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I was going off the competence and determination of the manufacturing operations. Asian manufacturers have delivered node after node flawlessly in huge volumes successfully. I would consider their experience as the cutting edge of manufacturing operations.
Ehm. Flaw... flawlessly? I am quite curious how you have such an impression, as I've followed news of the industry for quite a long time and it was certainly... not flawlessly. Heck, TSMC even screwed the 32nm process and jumped straight to 28nm, and it is the only high-profile Asian foundry post 45/40nm, by the way.

Intel has bungled Broadwell with delays and delays. I would imagine that getting competent manufacturing operations in the US these days is very hard, this is not the 1950s.
But at least, hem, they have real engineering samples and they start to ship real chips. Frankly speaking, foundries are no better than Intel in this regard. The difficulty to bring up the yield is not about where the fab is..., but fighting with the atoms.
 
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Don't think this is going after Intel, it most likely going to address to lower price points market, especially the education segment, since Apple wants to protect the Gross Margin, and by using ARM chips, those ARM powered Macs will be capable of allowing the non X86 Macs to price at more afforable price points.

As for going after Intel, Apple is capable of coming up with newer architecture, but unless its going to be something really revolutionary, they will probably keep using Intel, because Intel has the Fabs, and has significant market share in the entire PC market, which allows them to price their chips at a more flexible rate.
 
Apple is an important customer of Intel, but given their marketshare at 12%, they're not Intel's biggest customer. Yes, it would hurt their bottom line, but it wouldn't be a fatal blow

Do you know Apple's market share of the higher end CPU's that presumably produce higher profits for Intel? This might be reported, I don't know. But the market share that compares X HP PCs with Y Apple PCs we all know is somewhat skewed because the HP PCs include lots of cheaper PCs with much worse specs.
 
I can see cases for moving to ARM, and also plenty of reasons against it. Still, the reasons for moving to ARM are pretty compelling:

1) Control over the product release pipeline. Fact is, Intel had to delay the release of some major mobile processor releases, and this has impacted Apple's ability to release new mobile laptops in 2014.

Also, Apple can control the performance improvements of their chips. For instance, let's say they come up with a completely new layout for their Macbook Pro that is thinner and with much better controls, they would release a smaller performance improvement for the processor, knowing people will still upgrade for other reasons. Then next year they could release a processor that performs significantly better in hopes that many will upgrade again.

Having complete control over the release of their products with a reliable product map would be huge for Apple.

2) They could reduce costs. By developing their own specs for a chip and then having a foundry make those processors to spec would decrease costs instead of purchasing Intel processors in bulk. This would allow Apple to reduce the cost of their computers, costs which they could pass along to the consumer while still maintaining huge profit margins. If the ARM transition is handled correctly, they could see an increase in sales and profits as a result (not to mention market share).

3) This could allow Apple to move towards a more uniform OS for desktop/mobile devices. To be clear, this would need to be done without making the mistake Microsoft made with Windows 8, but I that should be possible. Just some ideas:

a) They could make their desktop a fully compatible version of IOS and allow this desktop version to work with existing apps. They could integrate into the keyboard common functionality with apps to further encourage use of apps on the desktop. Instead of releasing a new desktop OS that is compatible with a small number of apps, they could have an OS with a very compelling eco system from day one.
b) They could allow universal mouse/cursor support in IOS for both mobile devices and obviously the desktop version. They could do this by integrating mouse cursor movement into the existing home button. If any company could do this will still keeping existing functionality of the home button, Apple can.

Ironically, having such a feature would allow even better apps to be released, and also provide an extremely compelling reason for people to upgrade their iPhones/iPads. I know I would want to upgrade both in a heartbeat if I had this functionality and more capable apps to go along side it.

This would allow developers to essentially release the same versions of a product for both mobile devices and desktops. Obviously this would cause fragmentation, but it would also cause counter fragmentation as well. Adobe photoshop could be designed for both mobile/desktop devices with much similarity, and the main differences would really be focused on the different screen sizes.

4) This would make Apple's product line and eco system even more flat/linear. Each device would further compliment the other. I could buy a word processor for my iMac, and also use that same word processor on my iPhone with similar functionality including cursor/mouse support. Again, I have to emphasize, if done well, this could cause customers to have huge motivation to upgrade their iPhones/iPads. Apple already has larger screened iPhones, now they need compelling ways to utilize those screens while also encouraging upgrades. The fact this, this is a legitimate way to do so without seeming like a tight-ass with 16 gigs on lower end devices, etc.

5) Essentially allowing desktop level apps to work in iPhones/iPads would allow Apple to make a truly compelling multitasking solution for mobile devices. And, they would have a good *reason* for doing so. We've all seen lame examples from Samsung on uses for multitasking on their phones. Fact is, Samsung's multitasking is a solution looking for a problem. With Apple, as the only company with such a compelling eco system, they could have a *real* reason for multitasking support, do it better then their competition, and allow true desktop level multitasking.

This would have the advantage of allowing Apple to release some compelling ads through their marketing department that would show software capability no competitor could match. Imagine the same app being show on an iMac, iPad, and iPhone all with the same functionality. Imagine, for instance, a powerful version of Photoshop that can be used with similar functionality on all Apple devices. Fact is, this would be something the competition could not touch. Only Apple could do this, if they moved to Arm. Gosh, the more I think about this, the more excited this makes me.

Now somebody will argue with me that having desktop level compatibility on an iPhone, for instance, would make for less compelling reasons to get an iPad, for instance. To that I would say, you are absolutely correct. There already *are* people who use their iPhones exclusively for all of their computer needs, and having similar capabilities on the iPhone would only encourage more people to do this.

But this would be easily offset by additional sales for the iPhone. Fact is, as iPhones become more powerful, there become less compelling reasons to upgrade an iPhone. Simply put, major innovation is needed over the midterm to continue to encourage more sales. This would certainly be the type of innovation that could further iPhone sales, and even chip away at market share of competitors.

Also, since this would strengthen Apple's eco system, there would be customers who would be encouraged to buy a desktop, iPad, and iPhone since all three have advantages. This would further Apple's sales in all three categories. Heck, Apple might even be able to make the Apple Watch useful, and further sales in that device. As an example, you have a Microsoft Word document being edited by multiple parties at different locations. I decide to go to the mall and get some Starbucks, and while I'm sipping my Mocha, my iWatch is notifying me of updates to that document. I call on my iPhone and discuss those changes with the iPhone to my ear, but I still have a second screen on my iWatch that is continuing to update the changes as they happen. The possibilities are endless when desktop level software integrates with mobile software.

I could go on with this post and continue to come up with reasons/ideas on why it would be a good idea to switch entirely to ARM, but I think you get the idea. I was going to post the barriers/reasons why a full ARM lineup wouldn't occur for Apple, but I don't feel like I'm technically qualified to do so, and also based on the reasons I outlined above, I simply think the reasons are so compelling Apple would do everything they could to overcome technical obstacles to make this happen. I don't see how they could resist!

To summarize, one microaritecture to rule them all. One micro architecture to sell devices, and in the night SPITE them!
 
These threads are rally funny. Remind me of these whiners that were sure as hell Apple would not go Intel.

I for one am ready for my first ARM-driven Mac. :apple:
 
I just wanted to add that Windows 8.1 runs fine on ARM. I had to get a Lumia 2520 tablet for the LTE connectivity for work and it runs on Snap 800 / 2GB ram just fine.

Most of the Microsoft built in stuff like IE, explorer, etc. all run fine which leads me to believe that its all matter of optimization on the developer's side to make all x86 programs run on ARM.

So if Apple decides to go ARM and you want to dual boot Windows you should be able to do so.. It just depends on the software you need to run on top of that.
 
I can see cases for moving to ARM, and also plenty of reasons against it. Still, the reasons for moving to ARM are pretty compelling:

Nope.

1) Control over the product release pipeline. Fact is, Intel had to delay the release of some major mobile processor releases, and this has impacted Apple's ability to release new mobile laptops in 2014.

And since Apple doesn't own a fab, they would be at the mercy of TSMC and Samsung fab processes. So if TSMC misses a process node for 6 months, then Apple fails to upgrade.

Also, Apple can control the performance improvements of their chips. For instance, let's say they come up with a completely new layout for their Macbook Pro that is thinner and with much better controls, they would release a smaller performance improvement for the processor, knowing people will still upgrade for other reasons. Then next year they could release a processor that performs significantly better in hopes that many will upgrade again.

Having complete control over the release of their products with a reliable product map would be huge for Apple.

They are still limited by Moore's law and process improvements.
Desktop machines have a vey different upgrade cycle than an iPad or iPhone.
Just because they can do an ARM doesn't mean they can or want to do desktop processors. They have been down the road and AIM was a disaster.

2) They could reduce costs. By developing their own specs for a chip and then having a foundry make those processors to spec would decrease costs instead of purchasing Intel processors in bulk. This would allow Apple to reduce the cost of their computers, costs which they could pass along to the consumer while still maintaining huge profit margins. If the ARM transition is handled correctly, they could see an increase in sales and profits as a result (not to mention market share).

You do realize that Apple has a relationship with Intel that no other manufacturer has. Laptop processors are released to Apple first (if they want them) and Apple has design input into what Intel will build for them. The first Macbook Air processor was directly influence by Apple and exclusive to Apple for a period of time.

3) This could allow Apple to move towards a more uniform OS for desktop/mobile devices. To be clear, this would need to be done without making the mistake Microsoft made with Windows 8, but I that should be possible. Just some ideas:

iOS *IS* MacOS. You do realize that iOS based on MacOS, they are both BSD.
You clearly don't read; Tim Cook has said there is no reason to merge iOS and MacOS at the interface and user level because they have different goals.

a) They could make their desktop a fully compatible version of IOS and allow this desktop version to work with existing apps. They could integrate into the keyboard common functionality with apps to further encourage use of apps on the desktop. Instead of releasing a new desktop OS that is compatible with a small number of apps, they could have an OS with a very compelling eco system from day one.
b) They could allow universal mouse/cursor support in IOS for both mobile devices and obviously the desktop version. They could do this by integrating mouse cursor movement into the existing home button. If any company could do this will still keeping existing functionality of the home button, Apple can.

Tim Cook has said that is not a goal.


4) This would make Apple's product line and eco system even more flat/linear. Each device would further compliment the other. I could buy a word processor for my iMac, and also use that same word processor on my iPhone with similar functionality including cursor/mouse support. Again, I have to emphasize, if done well, this could cause customers to have huge motivation to upgrade their iPhones/iPads. Apple already has larger screened iPhones, now they need compelling ways to utilize those screens while also encouraging upgrades. The fact this, this is a legitimate way to do so without seeming like a tight-ass with 16 gigs on lower end devices, etc.

Not their goal.

5) Essentially allowing desktop level apps to work in iPhones/iPads would allow Apple to make a truly compelling multitasking solution for mobile devices. And, they would have a good *reason* for doing so. We've all seen lame examples from Samsung on uses for multitasking on their phones. Fact is, Samsung's multitasking is a solution looking for a problem. With Apple, as the only company with such a compelling eco system, they could have a *real* reason for multitasking support, do it better then their competition, and allow true desktop level multitasking.

You do realize that iOS is BSD beneath the surface and tht Android is Linux, right?

This would have the advantage of allowing Apple to release some compelling ads through their marketing department that would show software capability no competitor could match. Imagine the same app being show on an iMac, iPad, and iPhone all with the same functionality. Imagine, for instance, a powerful version of Photoshop that can be used with similar functionality on all Apple devices. Fact is, this would be something the competition could not touch. Only Apple could do this, if they moved to Arm. Gosh, the more I think about this, the more excited this makes me.

Not going to happen.

Now somebody will argue with me that having desktop level compatibility on an iPhone, for instance, would make for less compelling reasons to get an iPad, for instance. To that I would say, you are absolutely correct. There already *are* people who use their iPhones exclusively for all of their computer needs, and having similar capabilities on the iPhone would only encourage more people to do this.

But Apple has said that is not a goal. Once again iOS and MacOS are both BSD and stem from the purchase of NeXT.


Also, since this would strengthen Apple's eco system, there would be customers who would be encouraged to buy a desktop, iPad, and iPhone since all three have advantages. This would further Apple's sales in all three categories. Heck, Apple might even be able to make the Apple Watch useful, and further sales in that device. As an example, you have a Microsoft Word document being edited by multiple parties at different locations. I decide to go to the mall and get some Starbucks, and while I'm sipping my Mocha, my iWatch is notifying me of updates to that document. I call on my iPhone and discuss those changes with the iPhone to my ear, but I still have a second screen on my iWatch that is continuing to update the changes as they happen. The possibilities are endless when desktop level software integrates with mobile software.

Yawn....

I could go on with this post and continue to come up with reasons/ideas on why it would be a good idea to switch entirely to ARM, but I think you get the idea. I was going to post the barriers/reasons why a full ARM lineup wouldn't occur for Apple, but I don't feel like I'm technically qualified to do so, and also based on the reasons I outlined above, I simply think the reasons are so compelling Apple would do everything they could to overcome technical obstacles to make this happen. I don't see how they could resist!

Because it's not their goal???
A desktop ARM processor that supports all the required interfaces and virtualization is very different that the ARM that is even going into blade servers.
ARM just made it to being 64Bit.

All the people that speculate have no idea of computer architecture, system design, process technology and the CPU marketplace.
There are a string of companies that have tried to compete with Intel with desktop class processors. Let's go through the list AIM (Apple, Intel, Motorola), Sun/Oracle Sparc, Fujitsu Sparc, Silicon Graphics MIPS, etc..... Competing with Intel making processors is an uphill battle when you don't own a FAB, cutting edge on chip memory IP, etc.....

To summarize, one microaritecture to rule them all. One micro architecture to sell devices, and in the night SPITE them!

Apple doesn't own ARM, they license the processor so they are still tied to conforming to the ARM spec.

Not going to happen. Nothing to see here.....
 
I just wanted to add that Windows 8.1 runs fine on ARM....Most of the Microsoft built in stuff like IE, explorer, etc. all run fine which leads me to believe that its all matter of optimization on the developer's side to make all x86 programs run on ARM...if Apple decides to go ARM and you want to dual boot Windows you should be able to do so.. It just depends on the software you need to run on top of that.

Of course you can run Windows 8 on ARM -- that is what Windows RT was. However only a few Microsoft *desktop* apps were ported to RT. This would be the situation with an ARM Mac -- porting "desktop-style" x86 OS X apps with all their unique characteristics to ARM OS X.

How well would this work? Again we have Windows RT as an example. People figured out how to jailbreak RT and tried porting many desktop apps to RT. The result? A long list of damaged, clunky, half-broken little apps: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2092348

Obviously any app with assembler, x86 libraries, any compiler directive which somehow was x86 specific would require at least partial redesign. Examples of other issues porting C++ code from x86 to ARM: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/jj635841.aspx

Given source code you can recompile a little "hello world" x86 app to ARM and it will run fine. Getting a complex (e.g, Premiere Pro, Photoshop, Word, Excel) app recompiled and thoroughly debugged on ARM would be a massive undertaking. There are about 30 million lines of code in MS Office.

Nobody was even able to port much simpler apps like Chrome and FireFox to desktop Windows RT. The developer's answer: "Technically they are feasible to be ported to RT, its just such a huge amount of work that its highly unlikely to ever happen"

So real world, real life experience at the closest analog to an ARM Mac shows porting large x86 apps is not easy.

It is instructive to look through the XDS developer thread as they struggle to port various (little) desktop apps to Windows RT on ARM. That is the closest equivalent to an ARM Mac, and it portends to some degree the software porting issue that an ARM Mac would face:

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2092348
 
I hope we're smart enough not to say "Apple will never do ______".

I'm sure that Apple has a lab with OS X running on ARM, and any other processor out there - just to see how performance is impacted and how it affects various products.

Given that, will Apple do it? Who knows. One would like to think they learned from the Surface debacle (not to run two processor versions), but it's not out of the realm of possibility - especially if they're considering a new product category - maybe going back to a Consumer/Pro model.

I could even see them experimenting with duel processors - ARM for low powered tasks and Intel for high powered tasks, possibly in a Powerbook Duo type of product.

In the end, Apple's going to go with what makes them the most money and is right for the largest portion of their audience. And there will be happy people and angry people.

This is so likely. They did it with Power PC before and if they think it will help them then of course they will do it again.
 
We're in an interesting junktion in time where the gains by process nodes are tapering off, and you need to employ new tricks in order to push out large gains.

You can shrink your process, but you end up risking to get increased dynamic losses to offset any gains you made. So now your chip is smaller (and cheaper, assuming that you can ammortize your node properly), but it runs at basically the same wattage. And this becomes more and more likely with every shrink.

You can't keep up exponential growth forever, who would have thunk it. :)

So with that, one of Intel's main competetive advantages of being able to lean back on the "process superiority weapon" starts to diminish and things like general architecture starts to matter, and the innovation level needed to sustain a premium pricepoint starts to be hard to reach. And high performance CPUs starts to get commoditized. Becasue there do are others out there that do good achitecture, Apple being one of them. The A8/A8x are very nicely wide and high IPC chips, that don't scale that well and they aren't as hot as an i7. But then again they aren't as hot (hurr hurr...).

Not to say that Intel aren't skilled, their uncore arch is very nice and their cache performance likewise.

In the end, the majority of users care about having something that works. A subset of those care about performance, and another subset really really cares about multibooting Windows.

In the land of commodity CPUs, would Apple care to design their own chips for the iPhones? Or do they see a clear competetive advantage in vertical control since their volumes are big enough that you may get gains from it? And would they want to roll out that to the desktop?
 
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It better be strong. Switch to ARM and you can forget it Apple.

Forget apple for you, in the sense of not buying from them or forget apple as a company because they'll be doomed?

I think you've posted before that you don't buy their computers any longer because the intel Macs are not as good as the PPC (if I'm misstating your position, please let me know). If that is the cause then, any platform change that apple may embrace really won't have an impact on you.
 
Let me preface this by saying my last new Mac purchase was PowerPC I didn't like the Intel change and swore I'd not by a new Mac again and I haven't.

Many things simply ran better on PowerPC than on Intel If Apple and the big SW vendors can bring me SW that runs better on ARM than on Intel then I will buy, if they cannot I won't. I don't care about dual booting Windows as I have no need for Windows and a Majority of Linux distros already have support for ARM.

TL:DR If Apple can make my SW run better regardless of geekbench scores I will buy again.
 
If you stop beeing short-minded for a second, you can notice how ARM in macs is great news for all of us.

First of all, it will make new price point for entry level machines, let it be MBA. You will be able to get at least current-level performance for around 50% of current price
, with retina screen and low-power (which means great battery life) features aswell. You loose some compatibility, for sure, but for 'power' ;) users like my wife, having working Safari, Mail, Pages and Numbers will be more than enough.

Then there's us :) users that need maximum power from our machines. We don't want to hear about ARM for the same reason we don't want to switch our cars from BMWs/Audis - we're used to things that are just on top in terms of performance. Thanks to ARM competition, Intel will have to offer more than just making same old silicon with minimal changes. They won't cripple their chips like cutting off PCI-E in Broadwell to cut off dGPUs, forcing users to invest lots of money for their Iris iGPU. Maybe they even allow other companies make interesting products for Thunderbolt, and not just block anything that is labeled internally as 'Intel competition' (take GPU external enclousers as the best example).

Things just can't get any better than Apple switching to ARM :)

Are you new to Apple world?
Just because switching one tiny component called "CPU" from x64 to ARM would save Apple 50% while yielding the same performance (assuming you are correct with the facts), you would expect Apple sells us the ARM Macbook at 50% of current price?

Are you nuts? Tim Cook is the CEO not because he's in for charity or giving away good technology for the future of mankind. Apple would sell it at the same price, or maybe more. Why? Because it runs some proprietary chipset, proprietary OS, apps and those are good reasons to charge us more for a chip that "50% cheaper to produce". Way to give Apple more margin for sure.
 
Are you new to Apple world?
Just because switching one tiny component called "CPU" from x64 to ARM would save Apple 50% while yielding the same performance (assuming you are correct with the facts), you would expect Apple sells us the ARM Macbook at 50% of current price?

Are you nuts? Tim Cook is the CEO not because he's in for charity or giving away good technology for the future of mankind. Apple would sell it at the same price, or maybe more. Why? Because it runs some proprietary chipset, proprietary OS, apps and those are good reasons to charge us more for a chip that "50% cheaper to produce". Way to give Apple more margin for sure.

See: Situation with the 5C.
 
Are you new to Apple world?
Just because switching one tiny component called "CPU" from x64 to ARM would save Apple 50% while yielding the same performance (assuming you are correct with the facts), you would expect Apple sells us the ARM Macbook at 50% of current price?

Are you nuts? Tim Cook is the CEO not because he's in for charity or giving away good technology for the future of mankind. Apple would sell it at the same price, or maybe more. Why? Because it runs some proprietary chipset, proprietary OS, apps and those are good reasons to charge us more for a chip that "50% cheaper to produce". Way to give Apple more margin for sure.

Actually Intel Mac's are cheaper than their equivalent PowerPC predecessors so Apple has passed on cost savings to the consumer in the past.
 
My observations are as follows.

Yes Apple has done architecture jumping in the past. However it has been to increase performance and to get away from a architecture that is fading out.

Around 85 percent of computers must be intel, so Intel is not fading away. Also ARM does not offer better performance yet. I don't think Apple has the expertise in house to develop ARM chips that trump Broadwell and Skylake, and that amount of development could become quite costly.

Another thing is that when Apple made the PPC to Intel transition it had a heap less users and a smaller installed base, which made the switch a lot lot easier. There are many more intel Mac users than there ever were PPC users.

This whole "Yeah but Macs could run iOS apps" thing is rubbish. Who wants to run touch screen apps on cursor driven hardware? It would take a lot of work to redesign the interface for a Mac. Given how long it takes developers to adjust their app for different screen sizes (EG the 4 inch iPhone 5 in 2012 and now the 4.7 and 5.5 Inch iPhone 6 and 6+), I don't see them taking to redesigning their interface for a much much smaller audience.

This whole Chromebook ARM Macbook Air sounds fairly pointless. Isn't it just an iPad with a keyboard, if its running mainly iOS apps, because not all OSX developers are not going to design apps for 1 device in a lineup of multiple Intel Macs. Also, this ARM based, retina, locked down device aready exists.. its called the iPad with a keyboard.

Intel was what really brought up the sales of Macs. Switchers find being able to virtualise Windows so much faster than on PPC or dual boot something which nakes the big switch so much more comforting. I also know plenty of people (Including myself) who need Windows Applications for work or for university. In case people haven't noticed, 85 or so percent of the world is Windows. Many people don't get a choice what their work uses. Like it or not Intel and Windows is dominant, especially in the corporate world, so maximum compatibility is a must, and sometimes this means dual booting.

Right now, a Mac is the most versatile computer (not tablet) that there is. It can run all Windows applications and all Mac applications, and thus removing compatibility with pretty much 100 percent of existing desktop/laptop applications, would be crazed.

ARM Macs would have little credibility amongst professionals, and having a lineup of both sorts would be confusing, AKA ARM Surface. Apple would not be able to ensure that all applications would run on an ARM Mac as well as on an Intel Mac.

I will admit if Apple could build ARM chips for its Macs on its own, it would prefer to do so, than to buy Intel chips. However I think it would only be happy doing this if the switch worked out well in all other areas.

The other thing that people bring up is ARM chips having better battery life. My argument to this is that Haswell Macs have great battery life and Broadwell and Skywell will improve on this as well. I would like to know if the power consumption benefits for ARM just because current ARM implementation are low powered devices? Or is it an architecture thing?

The cost thing is also overrated. Apple could offer many things cheaper than it does, but it loves nice big margins. So if ARM chips were adopted, Apple rarely seems to pass terribly much of its savings onto the market.

I would probably buy one of the last Intel Macs (If Intel Macs were phased out and replaced with ARM Macs). I was perfectly happy with OS9 to OSX and then PPC to Intel, because there were clear benefits to users, but both these moves were a struggle in some ways. So to have another struggle to achieve a somewhat pointless change away from the mainstream processing architecture would seem a bit of a strange move.

Intel is not perfect of course, but at the moment its a much better alternative to ARM.
 
Some people keep claiming ARM is way cheaper, but for today's ARM chips the reason why they are cheaper is because they are designed to be cheap for their performance grades. The mainstream of high-perf ARM chips are going into smartphones that have a extremely low power envelope and moderately low performance targets as compared to PCs. Moreover, the lower the grade is, the cheaper the process technology you may choose as the tolerance and requirement are relaxed, or either tighten your design to achieve a smaller die and implicitly higher volume. Ugh. When you need to raise it to "desktop-class" or in fact "server-class-that-is-dropped-back-into-PCs", especially for clocks, it is no longer that "cheaper". Perhaps AMD would want to tell a story about this, someday.

Unless there is a specific niche one wants to follow, or one is willing to risk on the foundries' roadmaps for bleeding edge technologies, otherwise in the PC, workstation and server arena Intel is the safest choice. AMD's x86 business might have a chance in the near future if we are talking about mid- to low-end, but I haven't really thought of any single real value addition of ARMv8 in this field. Heck, even AMD's semi-custom business looks like a better alternative...

I can't be so sure though. Let's wait and see if there is any surprises...
 
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