Intel Delays Next-Generation Broadwell Chips Until 2014 Due to Manufacturing Issue

That roadmap is insane! 5 nm is about 50 atoms! There's got be a paradigm shift soon - anyone know how quantum tunneling is prevented?
 
Oh Noes!!

Cue the crazies who'll claim that this is proof that Apple is abandoning Macs, or they are doomed, spark some stupid iPhone vs. Android flamefest, or some other non-sequitur.
 
mdriftmeyer said:
They're already stamping out designs at 10nm and 7nm. They medium material will evolve but we will most certainly see the picometer phase.
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How do you know this?

That is fascinating! I wonder what chips Apple is able to already start playing with.

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mdriftmeyer said:
They're already stamping out designs at 10nm and 7nm. They medium material will evolve but we will most certainly see the picometer phase.
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I wonder how much power those CPU chips use...

I hope that GPU improvement is considered paramount.
 
Actually, its a good jo its delayed...

Haswell need to settle in....

Intel is tossing out chips to the public like fly's on a wall..
 
mdriftmeyer said:
They're already stamping out designs at 10nm and 7nm. They medium material will evolve but we will most certainly see the picometer phase.
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When one talks about 17nm, 10nm, etc. manufacturing, is there a difference between Intel and, sa,y Samsung? (Are all 17nm based chips pretty much the same or does Intel have anything special advantage over Samsung)?
 
Xerotech said:
Very interesting indeed. I wonder how much smaller chips can get before they hit the pinnacle.
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Development on chips that contain transistors the size of a single molecule, has been going on for some time, and we'll no doubt see this kind of ultimate miniaturization coming to devices of the future. Hang tight.

http://www.gizmag.com/optical-transistor-made-from-single-molecule/12157/

Also 3D transistors: http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/02/tech/innovation/are-computer-chips-verge-quantum/
 
So.....

we are getting a scope from the next year, Intel....?

I think Apple can and maybe must squeeze the juicy of Haswell and another chips designed for power management and consuption, at least in mobile computing, where power always is an issue. Delays in Intel plans affect to a broader spectrum of OEM makers, with the exception of those based in AMD chips.

So, the thing is this delay can put an advantage in the AMD field...? Remains to see and I have to confess my ignorance no putting attention about AMD efforts......:confused:


:):apple:
 
I don't understand, I thought Broadwell was already scheduled for next year. Just like every chip for the past few generations, each one being released in the Spring (Haswell was a little late this year, coming out in June).

Were they originally planning to release Broadwell this year? :confused:
 
wiz329 said:
Haswell won't bring hardly any tangible improvements to the Mac Mini line. Performance is only slightly better, and thermals are the same or slightly worse.

The big advantages to Haswell are mobile power consumption and the addition of new features to the chipset (ie native USB 3.0, more onboard SATA ports). None of this really affects the Mac Mini, as it doesn't run on battery power, already has USB 3.0, and doesn't have space for any additional SATA ports.
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I think you are forgetting a major improvement which is the onboard GPU. Mac Mini does not have a dedicated GPU, so I'm guessing the previous poster was excited about that bump.
 
Intel don't exactly have any pressure to perform at the moment except on the really low low power chips to compete with the ARM designs so they are probably taking their time in part to see what others are doing first. No point spending loads of money giving people new kit which costs more to make if your stuff is already the best on the market.
 
Even with the delay, Intel will still be ahead of the rest of the world. I think most companies just moved to like 28 nm.
 
iRun26.2 said:
When one talks about 17nm, 10nm, etc. manufacturing, is there a difference between Intel and, sa,y Samsung? (Are all 17nm based chips pretty much the same or does Intel have anything special advantage over Samsung)?
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From what I understand, a transistor from Intel is not the same as a transistor from Samsung or TSMC or Global Foundries. I think of it in two aspects: 1) scaling (how small is the transistor) and 2) features of the transistors themselves. A "next generation" transistor usually is scaled and has new features.

In terms of scaling (making them smaller so you can fit more transistors on the same size die/chip), Samsung/TSMC's 28nm process is equivalent to Intel's 32nm process; Samsung/TSMC's 20nm process is equivalent to Intel's 22nm process. That changes for 14nm though (Intel calls it 14nm, others call it 14nm or 16nm).

In terms of features, Intel 22nm is the first tri-gate transistor. Samsung/TSMC 20nm is still planar. TSMC and Global Foundries are introducing tri-gate on their 16nm/14nm generation, but their 14nm generation isn't a true scaling reduction. They fit the same number of transistors at 14nm as they do at 20nm. The only difference is that they now have tri-gate at 14nm. So at 14nm you can't really compare Intel to Samsung/TSMC any more. I don't know why or how they are calling it 14nm when it really isn't scaling the transistors versus 20nm.
 
MacRumors said:
Based on Intel's prospective timeline with production beginning during the first quarter of 2014, Broadwell MacBooks could make an appearance at next year's Worldwide Developers Conference, which is where the Haswell MacBook Airs debuted.
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So if I buy a new Retina MBP when they come out next month it could be out of date in just 7 months. That sucks!
 
MellowFuzz said:
That roadmap is insane! 5 nm is about 50 atoms! There's got be a paradigm shift soon - anyone know how quantum tunneling is prevented?
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Scotty is working on it. Something to do with dilithium crystal alignment. He needs twelve more hours, could you please give him some space, dammit!
 
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