Security updates don't guarantee compatibility with apps from Apple and third-party developers, especially following a major architecture change. If they did this would be a non-issue.
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Intel Macs Won't Get Updates After macOS Tahoe
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I still have Apple’s first Intel MacBook Pro sitting in my closet. It’s spotless and mechanically, it’s still like new. That was the good old days’. 🥹
And I’m curious about why are you desiring OpenGL to be axed… What benefit will it bring to macOS? Better Metal (now Metal 4) optimizations?
Agree my 2020 Intel iMac is still doing great.
Still running Catalina on my 2019 iMac. Why upgrade when every new version gets a bit worse nowadays. Okay, I'm missing out on a newer Safari version but that's about it.
No, no I did not. 😅 My bad. There was a white Intel MacBook in there under the Leopard / Snow Leopard era.
It's good when Apple actually tells folks wtf is going to happen.
Sure, if Apple does it every time. It doesn't happen every time. This is being treated as a special case for the reason I outlined.
A better time to provide this foresight would've been in 2019, so buyers of Intel Macs would've known what they were getting into a year later. Just a thought.
Did you actually buy a 2019 Mac Pro? Only Apple knows how many they sold and what the ramifications for support are.
FWIW it seems like when the Mac Pro languished for years, all the studios who needed that horsepower for motion graphics/editing/etc switched to Windows anyway.
Not surprising. What is surprising is how long they were supported
I don't have any desire for OpenGL to get axed. It's official death on Mac is something I'm just anticipating hearing eventually.
Right that’s it a new iMac is on the way next year then, 32” tiny bezels, M5 Max, great sound, stop messing around Apple get it sorted.
Let’s innovate something many want.
Let’s innovate something many want.
No, it is good when they tell us every time they do, and it's not only good if they do it every time.
And they didn't tell us in 2019, I seriously doubt they had anything approaching what could be a public roadmap for a transition the year before it STARTED.
In 2019? There definitely would've been an internal roadmap by then, and one that was already well on track in progress. Apple chose not to share it because it was afraid of affecting sales of Intel models in the meantime, not because it didn't exist.
That's my view too. When I bought my 2020 iMac roughly the week that the Mac studio came out, I was expecting macOS "16" (now 26) to drop Intel support. So I get an extra year...
I actually got absurdly lucky. My 2019 16" MacBook Pro that I bought on eBay last year, supported. My 2020 27" iMac, supported. And my mom's 2020 4TB 13" (the one that was the saddest - the SSD on her late 2013 failed, pandemic meant it couldn't be easily replaced, and we all knew the ARM machines were coming but she couldn't wait), supported.
Windows 11 isn't supported on any Intel Mac because they don't have the TPM 2.0s Microsoft expects.
Easy enough to bypass, sure, and I am sure it will work fine, but...
You're intentionally misreading me. I said clearly they wouldn't have anything they would ever want to make public. If they miss those dates, over 5 years in the future, they will have class action suits and tons of grief.
You're talking about a fantasy world where Apple tells us 5-6-7 YEARS in advance what they will be doing.
If you'd like them to be required to do this, pass legislation that makes them. Otherwise it's a non starter.
If that's the case, then the market is really, really, really dumb and economists who believe in efficient markets really need a career change.
The expectation since, oh, 2020 has been that 2025 or so's macOS update would be the end of the line for Intel Macs. Some people thought it might have been 2024's. It turns out it will technically be 2026, at least for a small set of machines.
But there is nothing unexpected here that shouldn't have been baked into the price of used Intel Macs for years...
They should probably call it an iMac Pro and offer it in the pro colours. M5 Pro/Max, 3x" retina screen, 10GbE, all the ports of a Mac studio.
But yes, isn't there a nice retina-grade LCD panel that's been on the market for a while that screams perfect for this?
I gave you the reason in post #2 of this thread why Apple wants to make this public but not other things. That's why I disagreed with the action. It's not because I'm broadly objecting to Apple giving developers advanced notice or anything like that. But apparently a lot of people thought I was?
edit: I also said 1 year, not 5. A heads-up about Apple Silicon in 2019 would've been 1 year sooner. 5 years sooner would've been in 2015!
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