Intel HD 530 Graphics Discussion

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  1. NickPhamUK, Nov 3, 2016
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    NickPhamUK macrumors 6502

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    I know that GFLOPS is not the perfect method to compare graphics card, but until we get our hands on the MBP 15", it remains the most useful.

    As you may probably have known, the Intel HD 530 Graphics will drive your day-to-day tasks. The Radeon Pro 450/455/460 will only kick in for GPU-intensive apps.

    MBP 15" (2016) - 530 - 442 GFLOPS
    MBP 13" (2016) - 540 - 806.4 GFLOPS
    MBP 13" (2016) - 550 - 884.9 GFLOPS
    MBP 15" (2015) - 5200 - 832 GFLOPS
    MBP 13" (2015) - 6100 - 845 GFLOPS

    Two points:
    (1) Iris 530 is roughly half as powerful as the 540/550, and the MBP 15" is supposed to drive more pixels.
    (2) We have seen IU lag on previous generations. Do you think this will be the case?
     
  2. JMac1996 macrumors regular

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    Really confusing these Numbers... :confused:

    I hope there will be no UI lag at all.
    I read that the previous models could get fixed through software. (the UI lag was noticeable in Yosemite, with El Capitan it should improved and fixed the lag, but I can't confirm that in person)

    Maybe we are driving us crazy, while we wait on our machines. I'm feeling like I need a little distance to this forum but I'm addicted. :D

    For me it makes no sense, that the 15" Models have weaker iGpus than the 13" models. o_O
     
  3. Meicyn macrumors regular

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    Honestly, I think the 15" model is going to be making use of the eGPU on the regular.
     
  4. JMac1996 macrumors regular

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    Do we have to handle with a reduced Battery Life then? :eek:
    If the eGPU kicks in more often and for simpler tasks, I don't see the 10 Hours which are promised? :confused:
     
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    My Surface Book only has an HD 520 in it and that drives a 3000 x 1500 screen most of the time without any issues (the discrete Nvidia GPU isn't used that much), so I'd expect the 530 to do just fine
     
  6. leman macrumors G3

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    The HD 530 is more then sufficient to do basic desktop compositing on a 4K display. FLOPS are pretty much meaningless for that task, what you need first and foremost is memory bandwidth (which the 2016 model has in abundance compared to 2015 one). And the UI lag in certain application is problem of employed algorithms rather then the GPU power. E.g. mission control lags sometimes because it actually needs to collect live updates from all open apps — so if you have 40 windows open, it will take some time to kick in. The App Store lags because it uses responsive layout which seems to be very expensive to calculate on window resizes. And so on.

    P.S. The Radeon dGPU itself should be comparable (or even better) in efficiency to the Intel iGPU. The problem with power consumption is more the VRAM
     
  7. Calleknug macrumors member

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    Yeah I've been thinking about this too, could the new dgpus be effective enough to not reduce battery life or something? I don't see how the macOS UI will not be at least a little laggy with the hd 530 only. Maybe Apple think it's fine selling us a 3000k dollar machine that either has 10h laggy batterylife or 5h without, would unfortunately not be that suprised anymore. Is the HD530 driving the second screen a.k.a. the touch bar aswell?
     
  8. leman macrumors G3

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    I think its most likely that the external monitors are connected via the AMD GPU. AFAIK, the touch bar has its own processor.
     
  9. dk808 macrumors 6502a

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    Will the 460 consumer more power than the base 450? Like would it cause more heat/fan noise because its a more powerful gpu?
     
  10. torana355, Nov 3, 2016
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    From my experience if the DGPU does not get used more often to compensate the general UI will lag with the HD 530, no doubt about it. The 2016 13" rMBP is the first retina Macbook to not suffer UI lag, even when scaling. Im well aware the UI lag is not a hardware issue, but a good GPU helps and the Iris 540 seems to totally overcome it :)
     
  11. leman macrumors G3

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    Uh, thats a tough question. I am very tempted to answer it with 'yes'. The more VRAM will definitely consume more power. The GPU itself, well, very likely. The thing is that even though it has 6 more cores, its probably higher binned than the 450 chips and thus more energy-efficient in itself. But if I had to guess, I'd say, yes, the 460 will consume significantly more power under load and will therefore need better heat dissipation.
     
  12. nitschi macrumors member

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    Those are excellent questions and I'm honestly waiting for the first in depth reviews from arstechnica, anandtech et al.

    I'm planning to buy the 15" MBP and use it almost exclusively in 1680x1050 or 1920x1200 setting, so potential UI lag could be even more of a concern.

    It's a shame since I wanted to hit the trigger already and order for a early December delivery but since I want a future proof laptop for the next 3-4 years minimum I'll wait a little bit longer.. :(
     
  13. dk808 macrumors 6502a

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    Apple has a 14 day return policy so you could've just ordered it early and return it if its an issue
     
  14. nitschi macrumors member

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    Good point, I didn't think about this. The only thing I'm "afraid" of is that I might burn my once-a-year student discount if I buy and then return it. But that could probably be resolved in case.
     
  15. dk808 macrumors 6502a

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    Are you from the U.S? I think they dont even ask for proof for the student discount if you order online
     
  16. nitschi macrumors member

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    No, European here :) we have to open the Apple store via a designated login for students (and you have to register for this login first; with confirmation that you're actually a student).
     
  17. DanielDD macrumors 6502

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    Hi, European here. I'm a student but I was never asked for any confirmation of it. Just log-in into your Apple ID on Apple edu store and that's it
     
  18. nitschi macrumors member

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    You're actually correct, but that's for the "standard" Edu store with its measly 5-6% discount. When I use the login store I get 10% in the official Apple online store. ;)
     
  19. aevan macrumors 68030

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    I don't think there will be an issue with lag. It's not as simple as "just put a faster GPU and it won't lag".

    But, in reallity, I doubt Apple would put that card in there if it would lag. "But they did it with the iMac 5K base model!". No, they didn't - the M290X runs great - it was a software issue they fixed with El Capitan.

    Even with all that negative talk, I do think Apple engineers want to provide the best experience. The HD 530 draws less power than the Iris Pro. Since every MacBook Pro will have a dedicated Radeon, I think it made sense to use the HD 530 instead - but not at the cost of lag (so I have faith they made the best choice).

    Also, if it does by any chance lag, you can always turn off Automatic graphics switching in Settings and use just the Radeon card that is certainly more powerful than Iris Pro.
     
  20. radus macrumors 6502

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    Using Windows 10 and Linux on the Dell Precison 5510 Intel Core i7-6820HQ with the 530 graphics (same processor as it is in the 15" Macbook Pro i7 basic edition) --- there is not any kind of UI-lag !!

    We will not see any UI-lag on the Mac to.
     
  21. torana355 macrumors 68030

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    Of course there isn't, its a totally different operating system...... The UI lag is a software issue in OSX, not in Windows or Linux.
     
  22. DanielDD macrumors 6502

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    Oh, need to check that out. That is going to save me some €€ :)
     
  23. curmudgeonette macrumors 6502

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    Your chart is missing three entries...

    MBP 15" (2016) - Pro 450 - 1000 GFLOPS
    MBP 15" (2016) - Pro 455 - 1300 GFLOPS
    MBP 15" (2016) - Pro 460 - 1860 GFLOPS

    Numbers from this thread: http://forums.macrumors.com/threads...cs-in-new-15-inch-macbook-pro-models.2009984/
     
  24. NickPhamUK thread starter macrumors 6502

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    Yep, but that's not the point of this thread. We are only discussing day-to-day tasks which means that only the iGPU are involved.
     
  25. Mcdevidr macrumors 6502a

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    I think the initial list of numbers is incorrect. There is no way the 2015 13 has an iGpu that is better than the 2016 13. I think the 6100 you are talking about is possibly the one in the 21.5 iMac.
     

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