Intel Expecting Apple to Transition to Custom ARM-Based Chips Starting in 2020

[goobot]

I would assume this would be a slow role out starting with the MacBook. This will allow compatibility to be added over time to existing apps while those who hold out for compatibility are unaffected. During that time they would also work out the kinks and try to eventually outperform intel chips to covert the rest of the line up over.

 

[Reindeer_Games]

So you’re implying that people bought more macs to run Windows on them?

Okay.

Dual boot, don't make inference from my words. It only shows your willingness to mock.

 

[TSE]

Well-I guess that settles it. Apple was nice for decade and a half, but an ARM will never be an i7.

Hahahaha! I'm expecting this post to be the equivalent of the posts here saying the iPhone was the end of Apple back in 2007.

See you in fifteen years buddy!

 

[JordanNZ]

Dual boot, don't make inference from my words. It' only shows your willingness to mock.

I don’t believe that’s why people buy a Mac. That’s all. A small subset of users dualboot.

 

[citysnaps]

Who?....oh yeah I had a Nokia when Cricket came out. Sent my first text on one. Again, what does that have to do with this thread. Stay on topic please-thank you.

Please read the post I was responding to. Context matters.

 

[Reindeer_Games]

Hahahaha! I'm expecting this post to be the equivalent of the posts here saying the iPhone was the end of Apple back in 2007.

See you in fifteen years buddy!

Read a bit further, buddy.

Please read the post I was responding to. Context matters.

I only replied to your response to me. I apologize if I missed something.

 

[cocoua]

I agree, the surface pro is way overpriced. not even sure why they call it pro.

I disagree , Im a apple fan boy since 1999 and SFP is my firts wondows since 2003, but is a really nice machine, softaware problems ahead (too many) hardware is incredible, I can draw in a real computer, I can work everywhere, change stuff on the move with the pen an real apps, something I only can do with a wired Cintiq attached to a mac.
And all this in a device a bit thicker than an iPad. But apple is making big money with their toy, shame you apple, only apple portable device with a pen is an iPad, while PC world has many real artist devices.

 

[asiga]

ARM Macs could be great Macs if iOS didn't exist, or if iOS didn't run on ARM. But because iOS exists and runs on ARM, this just means bye bye to MacOS and get ready to use a desktop-enabled iOS version in your "Mac".

Besides, dropping Intel in a time where virtual machines can be found everywhere in the professional work, is a very bad idea.

Well, the time when iOS defeated the Mac had to arrive, because Apple has long wished it. And it looks this is it.

 

[JordanNZ]

macOS won’t be going away.

ARM Macs could be great Macs if iOS didn't exist, or if iOS didn't run on ARM. But because iOS exists and runs on ARM, this just means bye bye to MacOS and get ready to use a desktop-enabled iOS version in your "Mac".

Besides, dropping Intel in a time where virtual machines can be found everywhere in the professional work, is a very bad idea.

Well, the time when iOS defeated the Mac had to arrive, because Apple has long wished it. And it looks this is it.

 

[Heineken]

ARM Macs could be great Macs if iOS didn't exist, or if iOS didn't run on ARM. But because iOS exists and runs on ARM, this just means bye bye to MacOS and get ready to use a desktop-enabled iOS version in your "Mac".

Besides, dropping Intel in a time where virtual machines can be found everywhere in the professional work, is a very bad idea.

Well, the time when iOS defeated the Mac had to arrive, because Apple has long wished it. And it looks this is it.

Where are you getting this nonsense?

 

[Colonel Blimp]

Now I am definitely delaying my purchase until later 2021. Interesting times ahead though. I hope Apple is working with Microsoft to build a port of Windows 10 for A Series with full desktop Office apps. Apple should get some developers on board to do the same for their apps: Adobe, AutoDesk, Intuit etc.

You’re delaying your purchase for two and a half years based on a rumor?

 

[Lankyman]

What does this have to do with MacOS? Certainly they will have no problem porting it to ARM. ARM macs are going to run MacOS, not iOS.

And the Mac hardware that you may be buying today complete with the much loved Intel CPU. What happens to that investment in the longer term if the rumours are true?

 

[jamesrick80]

Integration across all devices a significant advantage that few could match. Samsung one example. The reason I have an iPad at all, Apps. A touch screen with pencil support across all devices would be nice. Hopefully this rumor turns into reality.

Hmm it's nice to be fully integrated with Samsung.... every Samsung mobile device I own has a s-pen, file manager, mouse support too....people just waiting for these capabilities should jump on board.

 

[citysnaps]

Except the market share Apple has if the global PC market is so insignificant it’s hardly worth mentioning. I believe it’s still in the single figures.. the total opposite to the mobile phone market.

Which has nothing to do with the point I was making.

 

[Reindeer_Games]

I don’t believe that’s why people buy a Mac. That’s all. A small subset of users dualboot.

Fair enough, but I'd say it's bigger than non-dual booter's realize. It's why they got my money the first few times. Every machine I see that reaches EOL become a Windows Machine though-and that's the salvage value these current Apples will always carry.

 

[Btaylor_prod]

This isn’t an issue of speed or refresh cycles to me. It’s about supporting the tools and software I need to run on a daily basis.
It might be dandy for the people who only use their computers for word processing and the occasional IOS app. Anyone else who want to use their macs to run x86 software would be left wanting.
The transition would take years for companies to fully support Arm.

 

[lJoSquaredl]

Excited for this because Apple can hopefully get their release schedule worked out better, I use FCPX so I'll probably benefit immensely from this, and they can make chips that work better with the whole shot overall.

Having said that I also am selling my aging gaming PC and using my MBP for things, so this may screw up my hobby a bit.

 

[EvilEvil]

Well-I guess that settles it. Apple was nice for decade and a half, but an ARM will never be an i7.

The bigger they get, the harder they fall.

 

[JRobinsonJr]

hahah those who think ARM CPU is anything like an Intel or AMD chip. Apples and Oranges dependent on tasks. Its amazing when you can code and run specific things only on an ARM aka iPad Pro performance. Yet you have an intel and AMD CPU's which can do so much more and you'd see that in plenty of benchmarks with real world tasks and proper computing.

Good point. However, I can’t help but think that Apple could build a best-of-all-world’s platform by having a kick-butt ARM that has an x86 ‘co-processor’. Imagine if a Mac could run ARM-based apps at full speed, taking advantage of the incredible capabilities of that platform, then seamlessly multitask with x86 apps... also running at native speeds.

I can see Apple putting an ARM chip as a secondary processor to the Intel to permit offloading iOS apps.

Not being a chip engineer... and I wrong to think this?

 

[cocoua]

“and they have ramped up given the many Intel chip delays that have resulted in subsequent delays for Mac products. With its own ARM-based chips, Apple will not be tied to Intel's chip release cycles. ”

I dont understand why you keep repeating this, which is false! Apple updates their macs when they want, not when Intel releases cycles!! Hahahahha! Maaan, where are the iMacs with the 5ghz i9??
Maybe i9 are to expensive or too hot for iMacs, but this is not the only example, as rarely Apple updates right after Intels releases, they hold and hold and (mac mini, mac pro ahem) hold

 

[JordanNZ]

It depends... All developers selling on the Mac App Store have been required to submit bitcode for a while now.

This isn’t an issue of speed or refresh cycles to me. It’s about supporting the tools and software I need to run on a daily basis.
It might be dandy for the people who only use their computers for word processing and the occasional IOS app. Anyone else who want to use their macs to run x86 software would be left wanting.
The transition would take years for companies to fully support Arm.

 

[oldmacs]

“and they have ramped up given the many Intel chip delays that have resulted in subsequent delays for Mac products. With its own ARM-based chips, Apple will not be tied to Intel's chip release cycles. ”

I dont understand why you keep repeating this, which is false! Apple updates their macs when they want, not when Intel releases cycles!! Hahahahha! Maaan, where are the iMacs with the 5ghz i9??
Maybe i9 are to expensive or too hot for iMacs, but this is not the only example, as rarely Apple updates right after Intels releases, they hold and hold and (mac mini, mac pro ahem) hold

Exactly. Apple can't be bothered to update Macs full stop. There are countless times where Macs have languished without updates when there have been suitable intel chips.

 

[cmaier]

And the Mac hardware that you may be buying today complete with the much loved Intel CPU. What happens to that investment in the longer term if the rumours are true?

You keep using it until its time to buy a new computer?

 

[lewdvig]

I can't wait! Mac will finally have the latest games (LOL, mobile ones, but it still counts).

Thinner lighter and with longer battery life. Great CPU and GPUs.

This change can't arrive fast enough.

 

[apolloa]

So you already know everything huh? Maybe it's a good time to invest or something?

It's pretty obvious which way they will take this, Apple have already made tools to convert iOS apps to the Mac, that's not a future prediction. It's not rocket science to see where this will go.

I believe this is a factor in why they want to move the Mac closer to that big, active iOS developer base.

And what developers will spend time and money to migrate their iOS apps to the Mac which has such a tiny user base? It will only be Macs under a certain age that will support them which limits the user base even more with Apples policy to kill off support for older machines.

Sorry, but a move to ARM will kill the Mac more then it already has been.