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Intel iBook (MacBook) Arriving in May? and 17'' MacBook Pro?

dont be so sure

macgeek2005 said:
You won't be getting any money from me, because the best macbook will have a video card. Steve Jobs may be a moron, but he's not an idiot.
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I wouldn't be surprised if ALL the 'macbooks' had integrated graphics. Consumer notebooks really dont need seperate video memory. None of the minis have separate video memory.

personally I WANT integrated graphics, because i want the CHEAPEST macbook possible ;) . With a 13" widescreen, remote etc I can forsee apple charging a fair bit more for thier base model than the current 12" g4 ibook. Which will make me sad.

If a low spec core solo with integrated gfx is realeased at existing prices or lower I will be very happy, and I predict so would a lot of students / parents and other CONSUMER computer users world wide. Esp ones waiting for a cheap windows/OS X dual boot laptop so that they can run thier windows apps from work when they get home.

Fingers crossed for a high end macbook to replace the 12" PB for ya, otherwise I'll be expected a check in the post by May :D
 
I keep saying, the MacBook is the IMAC!!!! Put into a laptop. WE CANNOT COMPARE IT TO THE MAC MINI. THE MAC MINI IS A ****ING PIECE OF ****. The Mac Mini is the computer you buy for your 95 year old grandmother so that she can continuially send you annoying emails about how wonderfull her new senior home is.

There is: iMac/MacBook, Mac Pro/MacBook Pro. THEN there is the abomination of seton himself that is the Mac Mini. It's different from the rest of the lineups. The MacBook has nothing to do with it.
 
macgeek2005 said:
I keep saying, the MacBook is the IMAC!!!! Put into a laptop. WE CANNOT COMPARE IT TO THE MAC MINI. THE MAC MINI IS A ****ING PIECE OF ****. The Mac Mini is the computer you buy for your 95 year old grandmother so that she can continuially send you annoying emails about how wonderfull her new senior home is.

There is: iMac/MacBook, Mac Pro/MacBook Pro. THEN there is the abomination of seton himself that is the Mac Mini. It's different from the rest of the lineups. The MacBook has nothing to do with it.
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You are not quite right. Theoretically, it should be as you said, but in reality?

Why did G4 mini had the same specs with G4 iBook? (pre-last generation)
 
If the MacBooks have Integrated graphics than that causes series problems for me. I wanted to get a $1499 MacBook really beefed up to something like $2200. Now, I'll have to get a MacBook Pro for $2200, and I won't be able to upgrade it........
 
macgeek2005 said:
The Mac Mini is the computer you buy for your 95 year old grandmother so that she can continuially send you annoying emails about how wonderful her new senior home is.
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Lmao. That does have some truth to it. Other than some people melting and going warm and fuzzy over the "cuteness" of the mini...
 
macgeek2005 said:
I keep saying, the MacBook is the IMAC!!!! Put into a laptop. WE CANNOT COMPARE IT TO THE MAC MINI. THE MAC MINI IS A ****ING PIECE OF ****. The Mac Mini is the computer you buy for your 95 year old grandmother so that she can continuially send you annoying emails about how wonderfull her new senior home is.

There is: iMac/MacBook, Mac Pro/MacBook Pro. THEN there is the abomination of seton himself that is the Mac Mini. It's different from the rest of the lineups. The MacBook has nothing to do with it.
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Are you sure? I always thought the iMac matched the MBP specs pretty nicely. That's mostly because MBP is a notebook. I know you mean it is marketed MBP/Power Mac and iMac/MacBook but I think spec-wise it matches up MBP/iMac, so I would assume Mac mini/MacBook.
 
The only reason the specs match up with the iMac and MacBook Pro now is because they just started Intel. They'll fix it all up later. I'm sure the iMac and MacBook Pro are not gonna have the same video card in another half year. The iMac will still have the X1600 and the MacBook Pro will have the X1800. Likewise, the Mac Pro will have the X1800 or the X1900, and the MacBook will have the X1600, NOT integrated graphics.
 
macgeek2005 said:
The only reason the specs match up with the iMac and MacBook Pro now is because they just started Intel. They'll fix it all up later. I'm sure the iMac and MacBook Pro are not gonna have the same video card in another half year. The iMac will still have the X1600 and the MacBook Pro will have the X1800. Likewise, the Mac Pro will have the X1800 or the X1900, and the MacBook will have the X1600, NOT integrated graphics.
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I don't know. The MacBook Pro is a notebook, putting Power Mac parts in it might be difficult/impossible. I'm not sure the MacBook Pro will match up with the Power Mac on specs. I don't know much about hardware/heat dissipation, etc. I guess historic specs would clear this up, but I can't find any right now.
 
macgeek2005 said:
You won't be getting any money from me, because the best macbook will have a video card. Steve Jobs may be a moron, but he's not an idiot.
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Ok, but, from the Oxford Dictionary:

moron - a stupid person
idiot - a stupid person

So SJ is stupid, but not stupid?

What gives? :rolleyes:
 
macgeek2005 said:
I keep saying, the MacBook is the IMAC!!!! Put into a laptop. WE CANNOT COMPARE IT TO THE MAC MINI. THE MAC MINI IS A ****ING PIECE OF ****. The Mac Mini is the computer you buy for your 95 year old grandmother so that she can continuially send you annoying emails about how wonderfull her new senior home is.

There is: iMac/MacBook, Mac Pro/MacBook Pro. THEN there is the abomination of seton himself that is the Mac Mini. It's different from the rest of the lineups. The MacBook has nothing to do with it.
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You seem a bit too nervous, man...so the MacMini is a piece of ****? Even the G4 Mini I gave to my Dad performs beautifully for most tasks...and even moreso with the Core Solos/Core Duos.

The iBook has survived through all these years with G3s and G4s...ditto for the MacMini and its G4 chip...graphics capabilities have more or less been the same between both, as well...

The iMac is light-years ahead of the iBook, and has always been...you cannot put both in the same league, sorry.
 
macgeek2005 said:
The only reason the specs match up with the iMac and MacBook Pro now is because they just started Intel. They'll fix it all up later.
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Because, of course, the PowerMacs and PowerBooks have always had matching specs in the past :rolleyes:

The PowerMac should always have much better specs than any laptop because you don't have to make the design tradeoffs to make it mobile. It makes more sense (IMHO) for the professional MacBook Pro laptops to have similar specs to the iMac consumer desktops and the consumer MacBook laptops to have similar specs to the entry-level Mac mini desktops.
 
count chocula said:
the apple store is down right now, you think they're adding the macbook?
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No... seems to be software called Apple Remote Desktop 3.
 
macgeek2005 said:
I keep saying, the MacBook is the IMAC!!!! Put into a laptop. WE CANNOT COMPARE IT TO THE MAC MINI. THE MAC MINI IS A ****ING PIECE OF ****. The Mac Mini is the computer you buy for your 95 year old grandmother so that she can continuially send you annoying emails about how wonderfull her new senior home is.

There is: iMac/MacBook, Mac Pro/MacBook Pro. THEN there is the abomination of seton himself that is the Mac Mini. It's different from the rest of the lineups. The MacBook has nothing to do with it.
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Nice. I call my Grandmother. Funny, she likes the personal touch!
 
BRLawyer said:
I wouldn't disagree with your suggestions, Shaw, but it seems like you guys are crying over "unspilled" milk, to say the least. Apple has always offered a fairly good set of computers, ranging from a headless CPU to a big notebook; the only exception is that "minitower" thing, which is yet highly controversial from a marketing point of view.

The important points to be made are:

1) We are, right now, in the middle of the transition to Intel chips, so no conclusions may be drawn yet;

2) Apart from the Pro markets, Apple has ALWAYS advocated for AIOs as the best and simplest solutions for consumers. Unsurprisingly, the Cube fiasco has shown them that mid-level towers might not be the best choice, market-wise.
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That Mac mini uses notebook parts. That means the optical drive is slower and more expensive, to save 1" of space. 2.5" notebook hard drives have way less capacity, and way higher costs than 3.5" desktop hard drives. For the cost of a 5400 RPM, 80 GB notebook drive, you could instead have a 7200 RPM, 250 GB desktop drive. So, if the mini was 2" taller, it could perform noticeably better, and cost less. That's why Apple needs something larger than the Mac mini.

Hell, that's not even mentionning that it could then fit a PCIe slot for an upgradeable GPU, or allow dual monitors, or take a TV tuner card to be a better media PC...
 
kalisphoenix said:
But I'm not going to mention my other reasons for being upset. In general, though, I'm wondering if there is a plan. It was sage of Apple to have been planning the Intel transition for five years, but did they have to propagandize and then counter-propagandize at every single turn, losing credibility at every turn? PPC is better -- no, now Intel is. Microsoft is Satan -- but now, you can install it next to OS X. Integrated graphics are horrible -- I mean, in the next boxes.
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Well, something that Intel CPUs, Microsoft Windows, and integrated graphics all have in common, is that they are better now than they were before. Perhaps to some people, they were sufficiently worse before so as to be unusable, and now they are sufficiently better to be usable?
 
macgeek2005 said:
Steve Jobs will die 9 days and 11 hours after the MacBooks are released if they have integrated graphics in all models.
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That's freakin hilarious. You should make that your signature.

Of course you'll look a little mental by June 10th... :)
 
Okay look. My budget is $2300. If I get a MacBook Pro it has to be a good one. I'll barely be able to afford the better 15" model, after the "17 comes out. It'll take it with the standard ram, standard hard drive, and standard everything.

Don't you think it's a better deal to get a $2000 MacBook with 2GB of ram, and a larger Hard Drive? If they have a video card, that's what I'm doing.
 
MarkCollette said:
That Mac mini uses notebook parts. That means the optical drive is slower and more expensive, to save 1" of space. 2.5" notebook hard drives have way less capacity, and way higher costs than 3.5" desktop hard drives. For the cost of a 5400 RPM, 80 GB notebook drive, you could instead have a 7200 RPM, 250 GB desktop drive. So, if the mini was 2" taller, it could perform noticeably better, and cost less. That's why Apple needs something larger than the Mac mini.

Hell, that's not even mentionning that it could then fit a PCIe slot for an upgradeable GPU, or allow dual monitors, or take a TV tuner card to be a better media PC...
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Hardcore Mac users are under the impression that every user is willing to accept decreased functionality for a better looking machine and let Apple mostly pick the configuration for them in exchange for owning an Apple computer. The mainstream computer market works exactly the other way. Might be why despite a vastly superior OS and firmware implementation than wintel machines, they're getting less than 5% of the market.
 
BenRoethig said:
Hardcore Mac users are under the impression that every user is willing to accept decreased functionality for a better looking machine and let Apple mostly pick the configuration for them in exchange for owning an Apple computer. The mainstream computer market works exactly the other way. Might be why despite a vastly superior OS and firmware implementation than wintel machines, they're getting less than 5% of the market.
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avoiding a generalization, i am under the impression that buying an apple computer is a statement that regardless of what ELSE you want, you accept the "tradeoffs" within any apple product.

i am waiting for a 17" macbook pro for the precise reason that i do NOT agree with the loss of functionality for the 15 and i anticipate a better balance of form and function (in regards to MY demands) in with the 17". buying a product such as a computer and then complaining that it isnt upgradeable seems foolish to me. you know this before you buy, buying means that you don't mind. (i know that a great many people have no idea whether or not anything can be upgraded or why they would want to as they buy. but that is not apple's fault.)
 
Thataboy said:
I think eventually the MacBook will be at 999/1299, but, like the Mac minis, I would guess they start out at a 100 early-adopter premium. Therefore, I expect 1099/1399.

I agree with others who believe the MacBook should come in white and black. I think the iMac should as well. Buyers have shown that they LIKE the black in consumer-level Apple products. I do hope the MacBook design is more refreshed than the MacBook Pro's was.

Announce it already, Apple!! :p
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I like the idea of a Black "Macbook" but hope that they will have some form of scratch resistance ,my 30gb Black I-pod video is encased in a clear crystal casing and I can't see this solution being available for a "Macbook",LOL.
I was thinking to get the "Macbook pro" to up-grade from my current "Powerbook G4" 15" and then discovered the latest news on "Macbooks with Intel etc, and thought it would be a good idea to wait, I just hope I can live with a smaller screen.
 
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