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Question - if I bought my computer from Apple then wouldn’t Apple be responsible to fix the hardware. I am guessing most people won’t be happy with a slowdown of 5-30%. I feel Intel is so screwed because all manufacturers will go after them once consumers go after manufacturers.
 
An intel computer is used to store sensitive information, say, on police informants, or other vulnerable people. If it can be demonstrated that this flaw resulted in the deaths of those people (its not just a performance problem but a security one), then it's as big as an airbag issue. Just because computers don't have sharp edges or only sit on desks doesn't mean they can't hurt people.

Sure, they can take that as it comes. The key phrase is "If it can be demonstrated that this flaw resulted in the deaths of those people". Now comes the burden of proof. What I'm saying is that it's not really that much different than Apple's recent "no password" root issue. How can one defend Apple's software bugs, but attack Intel in this case?
 
Meh, that flaw is only an issue if someone has physical access to your machine and certain privileges already. That's like giving someone the key to your home and then blaming the lock company when they steal stuff.

That's not true at all. Any application you download & execute could exploit this bug, bypass SIP and get root access.

I really wish people would read before commenting.

https://siguza.github.io/IOHIDeous/
 
Sure, they can take that as it comes. The key phrase is "If it can be demonstrated that this flaw resulted in the deaths of those people". Now comes the burden of proof. What I'm saying is that it's not really that much different than Apple's recent "no password" root issue. How can one defend Apple's software bugs, but attack Intel in this case?
Who's defending their bugs? Just goes to show how bad it is to assume that something shiny and professionally presented equates to secure. A paper file in a locked cabinet remains superior in terms of security, in fact it is becoming more secure since information thieves and journalists are becoming lazier and lazier.
 
Oy vey. 10 years?!?

So my Acer laptop which is operating wonderfully (/s) after Windows 10 creators update may show up with "5 to 30 percent slowdown once the fix is in place." :confused:

To say nothing of the impacts to MacOS...

Just splendid.
 
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Who's defending their bugs?


Oh you must be new here. Go read the forum on the no password root and you'll see several people arguing that it's not a big deal, etc. That was my point. I do agree with you about journalists.
 
This is a vindication of Apple's increasingly clear shift away from Intel who have been unreliable and have been holding Apple back like PowerPC did when Apple moved to Intel.

With the news that Apple is enabling universal iOS/Mac apps, the roadmap is becoming clear. The next MacBook will probably run exclusively on an A chip with existing apps running in x86 emulation. Rosetta comes full circle.

Pro hardware will run on dual chips to give developers time to build their pro apps for A chips. The new iMac Pro already has an Apple designed co-processor. I wonder if the upcoming Mac Pro will be the big reveal: a massively powered A chip running alongside an Intel chip.
 
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Oh you must be new here. Go read the forum on the no password root and you'll see several people arguing that it's not a big deal, etc. That was my point. I do agree with you about journalists.
Yeah that is true, but nothing motivates like money or buyer's remorse. Anyway I think this should be a lesson to everyone. We can all be blown wide open in terms of privacy because of too much trust in our electronic devices. This stuff is worth untold amounts of money in identity theft, extortion and reputation injury to private individuals, companies and governments. I'm gonna buy shares in a company that sells popcorn methinks.
 
This is a vindication of Apple's increasingly clear shift away from Intel who have been unreliable and have been holding Apple back like AMD did when Apple moved to Intel.

With the news that Apple is enabling universal iOS/Mac apps, the roadmap is becoming clear. The next MacBook will probably run exclusively on an A chip with existing apps running in x86 emulation. Rosetta comes full circle.

Pro hardware will run on dual chips to give developers time to build their pro apps for A chips. The new iMac Pro already has an Apple designed co-processor. I wonder if the upcoming Mac Pro will be the big reveal: a massively powered A chip running alongside an Intel chip.

Well, Intel did Apple a huge favour taking on Qualcomm in the mobile modem space and giving Apple an opportunity to push back on Qualcomm. And, well, iDevices make up the lion's share of Apple's revenues ... so ...
 
This is a vindication of Apple's increasingly clear shift away from Intel who have been unreliable and have been holding Apple back like AMD did when Apple moved to Intel.

With the news that Apple is enabling universal iOS/Mac apps, the roadmap is becoming clear. The next MacBook will probably run exclusively on an A chip with existing apps running in x86 emulation. Rosetta comes full circle.

Pro hardware will run on dual chips to give developers time to build their pro apps for A chips. The new iMac Pro already has an Apple designed co-processor. I wonder if the upcoming Mac Pro will be the big reveal: a massively powered A chip running alongside an Intel chip.

Where are you getting the idea that Apple will make more reliable CPUs? It took a decade to discover this bug. Literally billions didn’t discover it. There’s nowhere near enough data or experience to say Apple will miraculously be better on this front.
 
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