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Intel Begins Shipping First Kaby Lake Processors, but Most Macs Won't Get Them Until 2017
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I was thinking 'Kraby' Lake, being all these delays is making us frustrated. Bad joke. I know.
Was my statement somehow unclear? I'm not telling you that. I simply provided the results that one of the largest CPU review and comparison sites on the internet came to. Go ahead, tell them they are wrong; that newer must equal faster.
Why will they not use Nvidia? They normally change the chip manufacturer every time they update the model in their laptops and both makes have had trouble with failure rates, and Apple won't ever offer external GPUs unless it's a neat solution like being built into displays, and then costing thousands.
Their is no evidence currently that the dgpu will be dropped, dgpu's are still more powerful then integrated Intel ones. But this is Apple who believe in thinness above all else, design before function, so who knows?
Unfortunately Apple has gone all anorexic in their design philosophy. Graphics will be deemed 'good enough' and no dGPUs will be required - is my pick. [But not my choice]
We shall see, I won't buy one without a DGPU unless Apple charges £500 for it!!!
You are a fool if you pay 2 grand plus for a laptop with significantly lower graphics performance then any other laptop in that price range even if they are Windows.
Then again I spent top money for an iPhone without OIS in it last year!!! Won't do that again.
If Apple chooses to ignore the new chips from Nvidia and AMD both of which have been years and several billion dollars of investment in the making then so be it, they will quickly drop to being amongst the worst value for money computers you can buy, and their sales I think and share price will suffer.
So I still don't see it happening, we shall see, then again they may not bother updating their computers this year at all?
Microsoft are being rumoured to be including the new Nvidia or AMD chips in the next Surface range. So yeah if they do and Apple does not, I think a lot of people will be upset.
Apple showed Nvidia the door some three years ago, and there have been just speculation what happened. Behind the scenes the relationship hasn't been very good according to some sources. These are some of the speculated scenarios:
- Apple didn't want Cuda to take over control of apps. They wanted better support for openCL and later Metal.
- There were some quality issues with former Nvidia produts that cause Apple a lot of warranty cases
- AMD was stronger on GPGPU compute on price / perf scale back then and still is on Double precision.
- AMD's roadmap was looking good (but then 20nm was cancelled)
- When Apple started to design Metal, it was done as a co-operation project with AMD (Mantle principals) and as an agreement, Apple started to use AMD only dGPU's on Macs.
- AMD offered a better price
- AMD and Apple are "Cooking" together an APU for future product
- AMD has technology that can unite x86 and ARM worlds together as a bridge to an ARM based Macs.
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I suppose Apples tendency towards thinner design is the reason using iGPU only. I hope they'll keep dGPU option for at least some Macs.
It would be logical, if everything under Pro tag, would have a dGPU. But then, Power Mac, Power book and Power iMac would be more logical names. Pro is confusing.
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Apple's current Mac lineup is so old it qualifies for a bus pass.
You know that everything at Apple is chosen by a team of designers, marketeers and finance people. Technological optimisations are second or third in line.
I've posted this before, but here are the reasons why:
1 - The significantly thinner body will require a larger space for batteries (despite the Skylake efficiency), so the logic board has to be reduced.
2 - The heat output also has to be reduced due to the thinner body.
3 - The Iris Pro 580 is more powerful than the R9 m370x in terms of TFLOPS. If integrated graphics can reach around the performance of the previous dGPU, Apple will change it (even if they have to wait as they did with the 21.5" iMac).
4 - There is actually no suitable Pascal or Polaris mobile cards that are currently shipping. The 400-series cards currently available are rebrands of 300-series cards. The m470X is a rebrand of the m385X which would not be suitable given the new form factor and power/heat considerations. Nvidia have mobile 1000-series GPUs available right now.
Direct evidence that may indicate the removal of a dGPU option is the 13" case leak, which shows the noticeably thinner body both models will have. Then there is also the fact that there is no 14/16nm mobile GPUs currently available. They should at least have it as an option though, as I am sure they would be able to manage something at the expense of battery life.
Apples products are designed by the accountants first, Ive second.
You need to go and look into the new generation of GPUs Nvidia and AMD have produced. They are cheaper, more powerful and much more efficient using less power and generating less heat. They are built on totally new smaller architectures and are much better then any Intel solution.
Ummm... No - You need to go and look at the mobile gpus available. I thought it would be obvious in my post that I am aware of Pascal and Polaris architectures, given that I mentioned them several times. There are no 14nm/16nm mobile GPUs currently available, as I said twice in the post.
These are all depressing reads. I'm holding off to buy a MacBkPro 15" and APPLE is more interested in the new color for the Hermes wristband for their APPLE watch and the rose-gold colored backing for their new iPhone 7 or the new approach to earphones on the iPhone. Its time for APPLE to move to Paris and change their branding to a Parisian Haute Couture.
Of course they are. It's a non-techie female oriented marketing strategy. Angela Ahrendts is doing exactly what she was hired to do.
It doesn't help that Tim seems to have forgotten Apple is a tech company not a political action committee.
That would be an accurate prediction if it wasn't for the SoftBank (i.e. Red Chinese money) investment in ARM this month.
If China gets controlling interest of ARM's IP, with the nationalism rising trend, ARM is no longer the obvious choice as it was this time next year. I'm sure the Atom division of Intel is looking at this as a great way to leverage this move. Also, there have been several ARM alternative, low device count, CPU designs in the past few years getting a lot more consideration with ARM going Red.
The ARM developer conference in Santa Clara in October just got more interesting.
That's right, and you didn't make it clear to me you knew about the chips, however they could launch new mobile chips at any point as they no doubt will do, so their is no reason a new MacBook Pro won't use them. People have been saying the DGPU will be killed off for years, like they said the iPod Touch was going to be killed off.
With Apple I'll believe it when I see it.
SoftBank is Japanese. Not Chinese.
In fact Japanese ownership of ARM is likely to make it harder for those chips to make it into local Chinese products.
In fact Japanese ownership of ARM is likely to make it harder for those chips to make it into local Chinese products.
Yeah I agree and hopefully they don't drop it. If they have one in the redesign then theres hope for it to stick around for future models with that design.
SoftBank is officially Japanese. However look at company ownership, it's extended board and other investors. The majority is Chinese.
no no no no. Apple hasn't updated its macs because they care about hype more than product these days. they could quietly update its lines with new processors whenever they are available. they don't because either they order too many for their initial product runs or they are more concerned about their stupid hype schedule.