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I say June of '08

:D

Intel is saying end of '08 as to not disrupt sales of current computers.

Check on the internet - this has been moved up to better bash AMD (june)

This is the tock of the tick tock - tick is the hardest part - the tock will come quickly

how many times has apple label "early" as in mac pro early '08 as if to imply a june release? ;)

so june is the ticket i say...
 
In the mobile world, this is my major issue. Given the choice, I'd rather make my Macbook or iPhone's battery last twice as long instead of making it twice as fast. I'm constantly having to charge my iPhone and I really don't feel like I use it that much. I'm definitely more annoyed by having to charge it all the time than I am about its processor speed (which is more than adequate.)

There are two ways to attack the problem- better batteries, or hardware that uses less power. The industry really seems focused more on keeping up with Moore's Law rather than increasing battery life. The market is willing to settle for 2-5 hours battery life, so the industry develops faster hardware while keeping the battery life (and prices) about the same.
Underclocking for the win!!! It is too bad OS X (EFI) doesn't expose that ability. Force the CPU to run at the lowest multiplier and lowest FSB speed. You should get crazy long battery life then.

if pentium was the "586", then Core was "686", Core 2 = "786" and Nahalem the "886"?

just curious.. i still remember when i had my 8086 and then the 486, then P3, P4 then big change to mac.. G4, G5, and now back to intel with a C2D ... hehe good times...

IIRC Pentium was P5. Pentuim Pro -> Pentium III (and Core) was P6. Pentium 4 was P68. Itanium is P7. So really Core 2 would be 986 and Nehalem would be 1086.
 
:D

Intel is saying end of '08 as to not disrupt sales of current computers.

Check on the internet - this has been moved up to better bash AMD (june)

This is the tock of the tick tock - tick is the hardest part - the tock will come quickly

how many times has apple label "early" as in mac pro early '08 as if to imply a june release? ;)

so june is the ticket i say...

I have to disagree just a little bit. Intel in an effort to not completely kill AMD has actually thought of purposely delaying their products. There's no rush from Intel, which is good, we don't need rushed products and processors.

I think this years WWDC is going to greatly highlight the iPhone SDK. I'm guessing a possible announcement of a 3G iPhone, possibly small upgrades for Mac Pro and MacBook Pro's (that I'm a little unsure of).
 
More frequent, less drastic updates can only mean one thing:

more frequent whining that the updates are not drastic enough!

:D ............ :mad:
 
The Skynet Chronicles

I think we all know what this means!!

More cores........ faster?.......

Skynet in 2011 RUN AWAYYYYYYY!!!!!!:eek::eek::confused::confused::D;);):eek::confused::)

I'm going to make a "waiting for skynet" thread. 24 cores, running at 10.4GHz each, all at room temperature!

Wow! I'll buy one! But then it'll make me build terminators........

That was GREAT!!! Someone else thinking the same things I was. :D

You are just killing me!!! HAHAHAHAH

Christopher

Come with me if you want to live....:cool:
 
Whee! Hopefully my 12" PBG4 will hold out long enough to see one of these in a MacBook Air. The PowerBook will be almost six years old in mid-2009, which seems like a decent retirement age, and SSDs might be at a reasonable price for the Air by then, too. Might be almost time to start thinking about replacing the Power Mac G5 by then, too, though that's a bit newer. Fortunately, I'm not in any great hurry. :) We might see another major OS update by then, too, if Apple keeps to their "12-18 months" schedule.

Someday (in my copious free time) I'll take an architecture class and find out what the heck you people are talking about with all this low level hardware stuff.
 
Wouldn't this design be similar to NUMA?

Depends on what the speed difference is. With NUMA, access to the memory connected to other CPUs is significantly slower, enough that you need to put code into the operating system and into your application code to make sure you stay on your own processor. This here should be fast enough that you can live without special code or without any changes to the OS.
 
Shh dont joke about Skynet! I live a mile from a one of the worlds most secretive and largest military underground bunkers, which had once investigated UFO's and alsorts of stuff, but anyway a section of it is called Skynet, and they are listening to every word you say.

I kid you not!

do a google for "skynet corsham" or/and "Rudloe Manor UFO"
Hmm... Interesting, very interesting.

Oh, and BTW: GoogleMaps: Rudloe, Corsham, Wiltshire, United Kingdom
 
There is a reason for this. Some years ago there was a court decision that said the you can not copyright or tradmark a part number like "68000". So after that Intel started with names rather then numbers. The first named CPU was "Pentium". If was the follow on to the 486. and would have been called "586". Hence the "Penti-" prefix.

Ah, I see. That makes a lot of sense. Still, they could've come up with copyrightable names that at least suggest the progression of their processor series. For instance, they could've gone the MS Word route and incorporated the release year into the name, such as calling it the "Penryn 2008." Or they could've gone with something more creative, such as unique but alphabetical CPU names, like calling it the "Ablaze" CPU, followed by the "Booster Rocket" CPU, then the "Cannon" CPU.

They could've named their CPUs in so many different ways that are copyrightable, easily marketed, and yet still make it clear to people which processors are newer and which are older. I would imagine that it's very much in their best interest to make it clear to the average consumer which chips are newer and which are older. When the average user heard that the core2 CPU was coming out, it was obvious to all consumers that this CPU is newer and better. But when then average consumer sees two computer ads in the newspaper and one has a xeon CPU and the other has a core2 CPU, most people wont know the difference.
 
As for Nelahem, I will believe the speed improvement when I see it. The processor nerds said the same thing about the Santa Rosa chipset and the improvement from the previous one was negligible.
Proof please. I remember a lot of talk over the new GMA X3100 and higher memory address space. There wasn't a really clamor over a faster processor.

Here come all the waiting for nehalem threads.
They've been here since January. ;)

So in the four Nehalem diagram, each memory block is at most one QPI removed from each processor. Cool. But I'm still wondering if OSX can manage it.
Hardware magic.

if pentium was the "586", then Core was "686", Core 2 = "786" and Nahalem the "886"?

just curious.. i still remember when i had my 8086 and then the 486, then P3, P4 then big change to mac.. G4, G5, and now back to intel with a C2D ... hehe good times...
Please don't use the #86 nomenclature. It's tiresomely out of date.
 
Personally, I'm looking forward to this. As the owner of an 800MHz G4-based iMac, it's inherently to my benefit if Intel continues to produce newer and faster components.

I'd also like to address a previous poster's up-thread comment about it being a bad thing that Intel now gets to dictate Apple's system iteration cycles.

It's about darn-frakin'-time someone started forcing Apple into updating their platform on a faster cycle. Short-term, it's a boon to customers because we have access to more up-to-date technology. Long-term, it's a boon to Apple because they won't be allowed to get away with establishing a reputation for themselves as always playing catch-up on the hardware front.

I'll give Apple all the props in the world for Mac OS X, but Apple needs to rev their product line's underpinnings a bit more. Otherwise, all they're effectively doing is sitting on their laurels and making their customers second-rate owners of computer hardware technology.

I'd been thinking quite a while about getting a 2.4GHz iMac, but now I'm seriously looking into building a PC capable of running Leopard, but nominally running Linux. I mean, it would actually be a benefit to me (over buying purely Apple-branded hardware) since I would have the best of both worlds. And frankly, have you folks seen Compiz Fusion?

As someone else also up-thread pointed out, Apple doesn't introduce a product and then incrementally reduce the price on it. A friend of mine and I were actually talking about this very thing a few weeks ago, and at that time (since I really don't pay any attention to PC computer vendors, their products or business practices) I didn't realize this was the case. But yes, lo and behold, this is how things are. But not in Steve Jobs land. Nope, you introduce a product and keep selling it at the same price, month after month, quarter after quarter, even though your volume-discount wholesale prices drop like a stone. Great strategy for Apple, but a really lousy one for us, their customers.

Now, I know writing this that a lot of you will be quick to point out that, while Apple has to underwrite actual significant R&D because of Mac OS X (and Server) as well as the iLife Suite, other vendors such as Dell, et al, don't, since they really have no comparable position on those areas to Apple, and therefore simply don't have the expenses. However, first off, most PC vendors choose to have very low profit margins to begin with, most fight for table scraps because, even though "the world runs on PCs", that's really a collective comment on the PC market. Secondly, Apple has, all of these R&D expenses notwithstanding, a fairly insane amount of ready, liquid cash laying about ($15+ bn at last count), so clearly these "other expenses" are not seriously eating away at Apple's profitability and therefore require Apple to artificially prop their product prices (and therefore their margins) up like they do.

Besides, I've come to prefer the benefits of having peer-reviewed code to the sort of code which is typical of commercial, private development efforts.

However, this thread really isn't about the argument between Apple and Linux, nor Commercial vs Open-Source, so I will stop here, lest one of the admins decide to slap my hand. :eek:
 
Eh I think even I won't be able to wait another year for these. Cheers to the next update...June? As long as the graphics is updated a purchase by myself is justified by myself...yeah...if that makes sense.
 
Will Nehalem have quad core laptop processers?

Sure will, they are code-named Clarksfield and due in Q2 2009 at this stage.

so nehalem comes before mobile quadcore penryns are available?

No, Nehalem Xeon processors are due in Q4 2008. The Core 2 Duo QX9300 quad core Penryn processor is due in Q3 2008. It runs at 2.53GHz on a 1066MHz bus and works with the Montevina chipset (PM45).

Where did you read that QuickPath is not for the laptops processors?

There is no FSB in the Clarksfield/Auburndale Nehalem-based laptop processors. With no northbridge or a second CPU to connect, there is nothing to connect via QuickPath! They have customised the processor for the better by not including something which is unneeded, saving power.

Clarksfield and Auburndale have built-in PCI Express links to connect to the SouthBridge - there is no need for QuickPath to connect a northbridge!
 
Yes. So what would replace the System Controller in the diagram on this page:

http://www.apple.com/macpro/technology/processor.html

In the case of the Xeons, a new one which primarily provides PCI links - the memory controller has moved to the CPU.

The new laptop processors have the PCI controller moved to the CPU as well, doing away with the need for QuickPath.

Ah, the System Controller (called Northbridge to PC folks) will still be there.

The 'Tylersburg' Northbridge will provide PCI Express and the special PCI Express links called DMI to the Southbridge. Each Xeon 'Gainestown' processor has 2 QuickPath links, one of which connects to the 'Tylersburg' Northbridge, the other to the other CPU.
 
There is no FSB in the Clarksfield/Auburndale Nehalem-based laptop processors. With no northbridge or a second CPU to connect, there is nothing to connect via QuickPath! They have customised the processor for the better by not including something which is unneeded, saving power.

Clarksfield and Auburndale have built-in PCI Express links to connect to the SouthBridge - there is no need for QuickPath to connect a northbridge!
I was wondering why the laptops didn't show a QPI but did show PCI Express interconnects.
 
those who refused the penryn update and are waiting for the nehalem macbook pros are in for a wayyy long wait

The Penryn+Montevina machines are coming before the Clarksfield/Auburndale ones.

Auburndale goes into the MacBook, with the successor to GMA X4500 integrated in the processor too.
 
Sure will, they are code-named Clarksfield and due in Q2 2009 at this stage.
Calpella is also due in the same timeframe. Though Apple hasn't previously used the Centrino platform in its laptops, with (not yet publicly confirmed) built-in support for hardware decode of high-def and standard-def video, DisplayPort, WiMax, and DDR3-1600 Calpella is a pretty compelling solution in my opinion. Who else is scheduled to deliver a system chip for Nehalem?
 
Intel sure do their best to keep these things confusing! In the old days, the chips in each CPU family started at a low number and when an improved chip came out the number went up or added a letter.

68000 cpu => 68010 => 68020

601 cpu => 603 => 604

G3 cpu => G4 => G5


Now with intel we have

clovertown (= core2?) => penryn? (core2duo?) => nehalem?

I'm sure that last progression of CPUs is completely incorrect, and that's my point. There is absolutely zero logical sense in how intel names their CPUs.

Those are codenames, not product-names... PPC has codenames as well:

Max ==> Nitro ==> Voyager ==> Apollo 7

And those were just the G4's Apple used.

When Nehalem is released, it will be called Core 3 or something.
 
Calpella is also due in the same timeframe. Though Apple hasn't previously used the Centrino platform in its laptops
Calpella is the platform name for using containing those two processors.

Apple uses the centrino platform minus intel's wireless controllers.
 
I don't think there's any chance Intel or Apple will do a NUMA machine. It's a little too niche for them. Call SGI if that's what you need.

I do believe that scheme where each CPU has it's own memory-banks is already a NUMA-machine....
 
I was wondering why the laptops didn't show a QPI but did show PCI Express interconnects.
From my understanding of the presentation information the notebook CPU's won't have an on die memory controller either. It will be on the processor package but not on die. I think they may be doing that due to the lack of the QPI.
Calpella is also due in the same timeframe. Though Apple hasn't previously used the Centrino platform in its laptops, with (not yet publicly confirmed) built-in support for hardware decode of high-def and standard-def video, DisplayPort, WiMax, and DDR3-1600 Calpella is a pretty compelling solution in my opinion. Who else is scheduled to deliver a system chip for Nehalem?
Nvidia, VIA, and Intel would be the likely providers of chipsets for the Nehalem CPU's. The sad thing is Intel will offer all those things but Apple isn't likely to actually use any of it (well other than the DDR3 support).
 
Nvidia, VIA, and Intel would be the likely providers of chipsets for the Nehalem CPU's. The sad thing is Intel will offer all those things but Apple isn't likely to actually use any of it (well other than the DDR3 support).
Why doesn't Apple like the WiFi and WiMax support in Intel's chipsets? Do they have poor signal reception or something? If the oft-rumored upcoming ACD refresh happens to include DisplayPort I'm sure they'll enable it in Calpella.

If Apple won't be using the IGP in Calpella for the Mini and Macbook what would they be using? I don't see them disabling the IGP and putting discrete graphics in these machines.
 
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