Actually it's more like "co-invent", Apple requested for a technology like this and offered the original direction, then Intel's engineers and Apple's engineers spent some together and realized it. That's why Intel allowed Apple to announce it before itself did, and allowed Apple to have exclusive access to the technology in the first year. Of course, when we look it back, that "exclusive access" means nothing to Apple, as the eventual ThunderBolt uses a totally different connector from the earlier versions.
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Actually it's more like "co-invent", Apple requested for a technology like this and offered the original direction, then Intel's engineers and Apple's engineers spent some together and realized it. That's why Intel allowed Apple to announce it before itself did, and allowed Apple to have exclusive access to the technology in the first year. Of course, when we look it back, that "exclusive access" means nothing to Apple, as the eventual ThunderBolt uses a totally different connector from the earlier versions.
AMD gets a lot of hate for some reason...at the end of the day gaming plays the biggest role in CPU choices, which Apple has no serious market share. Regular users in the market rarely push their CPU to the limit to care.
Will moving the Thunderbolt controller to the CPU itself tax the processor during intensive transfers? I thought the separation of the controller from the CPU was a good thing. Or maybe there's something I'm not understanding.
Except Apple did it at a WRONG time, the correct time to have a ThunderBolt-3-ports-only computer should 4-5 years in the future. For the moment, it should keep at least a USB-A and a mini-display (ThunderBolt 2) port on the MacBook Pros.
Depends on implementation but not likely. Similar to other controllers being integrated into the CPU die, it would be a stand-alone controller, just integrated into the overall package, so that it doesn't really add CPU cycles. Benefit is smaller footprint, less chips needing to be added to the motherboard, and since it's on-die, much closer, with a much shorter and more efficient interconnect allowing for lower latencies.
Sorry, you still did not provide any sources on where it says AMD provided engineering sample to Apple. No where in the posts does it say that.
That entire thread is discussing AMD GPUs, not CPUs. The one random person on the internet, who has just 5 posts on his profile all of which belonging to one thread from December 2016, made some post that 'I see references to Raven'. He didn't provide any proof or screenshots and you believe him? He also made posts like this
"My wild guess, Polaris 12 is for a new iPad Phablet 12" 4K."
"It was a wild guess, how about a 15" Phablet? The new iPhab! I also see Falcon along with Raven, does that ring any bells?"
"Maybe we get a Christmas card launch with HBM memory on a Polaris card? Dec. 13th will be interesting."
Should we believe all of this incorrect info too? LOL.
AMD Ryzen is definitely not happening this year. And it will not happen in the foreseeable future, 2-3+ years. No proof, no evidence. Just speculation like "Oh, these processors would make a good fit, maybe Apple will use them". Sorry but that's not a rumour, that is purely guessing.
Gigamaxx is the guy who found, and posted the information, with screen from Mac OS Sierra build on TonyMac Forum. He is not known on Anandtech forum, but is known on TonyMac forum
.He evidently trolled the person, with which he was talking. I have seen that he was pissed a lot that nobody referenced him as the source of the information over the internet. This thread was made on Anandtech forum, and then reposted by every site, including WCCFTech.
Ryzen is more suited for playing games than for day-to-day tasks
No reason for Apple to switch from Intel.
No reason for Apple to switch from Intel.
Its the other way around. Games are not optimized for Ryzen platform overall, yet. Pure compute software - is, but still not everywhere.
It is about time.
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Definitely!!!would be epic to see a Zen based CPU in a mac. They are really much better for creatives, with a focus on high core count over high Ghz (after all apple never let you overclock so what is the point of an overclockable intel cpu)
It could bring down the price of the top end iMac with Ryzen chips being much cheaper for the same performance + you get then benefit of ECC memory
Also for a mac pro at the moment the new AMD epic looks much better suited than intel's offering (we don't know about prices yet through)
Gigamaxx is the guy who found, and posted the information, with screen from Mac OS Sierra build on TonyMac Forum. He is not known on Anandtech forum, but is known on TonyMac forum
He evidently trolled the person, with which he was talking. I have seen that he was pissed a lot that nobody referenced him as the source of the information over the internet. This thread was made on Anandtech forum, and then reposted by every site, including WCCFTech.
Provide sources to original forums. And I am still waiting for the post on where the Italian guy said Apple is being provided AMD engineering sample.
It's time someone called out your blatant spread of misinformation
Misinformation of what?Provide sources to original forums. And I am still waiting for the post on where the Italian guy said Apple is being provided AMD engineering sample.
It's time someone called out your blatant spread of misinformation
The possibility that Apple will use Raven Ridge APUs?
https://twitter.com/bitsandchipseng/status/805456477221715970
https://twitter.com/BitsAndChipsEng/status/805515262124584960
Here you go. It was TT from B&C.According to our source, Apple will use Zen APU just in MacBook Pro and MacBook.
And last link: http://www.bitsandchips.it/52-english-news/7622-rumor-two-versions-of-raven-ridge-under-development
Another link: https://semiaccurate.com/forums/showpost.php?p=284628&postcount=7858
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Why couldn't they have included the new connection while retaining the old ones?
My rMBP from 2013 has these unused thunderbolt ports which they could have replaced with USB-C/TB3 meaning that everyone gets the best of both worlds.
Intel did most of the development. Apple gave the first version a connector in the form of mini displayport. This started as an offshoot of lightpeak.
It's definitely good news, but….. what took them so long to come to this conclusion? Had they waited a bit longer…. Thunderbolt would have 1) faced death by irrelevance (the industry might have moved on to something cheaper, better and less proprietary), or 2) maybe faced death by Apple abandonment (something Apple does to its own techs that have failed to "take off" after a few years)
Intel invented it, but in collaboration with Apple. Which is why, I believe, the Mini DisplayPort port was used. Few besides Apple would consider that port to be the most convenient one to choose. There were rumors of them using the USB port originally, but I'd assume Apple swayed their decision.
Good luck with that in school and work environments; AKA the environments that matter in the real world. The average Joe/Jane doesn't know what USB-C is, nor cares about Thunderbolt. Ask Average Joe/Jane what port they want the most and they'll say a standard USB-A port every freak'in time. Can we please stop acting like the world revolves around enthusiasts on a tech forum?
I actually like thunderbolt and USB-C, but these sensational posts about the entire world going USB-C in a few years is getting ridiculous.