by January all the other Intel laptop makers will be using dual-core Yonah chips - Apple will look silly with a Dothan as their flagship laptop.

Apple can no longer be "independent" with their hardware releases, all the others will be shipping newer and faster chips on the day that they're released - Apple won't be able to wait months for a convenient venue where Jobs can stand in the spotlight and "surprise" y'all with a new Mac.

Then 3 months later ... the ibook will get the 1.73 dothan shortly therafter. All while this is happening the mac mini will get the 1.73 and 2ghz dothan chips and the new DVR functionality with front row.

Reasonable - since Apple's been telling developers that there will be Dothan systems.

It's also possible for the iBook and MiniMac to get Dothans at MWSF - if the PB has the dual-core Yonah then there's a real difference in "power" for the PB.

After about 3 months the mac mini will go yohan at 2ghz. With these mini enhancements nobody will think twice about moving to an intel mini, its just to compelling not to.

Except, that this means that the MiniMac will cream the iMac, and give the dual-core PowerMacs some real competition. Only the quad-core would be clearly faster than a MiniMac.

There won't be a problem with pro systems going intel because they will launch the pro software simultaneously. Adobe will also release its intel versions right away as well and everybody else will follow suit shortly thereafter.

Certainly not what Adobe says, nor anyone else who's working with CodeWarrior or has their own legacy cross-platform libraries.

Nobody will have to wait for virtual pc because apple will realeas an application to run windows natively on a seperate core while using osx. Its been shown before and is technically possible so apple will make this there largest selling point in the switch. This will be a wow factor for many people and will propell the intel transition.

Unlikely, at least so soon. There's also the little issue that if Windows is running in a VT virtual machine, OSX will be too (VT is underneath the OS). This would make Apple's hardware lock much easier to break....

(BTW, "run on a separate core" is not the way it works - OSX and Windows could run together on a single-core chip using VT.)

Expect the G5 to move to dual dual core pentium Ds right away as well.

I assume by "G5" you mean PowerMac....

I also assume that by "Pentium D" you mean a dual-core Xeon (you can't run dual Pentium D chips).

IMO Apple should release a tower system with x86 chips - as a supported transition system that will be sold alongside the PPC towers for as long as PPC is needed. These could be a dual-core Pentium D (single chip), or dual-dual Xeons. The Netburst chips could be retired as soon as Conroe chips are ready.

Developers need dual processor systems for testing the x86 pro apps....

What - no wild and crazy prediction about the iMac and iPod???

 

[Lacero]

What - no wild and crazy prediction about the iMac and iPod???

Well, the iMac was just updated, and iPod updates are always a given.

Here's to the Crazy Ones ​

 

[RichCoder]

Pardon the soapbox

I was excited about the move to Intel processors from the begining. It's interesting to see that everyone is now excited about it as well. But when the announcement came, most posters thought the world was going to end(for their precious macs at least). Now no new information has really changed since that announcement, but most people are now looking forward to the move.

Apple going with Intel... for Real?

It might be interesting to post some of the "sky is falling" messages alongside the same user's recent posts.

I know this will get flamed, but just think about it the next time a major change is made.

 

[SiliconAddict]

When is the single-core variant of Yonah expected? Alongside Yonah or later? I forget. I thought that might make it into iBooks--epecially if PowerBooks came first.

Hmmm. I thought the single cores were due in Summer. Probably wrong though. My thinking originally was

iBooks: Dothan\Dothan ULV-> Yonah SC\Yonah SC ULV

PowerBooks: Yonah DC -> Merom DC


My thinking that once the PowerBooks start being equipped with Merom the iBooks get the Yonah single core. Gah. . . We never had this many problems speculating with the PPC. You generally had one or two options within a years period. Apple has to be like a kid in a candy shop with Intel.

 

[SiliconAddict]

I was excited about the move to Intel processors from the begining. It's interesting to see that everyone is now excited about it as well. But when the announcement came, most posters thought the world was going to end(for their precious macs at least). Now no new information has really changed since that announcement, but most people are now looking forward to the move.

*shrugs* Standard steps in dealing with grief:

denial - "Apple is doing this to coax IBM to give them better deals" "Jobs is keeping universal binary so they can go back to PPC one day."

anger - "What the hell is Jobs thinking? That dang dumb****! He's killing Apple. I'm done with them! Idiots!"

bargaining - "If Apple does this I will never use another Mac ever again"

Depression - WE STILL HAVE PEOPLE STUCK IN THIS STAGE

Acceptance - WOO HOO GO INTEL! Pentium M rocks!


Cut people some slack. Intel was part of Wintel all those years. The "evil" empire. Don't expect people to just accept things over night. And frankly a lot of Mac users didn't know much about Intel's upcoming roadmap. You would freak too if all you saw for Apple's future was a Pentium 4 PowerMac. *shudders* That is what has changed since the announcement. Intel's 2006/2007 roadmap has not only solidified but its looking dang good.

 

[irobot2003]

This all seems a little odd given that according to the latest from AppleInsider the Intel builds are still undergoing fairly massive changes...

Doesn't it take a month or two for Apple to turn a gold master into an actual CD available for sale?

They may announce that the mini will be first available Intel Mac and demo it, but I guess I'll be surprised if they're shipping anything before the March time frame...

 

[Multimedia]

Dual Core Yonah @ > 2 GHz Should QuickStart 2006

Funny thing is we can't tell how much better this will be based on any XP reviews of it. But I have a feeling it will be a 1.67 GHz G4 KILLER. Why else would Apple make the switch? Moreover, two processors sharing a 2 MB cache has got to be a quantum leap desktop experience not to mention all the native Apple Applications like Final Cut Pro, Aperture and the all new iLife '06.

 

[iMeowbot]

Doesn't it take a month or two for Apple to turn a gold master into an actual CD available for sale?

They seem to get them out quicker than that for bundles with hardware. There won't be a boxed Tiger x86 release because all the supported machines will ship with it.

 

[generik]

This doesn't make sense, by January all the other Intel laptop makers will be using dual-core Yonah chips - Apple will look silly with a Dothan as their flagship laptop.

Apple can no longer be "independent" with their hardware releases, all the others will be shipping newer and faster chips on the day that they're released - Apple won't be able to wait months for a convenient venue where Jobs can stand in the spotlight and "surprise" y'all with a new Mac.



Reasonable - since Apple's been telling developers that there will be Dothan systems.

It's also possible for the iBook and MiniMac to get Dothans at MWSF - if the PB has the dual-core Yonah then there's a real difference in "power" for the PB.



Except, that this means that the MiniMac will cream the iMac, and give the dual-core PowerMacs some real competition. Only the quad-core would be clearly faster than a MiniMac.



Certainly not what Adobe says, nor anyone else who's working with CodeWarrior or has their own legacy cross-platform libraries.



Unlikely, at least so soon. There's also the little issue that if Windows is running in a VT virtual machine, OSX will be too (VT is underneath the OS). This would make Apple's hardware lock much easier to break....

(BTW, "run on a separate core" is not the way it works - OSX and Windows could run together on a single-core chip using VT.)



I assume by "G5" you mean PowerMac....

I also assume that by "Pentium D" you mean a dual-core Xeon (you can't run dual Pentium D chips).

IMO Apple should release a tower system with x86 chips - as a supported transition system that will be sold alongside the PPC towers for as long as PPC is needed. These could be a dual-core Pentium D (single chip), or dual-dual Xeons. The Netburst chips could be retired as soon as Conroe chips are ready.

Developers need dual processor systems for testing the x86 pro apps....

What - no wild and crazy prediction about the iMac and iPod???

Isn't Rosetta rumored to support Altivec now?

I really hope apple doesn't cripple VT support on the PB to support their own.. *interests*.

That would be a definite deal breaker.

 

[Jaffa Cake]

Don't forget to look at ALL the specs and bundled apps, and not just pick out a few details to compare. The common pitfall when people say Macs cost more.

Unfortunately, it's a pitfall an awful lot of the computer-buying public fall into, and I can't see it changing....

 

[mdavey]

Does anybody think Apple will do away with the old iBook, PowerBook designations?

I do. Actually, I think it will go one of two ways. Either they'll introduce a single range of laptops and say that they have simpilified the product line, only to introduce a pro range 6-12 months later "responding to customer feedback".

Or, the consumer line will all be tablet Macs with 'traditional' laptops reserved for the Pro line.

When I say tablet Macs, they won't look like any tablet PC on sale today - they won't have the screen connected to the keyboard with a 360 degree hinge, they'll be a single slate with a completley separate (perhaps optional) laptop size keyboard.

 

[oober_freak]

*shrugs* Standard steps in dealing with grief:

denial - "Apple is doing this to coax IBM to give them better deals" "Jobs is keeping universal binary so they can go back to PPC one day."

anger - "What the hell is Jobs thinking? That dang dumb****! He's killing Apple. I'm done with them! Idiots!"

bargaining - "If Apple does this I will never use another Mac ever again"

Depression - WE STILL HAVE PEOPLE STUCK IN THIS STAGE

Acceptance - WOO HOO GO INTEL! Pentium M rocks!


Cut people some slack. Intel was part of Wintel all those years. The "evil" empire. Don't expect people to just accept things over night. And frankly a lot of Mac users didn't know much about Intel's upcoming roadmap. You would freak too if all you saw for Apple's future was a Pentium 4 PowerMac. *shudders* That is what has changed since the announcement. Intel's 2006/2007 roadmap has not only solidified but its looking dang good.

perfect description

Looking forward to a mactel laptop when i go to a MBA school one and half years hence

 

[iEdd]

Bring on the intel powerbook I say! <insert "Woohoo Pentium M ROCKS!!!!" here>

 

[backspinner]

...new naming...

nice thought, I think along these lines as well

 

[BillyShears]

The problem of moving the mini first is that it means the mini would then outpower the iMac. Same problem as iBook or Powerbook.

The problem is if you move the lower-end computers first, they overpower the higher-end comptuers. If you move the higher-end computers first, they may not run all the apps which pro-users need.

My view (I've stated it in another thread, but I think it's relevant here) is that they will have to do the upper level products (PowerBook, iMac) first, but still offer PowerPC versions of those products. Similar to the OS9 transition, where they still offered computers that could boot into OS9 alongside OS X only computers.

An exception can be made, perhaps, for the Power Mac since it is able to host multiple processors, and heat is not a concern. Will a dual-core Yonah iMac outpower a Power Mac G5 quad? I don't think so, but I might be wrong.

They still need to work on Rosetta (as they have with Altivec support) and getting apps ported, so people are inclined to switch to Intel.

I think we may also hear that Apple has helped Adobe transition to Intel. Maybe by donating money or programmers. It would be a good idea, if Adobe would let Apple programmers look at their source code. Again, I say: maybe.

 

[mdavey]

Doesn't it take a month or two for Apple to turn a gold master into an actual CD available for sale?

Not anymore. There are plenty of professional CD and DVD duplication houses that can accept a .iso and a postscript of the artwork via FTP and have up to 100 000 copies sitting in your goods in within 24 hours. These places typically have ISO certification for quality control and verify the media so defects in the field are very small.

Nowadays, it normally takes longer for the packaging to be printed that it takes the media to be made.

 

[Hattig]

I'm gonna say that the powerbook gets the intel chips first. Why? Every time a new chip comes out the powerbook gets it. G4? The ibook still had the G3.

There will be 2 lines and they will be renamed. No more G4 or G5 in the name. The powerbook will have the dothan core and the ibook will have the G4 1.67ghz or the new 7448 moto chip.

The powerbook will have speeds up to 2.26 with a single core and 2mg cache. Then 3 months later the power book will get the new dual core intel chip yohah and the ibook will get the 1.73 dothan shortly therafter. All while this is happening the mac mini will get the 1.73 and 2ghz dothan chips and the new DVR functionality with front row. After about 3 months the mac mini will go yohan at 2ghz. With these mini enhancements nobody will think twice about moving to an intel mini, its just to compelling not to.

Yonah is being released in January, in little over 30 days.

If Apple release a Dothan powered PowerBook, they'll be laughed at. The PowerBook will utilise Yonah. Hell, even the iBook might utilise Yonah, but I actually think it will use Dothan. A 65nm Yonah processor is the same size as a 90nm Dothan however, so it doesn't cost more to make in terms of wafer area. 65nm yield may be a different issue however.

The real issue that using an Intel chip brings to Apple is that people will now directly compare clock speeds on laptops - therefore Apple has to use the best processors in the high end, and the best value in the low end, the same as all the other manufacturers - it can't use the different architecture to explain away clock differences. Regardless of the fact that a 2.26 GHz Windows laptop will be running anti-virus, anti-spyware and a slow interface whilst the Mac laptop won't have that overhead, and the interface will be done by the graphics card ... although Mac OS X does have its issues too (OpenGL could be a lot better - maybe the move to x86 will help here as ATI and nVidia will have a lot of optimisations for that platform).

Part of me can't help think that a lot of people will be disappointed come January - either because half the products they're expecting won't appear, or they'll be less than what they were hoping for.

 

[Stella]

Correct about virus attachments. But How do you know that the attachment, the Word document doesn't contain a macro virus - it could be quite innocent. Without opening it on a windows machine you would never know. Or those joke executables that you receive ( maybe you'd never run it yourself because you don't have windows machine , but you forward it on to other people ) that contain a virus. You yourself may not , but *others* will.

So, saying people never receive / forward on viruses unless they are stupid is not correct. Not all viruses arrive as spam.

I think this would be a very unlikely situation, the only way you would send a virus would be if you recieved an attatchment with a virus (like a dodgy word macro or something) and fowarded it on. I'd like to think most people are smart enough to avoid such an event without the help of a virus checker

 

[generik]

At least I just hope a 7448 will make it into the PB even if there is no Yonah

 

[shabbasuraj]

New PowerBooks will be released January 10, 2006...

...perhaps not.

 

[SiliconAddict]

Unfortunately, it's a pitfall an awful lot of the computer-buying public fall into, and I can't see it changing....

Hey if someone can't afford a Mac they can't afford a Mac.
Just because you get better bang for the buck on a Mac doesn't change the fact that a PC is cheaper. A relative picked up a $400 HP laptop for her son at Best Buy during black Friday last week. She couldn't plunk down a grand for a laptop. I'm not going to chastise someone if X price they can meet over Y.