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time to go AMD or ARM
Please not ARM just going back to the PowerPC days. So much open source software is not available for ARM that MacOS will suffer.
Note: this is not about the speed or tech that might be missing in the ARM chip. Apple's deal with Intel allowed sharing of CPU patents (Intel got access to Motorla/IBM/Apple PowerPC patents). This same agreement could give Apple access to Intel patents for the ARM chips.
 
Where are you getting the idea that Apple will make more reliable CPUs? It took a decade to discover this bug. Literally billions didn’t discover it. There’s nowhere near enough data or experience to say Apple will miraculously be better on this front.

1) arm CPUs are significantly simpler than x86-64, so less opportunity for bugs
2) Apple has better chip designers. I know many of them from my days at AMD and exponential and other companies. They’re very good.
3) if broken they can spin a fix faster
 
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Another feather in Apple's Processor Design Group's hat. News like this will only bolster Apple's efforts to design and fab their own silicon designs, as they've done with the iOS devices.

Expect to see Apple-designed procs in computers within 3-5 years, starting with something like the MacBook Air, or the cheapest MacBook Pro/iMac. They will work up until the entire line of products is sold with their own processor designs.

Unless Intel knew the flaw was there and shipped the processors anyways, I doubt there could be any way that this could have been avoided. All processors have some hidden flaws that may or may not have been discovered, even if Apple designed them. That said, if Apple made their own chips, there might have been more security measures tailored to Apple OS’s.
 
So this should warrant a massive class action suit just like Apple got on the power management controversy. Let's hope Apple can do a better job with the code without affecting performance then we can go around saying "My Intel is better than yours!" lol

-Mike
 
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Another feather in Apple's Processor Design Group's hat. News like this will only bolster Apple's efforts to design and fab their own silicon designs, as they've done with the iOS devices.

Expect to see Apple-designed procs in computers within 3-5 years, starting with something like the MacBook Air, or the cheapest MacBook Pro/iMac. They will work up until the entire line of products is sold with their own processor designs.

This is a real blow for intel. This could be the break Apple and AMD needs to really dent Intel's near monopoly. This could actually be a good thing for consumers overall in the long run.
 
Another feather in Apple's Processor Design Group's hat. News like this will only bolster Apple's efforts to design and fab their own silicon designs, as they've done with the iOS devices.

Expect to see Apple-designed procs in computers within 3-5 years, starting with something like the MacBook Air, or the cheapest MacBook Pro/iMac. They will work up until the entire line of products is sold with their own processor designs.

And I'll be jumping ship soon thereafter, as I'm unwilling to give up my ENTIRE software library. AGAIN.
 
"you get a new computer and YOU get a new computer and YOOOU get a new computer"...wait for it, I can see lawsuits happening now.
 
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No option to do it.
I haven’t connected all the dots yet, but I’m sure this has to somehow be Apples fault




The computer you bought is now 5-30% slower than it used to be? And there’s no actual fix for this, outside of replacing the CPU.
For Macs, the impact is unknown at this point.

Is the Intel CPU clock speed guaranteed (by Intel in writing) to perform at X speed in all applications for the end user? If there is such a guarantee from Intel for the original owner, a person might have standing. Otherwise, the plaintiff would have to show by a preponderance of the evidence, that Intel knowingly sold defective CPU's. And in doing so, perpetrated fraud on the consumer, as well as putting the consumer at risk or was the subsequent cause for said consumer to suffer financial harm etc.

I have no doubt that class action suits will be filed by the end of the week. Proving damages is a whole different legal story.
 
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Intel marketing execs: "Don't look at this as a problem. Look at it as an opportunity. Just think, our next generation processors that we release with the fix we will be able to market as being up to 30% faster than the current generation."
 
This is a vindication of Apple's increasingly clear shift away from Intel who have been unreliable and have been holding Apple back like AMD did when Apple moved to Intel.

With the news that Apple is enabling universal iOS/Mac apps, the roadmap is becoming clear. The next MacBook will probably run exclusively on an A chip with existing apps running in x86 emulation. Rosetta comes full circle.

Pro hardware will run on dual chips to give developers time to build their pro apps for A chips. The new iMac Pro already has an Apple designed co-processor. I wonder if the upcoming Mac Pro will be the big reveal: a massively powered A chip running alongside an Intel chip.


Whatchu talkin bout iPedro?

Apple never used AMD. Macs used to run on PowerPC chips built by Motorola and IBM.

It was known as the AIM Alliance (Apple-IBM-Motorola) in the 90's.
 
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For Macs, the impact is unknown at this point.

Is the Intel CPU clock speed guaranteed (by Intel in writing) to perform at X speed in all applications for the end user? If there is such a guarantee from Intel for the original owner, a person might have standing. Otherwise, the plaintiff would have to show by a preponderance of the evidence, that Intel knowingly sold defective CPU's. And in doing so, perpetrated fraud on the consumer, as well as putting the consumer at risk or was the subsequent cause for said consumer to suffer financial harm etc.

I have no doubt that class action suits will be filed by the end of the week. Proving damages is a whole different legal story.

Intel doesn’t guarantee any particular performance but they do advertise and market things like benchmarks and times for various tasks. Could be false advertising. Also could be exposure if anyone had their **** stolen because of it.
 
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What else can go wrong? .... :rolleyes:

Never ask that question.


Let's prepare some popcorn and see what happens tomorrow morning...
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I could understand why Apple is readying crazy fast ARM processors to finally replace these inside their Macs.

I can see it now.... Macs with ARM inside, which require annual replacements to a non-user replaceable battery in order to maintain their advertised / original speed lest the CPU be throttled to avoid a random sudden shutdown that would otherwise result in a potential loss of user data.

Oh what fun ....
 
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