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Intel Macs Won't Get Updates After macOS Tahoe

redheeler said:
Security updates don't guarantee compatibility with apps from Apple and third-party developers, especially following a major architecture change. If they did this would be a non-issue.
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I think most of the big developers will continue their practice of supporting the last three macOS versions. And then it gets very ugly very quickly for any older OS.

The small, Mac-only developers are... a bit of a different story. I could easily see them wanting to only support the latest version or maybe one more. Had that happen with one or two apps on Ventura on my 12", which is one of the reasons I OCLPed it...
 
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apparatchik said:
Asahi Linux already exists, no?
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I was replying about opencore, which is running newer macos releases on older mac hardware

Also asahi is ARM not x86, for the x86 machines being dropped you want one of the distros fully supported by the T2 Linux project
 
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Alwis said:
Yes, we knew that was comming. But they sold the last 2020 27“ iMac in 2022, so that ist only 4 1/2 years with a current OS. And this from a company that claims how environmental friendly it is.

At least the should commit to the 2 years of security updates
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Apple has probably done the math and tracked how frequently people upgrade their Mac's. Most people probably do upgrade their Mac's every 4-7 years. Some of course do hold onto theirs for much longer, but Apple is probably reasoning that the manpower it would take to keep supporting machines much beyond that time frame is not worth it.

Apple is not a charity. They are a for profit company so it does make sense to reduce costs where they can.

Apple does offer a trade in and recycling program for free.
 
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Teppic24 said:
I wonder what this means for OCLP?
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It means it's retro software. What's the mystery here? No, you can never OCLP an Arm-based PC and make it run MacOS. OCLP will continue to exist for making retro Intel Macs use the last version of a retro OS. Soon it will be no different than running Sorbet Leopard on a G5 Quad. We haven't seen any Apple Silicon Macs get old enough to drop any support yet... idk if there will be a place for hacking them to run newer releases, if it's even possible. My guess is it will be far less easy to hack even between Apple Silicon generations... Macs are really locked down now, it's a pain just to get unauthorized kexts loading.
 
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I wonder how long Apple's Intel-supported Apps will get updates? Pages, Numbers, Keynote, Final Cut Pro, Logic Pro, etc. Right now they are all Intel+Si, but at some point I'd think they would become Si only...
 
Teppic24 said:
I wonder what this means for OCLP?
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That is a very good question. Obviously no version of MacOS after Tahoe will be supported by OCLP but it is possible that Sequoia is the last version supported by OCLP as Tahoe only supports T2 Intel Macs.
 
I was a little concerned that my 2019 Macbook Pro wouldn’t be supported, but still wasn’t planning on upgrading until next year. It does exactly what I need and want it to do for now but some new features will be nice.
 
robreki said:
I wonder how long Apple's Intel-supported Apps will get updates? Pages, Numbers, Keynote, Final Cut Pro, Logic Pro, etc. Right now they are all Intel+Si, but at some point I'd think they would become Si only...
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I think all Apple apps require the latest version of macOS to update. So once macOS 27 is out, no more intel updates for Apple apps.
 
VivienM said:
I think most of the big developers will continue their practice of supporting the last three macOS versions. And then it gets very ugly very quickly for any older OS.

The small, Mac-only developers are... a bit of a different story. I could easily see them wanting to only support the latest version or maybe one more. Had that happen with one or two apps on Ventura on my 12", which is one of the reasons I OCLPed it...
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Apple itself supports the last three versions of macOS. Once macOS 26 is released, macOS 13 will no longer be supported.
 
dumastudetto said:
I think all Apple apps require the latest version of macOS to update. So once macOS 27 is out, no more intel updates for Apple apps.
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Current version of Pages says it requires macOS 14 or later... so... that would suggest that those apps might keep an Intel version until macOS 28 or so.
 
Supporting older hardware (especially older hardware on a deprecated platform) takes a looooot of effort. The scale of the problem is far greater than most here realise.

5 years of “feature” OS updates with a further 2 years of security updates is fair. That’s not a bad run for hardware that was pretty arthritic on day one (those final 16” Coffee Lake machines were pure torture, oof).
 
ADGrant said:
You are correct, fixed.
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Yup, and I think you are entirely right now that you fixed it. I would expect, say, Microsoft Office to drop Ventura support by November or so.

I was playing with a Mac running Big Sur a little while ago, ended up OCLPing it, but you could certainly feel the end-of-supportness on Big Sur by 2024-2025. I can't even remember if you still could get current Chrome/Firefox or not...
 
Release an iMac with more BTO memory and I'll transition too.

While going down in screen size would be much less than ideal, "upgrading" to less memory is a nonstarter. Currently have 72GB total system and will not be going backwards.
 
Sippincider said:
Release an iMac with more BTO memory and I'll transition too.

While going down in screen size would be much less than ideal, "upgrading" to less memory is a nonstarter. Currently have 72GB total system and will not be going backwards.
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The way the RAM quantities have gone up on the studio, I think there is some hope that the future 'iMac Pro' will have reasonable RAM quantities.
 
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VivienM said:
Am I the only one who likes those machines? And I bought mine on eBay close to three years after buying an M1 Max 16"...

Maybe my expectations were low given all the hate for these machines, but I haven't really been disappointed by mine.
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I actually quite like mine too. I bought one refurbished with the i9/64 GB RAM/5500M 8GB configuration and I use it mainly at home. I use it to play Cities: Skylines with a few dozen mods and a few thousand third party assets. It also does perfectly fine with editing 5.7k video from my GoPro and 8K 360 footage from my Insta360 camera. I prefer macOS and don’t really have the budget or space to get a proper gaming PC on top of a laptop. It’s not like gaming laptops are any better in terms of heat/fans, and they all run Windows. I know the Apple Silicon Macs are excellent and I plan on getting one in the future, but my Intel model is preferably usable for my needs.
 
VivienM said:
Am I the only one who likes those machines? And I bought mine on eBay close to three years after buying an M1 Max 16"...

Maybe my expectations were low given all the hate for these machines, but I haven't really been disappointed by mine.
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I guess it depends what you’re using it for 😅

For my typical workload (a couple browsers with a bunch of tabs, messaging apps, an IDE, terminals, text editors, office apps etc.) I found the Coffee Lake 16”ers hot, loud and excruciatingly slow. The roided out Coffee Lake chip chugged so much power it might as well have come with a permanently attached charging cable (Intel had those chips boosting like crazy to extract any meaningful gen over gen performance improvements).

Edit: I will say, I prefer the design of the 2015-2020 Intel MacBooks to the current one. I can’t put my finger on what specifically, there’s an intangible quality to them. Nothing has beaten the 12” MacBook for me 😍
 
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