I doubt seriously it was just about Apple moving away from Intel. They also have AMD coming on strong, plus they've been generally lazy in their upgrade path. With all the things that AMD is doing, Intel is very yawn inducing.
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Intel Processor Market Share May Fall to New Low Next Year Due to Apple Silicon
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Yeah I used my student discount on a base M1 Air, and paid $180 to up RAM to 16GB. $1079 for a 16GB of RAM M1 powered device I felt was a steal, irregardless of what comes out. I know many are excited for the new MacBook Pros but I can't imagine a better deal for a computer than the base M1 MacBook Air.
Many who had experience of Acorn Archimedes were very well aware of the superiority of ARM at the time. It is not a new phenomenon.
Seems like the biggest threat to Intel is the tablet market. When we get to a point where tablets pretty much wipe out the laptop computer market, you wonder what's left for Intel?
My main single hope for an updated Air (or, possibly, a low end MacBook Pro), is a brighter screen. I'd love to be able to use one in the garden on a sunny morning.
My current machine (Surface) has a near-400 nit screen and is almost unusable.
And yet for some strange reason the savings will not be passed on to the consumer. Oh, wait, we're the product being sold.
Windows 11 is a smart idea as it will 'replace' the much maligned Windows 10. It doesn't matter that it's virtually the same thing. A new Windows release always causes a boost in PC sales.
Windows 11 will also scoop up those still refusing to shift away from Windows 7 as there will be a direct (and free) upgrade path.
I am not sure scalpers will come into it. Windows 11 will be available on budget junk all the way up to high end machines.
80% market share is nothing to sneeze at. Apple doesn’t have that in market share for the iPhone and they are doing well. Intels fear should be the rest of the PC industry going to ARM and Microsoft further optimizing Windows for it.
This is a good point, but, in the Apple ecosystem, so long as the iPad Pro is held back with iPadOS, people will continue to buy Macs. The iPad Pro has been powerful enough and in many cases more powerful than Intel based laptops for years now, but since the software is limiting for many users, Mac sales continue to increase.
Intel has become the biggest tech cautionary tale since Nokia, and their collapse has only just begun.
I'm really liking what I see so far, especially on the touch end. This fills in a gap that Apple has, having a viable full OS touchscreen device.
On the topic of Intel, good I'm glad to see they are getting a wake up call, although as others have said the volume of Mac sales probably doesn't affect them as much as AMD and other factors. I've put up with crappy Intel procs for too many years now, in particular the issues with battery life, sleep/hibernation, etc. I would kill to get a M1 chip on a surface pro.
As I said above, I didn't realize how bad efficiency was in Intel products until I got my M1 Air. As an example I've been on Zoom for 45 mins, with multiple safari tabs open, listen to music connected to my AirPods, and have only lost 5%. I'd have been down 10-15% at least on my Intel MacBook Pro.
I feel we are at a point with technology were we need a big shake like this. Consumers, industry really needs to get away from x86 and move on to more advanced functionalities that ARM brings and there is no reason AMD \ Intel cannot join this bandwagon. Apple did right on this!
Yes, Intel may have 80% today, but there's very little it can do to stop that from sliding down significantly over the coming years:
- They've already lost their most visible and profitable customer (Apple)
- They have absolutely nothing to compete in the biggest processor market (chips for phones, tablets and accessories)
- Their technological roadmap is a dead end compared to its competitors.
The only two things I am bullish about with regards to Intel are:
1. Their new foundry strategy to build other people's chip designs and license their own designs to others.
2. There are a lot of legacy devices that will keep up demand for Intel processors for quite a while.
From where I sit, it seems very likely that Intel are going to have a steady, irreversible slide into irrelevance.
Their only saving grace is the new foundry strategy, but that has nothing to do with Intel chips and everything to do with their production capabilities.
All actual rumors say, that Windows 11 will still not be based on Windows Core.
So it will just be a more or less fancy UI improvement.
And what i've seen about the UI...
No.
Just no!
Without a doubt, Windows 10 is the very best Windows out there and i kinda like to work with it. On our company, we absolutely rely on Windows an i wrote lots of small .Net Applications over the years. I'm absolutely fine with Windows in general.
But will Windows 11 be that big thing...?
Absolutely not!
If they had finished Windows Core for desktops, everything would be different. But as of now, i'm not about to go back after >10 years of Apple experience.
Well, yes and no. In terms of mindshare, that's true (it was quite a blow for Intel Atom on smartphones to essentially fail), but in terms of finances, that's only indirectly so. I think part of the failure there was also precisely that: very low margin, so very little incentive for a US company to dominate.
High-end CPUs like in workstations and servers provide way, way more margin (you can buy a $13,012 Xeon right now, if you really must), and the two problems Intel faces there are:
- CPU performance often isn't the bottleneck any more. Having many cores (so you can run many VMs at a time, or serve many requests at a time) is useful on a server. Having each core be fast is always nice, but with servers often not the priority. Other than that, you really just want a lot of RAM and a lot of storage (preferably in SSD form, but often mixed SAS hard disks + NVMe SSDs). So, things like Qualcomm Centriq are actually somewhat compelling. They're not fast, but they come with up to 48 cores. How does Intel compete with that?
- But even when you do want fast cores, ARM is starting to become a threat.
Every review I’ve seen says it is hideous. Six different styles of windows dating back 30 years, ugly start menu, weird centering of things, inconsistent user interface, etc. All over the internet are people explaining how to revert to make things less disgusting.
I wonder who thought Acorn was onto something way back when?
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1990-11-28-fi-4993-story.html
I have multiple VMs running Windows in order to use random pieces of software from various epochs which are still critical at some moment in time or another. Not really a big fan of the experience ... click Start menu, keep going, select some setting or option -- at least in Windoze 10 -- and... you're magically transported back in time to some panel that's still broadcasting straight outta XP and hasn't changed.
I like *nix, mach is pretty good, I can't say I love everything Apple is doing with itself, but it's still the least-worst option available to me.
Having said that, if you're into gaming, then Windoze is the superglue that allows you to play that game on whatever PC you happen to be using, because there is a 0% chance it runs on macOS, and Apple leaving to pursue AS is perhaps a smaller problem than AMD.
IDK, I don't hate Intel, but looking at my portfolio I really wish they'd done a lot better. Contrast long position from 2001 in INTC vs. AAPL and the disparity is ridiculous ... Apple has printed cash for its shareholders while Intel has spun in a slow circle, I mean it's not awful, but I own 1 share INTC for every 1K AAPL.
Anyway, under-caffeinated and rambling, so I guess the summary is- Intel! becuz, you need x86 to run games! Perhaps that'll change during the next decade, or maybe it won't. Sadly for Intel, you don't need Intel to run x86 and can go with AMD.
Yup. And Windows 11 doesn't fix that.
So windows are now rounded (for some reason). But Task Manager still has the look from Windows 8, not 10. And MMC still has the look from Windows 2000, with minor feature additions in XP and a new icon set from Vista (not 8, much less 10). You can see in that disk management panel that they haven't touched that graphical overview in at least 22 years (Windows 2000 betas).
Where have you seen reviews of Windows 11? What we have seen so far are first impressions of a leaked build.
I installed it on my Windows Laptop and besides a bit of nip and tuck here and there, it's still windows 10. It will take a lot more than Windows 11 to generate interest in Intel powered devices, especially now that Arm powered windows laptop have become perfectly viable alternatives.