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Intel Arrandale Benchmarks Show Major Improvements for Notebooks
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I'm really hoping we don't have to wait any longer than January 26th for the new MBP's. I really want to get a macbook pro but I don't want to dive in right at the end of a cycle.
Just add a discrete and turn off the integrated
Apple doesn't have to use the integrated graphics - the chips are cheap so that it's not a serious drawback.
Intel isn't forcing anyone to use the GPU.
Apple doesn't have to use the integrated graphics - the chips are cheap so that it's not a serious drawback.
Intel isn't forcing anyone to use the GPU.
Would these new Arrandale chips make it into the Mini? The power consumption is a non-issue here.
Yeah - that's my concern. I want one to replace my now very old G4 powerbook, but I can wait another couple of months. I'd like to think it will be announced by the end of January.
You don't have to use it, but now it's part of the IGP so you're getting it whether you want it or not. What chipsets are out there that allow you to use the new Intel procs, but a 3rd party graphics chip?
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If you like mid-year updates for the "books", then Apple's preference for extreme power management and their likely first access to Intel silicon ought to make this update interesting.
I wonder if the larger tablet will also use this variant so they have motherboard compatibility between tablet, book, mini, and future iMac form factors.
I am voting for quad core, GPU acceleration and Arrandale low power all under the hood.
Rocketman
Double battery BTO option please Steve.
I hope you are right, but am not so sure this statement is correct.
In any case, this is a statement from another (clarkdale) review :
In other words : IGP still is worthless, unfortunately. That's why I still believe the news that Apple will be calling Intel for a specific cpu part without the GPU, whether they'll get it will be interesting.
Could Apple just include 2 Discrete graphics chipsets, and leave the intel Integrated just for extra OpenCL processing or something ?
Or an extra monitor port would be nice
I would love two external screens on my MBPWhat kind of tortuous logic is this? Typical as it might be for this user of course.
Intel isn't forcing anyone to use their gpu by including it in all the mobile chips and not offering an option without it?
That would be PM55. Also: GPU is part of the IGP but you can disable it (with clarkdale anyway).
lol! "hold out"? A Mac should last around 5 years! Getting the new version each year would be quite a waste indeed!
Arrandale itself supports discrete graphics - the PCIe x16 lanes can be sent outside the chip - note the iGFX inside the CPU package, and PCIe discrete outside:
The whining about the integrated graphics is not reasonable - just turn it off if you don't want it. Intel is saving money with the two-chip package, and so will you.
even so, i would rather have more hardware then design updates. to me, not having quad core at this point as an option is a little insulting.
How about on the Bootcamp side?
I have to run Solidworks (to my utter chagrin) on Bootcamp. I'd like to know if that near 30% boost in 3D performance carries over to the Windows side of things.
I have to run Solidworks (to my utter chagrin) on Bootcamp. I'd like to know if that near 30% boost in 3D performance carries over to the Windows side of things.
Arrandale itself supports discrete graphics - the PCIe x16 lanes can be sent outside the chip - note the iGFX inside the CPU package, and PCIe discrete outside:
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The whining about the integrated graphics is not reasonable - just turn it off if you don't want it. Intel is saving money with the two-chip package, and so will you.
They support discrete graphics? Oh what a technological advantage, it's not as if every cpu on the globe does that....
more tortuous logic...Turning it off is not an alternative to not having it there at all and not allowing a igfx for another brand.
Next time you buy a car, I will shove an inferior break system, and tell you just turn it off and use one from another manufacturer.
Why aren't people complaining that the radio chip in the Iphone supports an FM tuner (which Apple is not using)? Is every Iphone user being penalized because a few transistors on a large scale integrated circuit aren't being utilized?
The Iphone would cost more, not less, if Apple insisted on a custom chip without the FM radio tuner. Same with Arrandale - a custom chip for Apple would cost much more.
If Apple wanted to unlock the potential of the current iPhone 3Gs then, there would be no need to update it this June/July.
Price would still stay the same. ALL of Apple's products are "under-clocked" (for lack of a better word.
No you're not on Intels Bankroll you're on Apples ball sack and since Apple apparently wont be using Arrandale you hate it.
LOL, someone with the nickname "scroto" using "ball sack" in a post!
I'd expect to see Arrandale MacBook Pros soon. I suspect that the "Apple won't use Arrandale" rumour is really based on "Apple won't use Arrandale's iGFX", but it was garbled during the retelling.
They support discrete graphics? Oh what a technological advantage, it's not as if every cpu on the globe does that....
Tortuous logic?
I was replying to a question
Originally Posted by eastcoastsurfer
What chipsets are out there that allow you to use the new Intel procs, but a 3rd party graphics chip?
by pointing out that Arrandale itself can support PCIe x16 graphics cards and discrete 3rd party GPU chips.What chipsets are out there that allow you to use the new Intel procs, but a 3rd party graphics chip?
The question was asked by someone who apparently thought that iGFX precluded an external solution.
All of them. The concern isn't about the chipset since the PCIe 2.0 controller is onboard the processor package. Though you are going to have to use H5x to support FDI to have outputs for the IGP.
P55 spinoffs will solely rely on discrete solutions.
Westmere is especially optimized for a mobile role. It fits into the Intel business platforms as well. The benchmarks are rather lacking compared to Lynnfield and Deneb on the desktop side.