From what I understand, Apple has been Intel's key collaborator on this technology, but the call was Intel's. Apple supports making the standard open, though.
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Intel Looks to Broaden Thunderbolt 3 Adoption by Integrating Into Future CPUs, Eliminating Royalties
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From what I understand, Apple has been Intel's key collaborator on this technology, but the call was Intel's. Apple supports making the standard open, though.
Latest AGESA updates remove a lot of new-born child problems for Ryzen platform, and the memory compatibility. Overall IPC of Ryzen CPUs is between Broadwell and Haswell. The lack of IPC is countered by higher core counts.
Do not project your thoughts about what Apple cares, or cares not about. Lately everything we have known Apple for has been very much disproven.
This will allow for
There is not even a proposal for USB 4.0... will certainly take more then a few years until it appears
Couple of years? That means it will be in the next refresh of the Mac mini.
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Very good point. At the moment I think AMD have a better offering for the pro desktop market need to see what the mobile chips shape up to.
If you drop any sort of modern Laptop from more than a 4-foot distance, you probably shouldn't be using itI personally want a Macbook Pro so thin and light, I can wave it like a flag!
But seriously, at what point does a pro machine become so thin that it is fragile and not durable for a professional?
This obsession with thinness over power needs to stop at some point.
I feel the same way about iPhones. I don't want a $1000 phone that gets dropped once and thrown in the garbage can.
I think all USB-C ports with USB 3.0 speeds are actually labelled USB 3.1 gen 1.
Raven Ridge APUs are coming. 4core CPUs+704 GCN core chips are topping at 35W for mobile, and go down to 15W. They differ only in clock speeds. And are coming up in 2H 2017
Macs across the board are already expected to feature Kaby Lakes. Extensive sources have said so already
https://9to5mac.com/2017/02/07/kaby-lake-macbook-pro-code-references/
https://www.macrumors.com/2017/01/16/kaby-lake-macbooks-ming-chi-kuo/
https://www.macrumors.com/2017/04/06/imac-xeon-e3-64gb-ram-amd-late-october/
https://www.forbes.com/sites/brooke...book-air-refresh-what-to-expect/#f114f6ff114f
Craig Federighi was recently quoted as saying "And we certainly work with Intel on our needs to deliver chips into our Mac roadmap and we see that continuing." Source: https://techcrunch.com/2017/04/06/t...-john-ternus-on-the-state-of-apples-pro-macs/
Apple and Intel have a 11 year old relationship. Sorry to burst your bubble but Ryzen Macs are not going to happen for at least the next 2-3 years. That you can quote me on
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It only reinforces Apple disregard for it's customers. USB-C is the future.
But as others have noted, providing one USB-A port would have gone a long way in helping users transition.
And that whole argument that people wont change unless forced, don't hold water. Pros naturally need high speed transfers and will gravitate to that standard.
For devices that don't need the throughput or have a bottleneck somewhere else then there is little point, it is the same connector so will not affect the user.
Eg an external drive that has a slow SSD in it does not need thunderbolt 3 USB-C might already max out the hard drives speed.
"Thunderbolt 3 carries power, USB, DisplayPort, HDMI, and VGA over a single port that shares the USB-C connector design, creating one standard for connecting most accessories and peripherals. Apple's latest MacBook Pro has two or four Thunderbolt 3 ports depending on the model."
Correction: Thunderbolt (all versions) carry Power, PCI Express, USB, DisplayPort, HDMI, VGA, and beccause of those protocols (namely PCIe) you get to include SATA, DVI, Ethernet, and Audio.
What's changed with Thunderbolt 3 is: 1. The connector is now USB-C; 2. The amount of Power has been increased to 100w; 3. PCIe bandwidth doubled (to 40Gb/s) 4. USB capability has been upgraded to USB 3.1 gen 2 (10Gb/s).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thunderbolt_(interface)
Correction: Thunderbolt (all versions) carry Power, PCI Express, USB, DisplayPort, HDMI, VGA, and beccause of those protocols (namely PCIe) you get to include SATA, DVI, Ethernet, and Audio.
What's changed with Thunderbolt 3 is: 1. The connector is now USB-C; 2. The amount of Power has been increased to 100w; 3. PCIe bandwidth doubled (to 40Gb/s) 4. USB capability has been upgraded to USB 3.1 gen 2 (10Gb/s).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thunderbolt_(interface)
It's always been Intel, but it used to go by LightPeak. It eventually changed names when the technology moved away from fiber-only to include copper.
I think he meant something along the lines of: if you buy an expensive laptop today with only one TB3 port (the usual on Windows laptops, nowadays) you'll have some issues in 2-3 years, because you'll be forced to use legacy peripherals due to the lack of ports. Only time will tell, though.
To be fair if you need "old" ports now, and purchased hardware that supports those ports that's not a regret, it's getting the job done. Now just because Intell is going to make it a license free standard by incorporating it into their CPUs, errmm I can’t imagine Apple being happy about that. Intel guy "Hey Apple you know that technology we co-created? Guess what we found a loophole and now Windows users/OEMs can use it or sell machines with it for free!"
But ... I have a good 2-3 years before I 'regret' my decision to buy a 2015 mbp, those who bought the 2016 model got the priveledge of being able to regret their purchase right away!
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If anything the earliest I would expect Macs to adopt AMD CPUs by next year.Macs across the board are already expected to feature Kaby Lakes. Extensive sources have said so already
https://9to5mac.com/2017/02/07/kaby-lake-macbook-pro-code-references/
https://www.macrumors.com/2017/01/16/kaby-lake-macbooks-ming-chi-kuo/
https://www.macrumors.com/2017/04/06/imac-xeon-e3-64gb-ram-amd-late-october/
https://www.forbes.com/sites/vmware...kspace-spanning-the-generations/#1f0f136b1f0f
Apple and Intel have a healthy 11 year old relationship. Sorry to burst your bubble but Ryzen Macs are not going to happen for at least the next 2-3 years. That you can quote me on
Secondly. There is small Italian site, that has been pretty accurate when it goes to AMD information. They even got CPU core clocks right. And they say that AMD provided to Apple Raven Ridge APU engineering samples as early as December 2015, and that we have to expect AMD branded laptops in future.
http://www.bitsandchips.it/english/52-english-news/6183-apple-could-use-custom-x86-soc-made-by-amd
http://www.bitsandchips.it/english/52-english-news/7478-apu-zen-in-macbook-pro-between-2017-and-2018
However it will not happen earlier than Intel opening up Thunderbolt protocol. And the dates support this theory.
There is a possibility that it would be custom SoC, with HBM2 on package, 4C/8T and 16 CU design.
I hope this kind of means all USB type C ports will also be by default Thunderbolt gen 2 ports! That would be quality as Thunderbolt adds so many possibilities for pass through power and daisy chaining and display stuff all in one that truly makes it the one port to end the need for any other ports. I wished HDMI etc would adopt USBc as a standard too that would be sick! HDMI isn't a bad connector but it's worse than Thundebolt at this point and can just be replaced with ease with a universal cable that could let TVs do SO MUCH MORE too.
Imagine your TV connecting to an Apple TV or other device and being able to download content to it like a DVR or using it to add new graphics and processing power. You could even have a playstation type device use the panel directly removing all the TV lag and speeding up or the TV functions as well, adding picture in picture or anything could be done without the need for a new TV.
Imagine your TV connecting to an Apple TV or other device and being able to download content to it like a DVR or using it to add new graphics and processing power. You could even have a playstation type device use the panel directly removing all the TV lag and speeding up or the TV functions as well, adding picture in picture or anything could be done without the need for a new TV.
Sadly so few people get this part. Yes, it sucks to switch and have to use some adapters for a bit but the payoff is HUGE. Once you make the change you never need a different cable for power, and a different cable for networking and a different one for your monitor, and a different one for your hard drive, and a different one for your card reader, and a different one for your....
Switching to Thunderbolt 3 means a single cable can run everything and run it as speeds beyond what anything currently on the market can achieve.
I'm already super happy with the new MBP and Thunderbolt 3. When I sit down at my desk, I plugin a single cable which means charging and connection to my dual monitors, external hard drives, keyboard, and other peripheral. Super simple and fast with a single connection. Sure beats having to deal with a million different devices and plugging each one in every time as some seem to love.
I may have this wrong. [Please correct me if I do.]
But the major difference to "what has changed?" (aside from the list off wikipedia):
Thunderbolt 3 with its USB-C connector offers a USB ALTERNATE MODE capability, not available on its two earlier iterations. That is, rather than always tunneling protocols, TB3 now has the ability to carry protocols natively in alternate mode (without tunneling) over the USB-C differential pairs.
What's worrying is the slow transition of Thunderbolt II peripherals into Tunderbolt3. Manufacturers of such devices are still not adopting to new TB spec, one of the earliest TB adopter in audio production UAD have yet to release TB3 device.
They still sell TB2 accelerators, the only difference is if you have TB3 you have to buy the dongle and you guessed it Apples TB2 to TB3 dongle is no recommended
If that is the case with TB manufacturers then what is the chance that USB peripherals manufacturers such as HP, Epson switch to USB-C or TB3. Another blow to USB-C TB3 is USB-A 3.1 gen II which is more than sufficient for all your SSD data transfers, so USB-A still lives.
They still sell TB2 accelerators, the only difference is if you have TB3 you have to buy the dongle and you guessed it Apples TB2 to TB3 dongle is no recommended
If that is the case with TB manufacturers then what is the chance that USB peripherals manufacturers such as HP, Epson switch to USB-C or TB3. Another blow to USB-C TB3 is USB-A 3.1 gen II which is more than sufficient for all your SSD data transfers, so USB-A still lives.
Not to mention lower prices for all these great, but so far pricey TB accessories such as ext. storage and docks.