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Whats with that obsession with lakes and announcement products 4 years in advance ?! WTF?

Lakes are their current codename theme for x86 releases. Before that, it was wells (e.g. Haswell), bridges (Ivy Bridge), and so on. There's also some that end in 'mont', 'peak', 'bay', …

It's like macOS codenames being cat-themed or now California-themed.

As for having a long roadmap… that's not really a bad thing, is it?
 
Intel better release Ice Lake in late 2018, and it better be damn good, if they want to avoid a major stock price tank.

Intel is now up against the wall due to AMD and TSMC, the latter doing 10nm at this moment and (purportedly) 7nm next year. Intel will be fumbling with clumsy 10nm offerings while others move on up. Intel might hit the wall next year and crumble behind aggressive competition... disappearing as companies switch to AMD in the next 3 years.

In fact, Intel should push hard to get out Icelake in September 2018, Tigerlake in April 2019, and a 7nm chipset in 2H 2019, and 7nm+ in early 2020. Without that, they'll just be doing high-end server chips and little else by 2022.
 
Intel better release Ice Lake in late 2018, and it better be damn good, if they want to avoid a major stock price tank.

Intel is now up against the wall due to AMD and TSMC, the latter doing 10nm at this moment and (purportedly) 7nm next year. Intel will be fumbling with clumsy 10nm offerings while others move on up. Intel might hit the wall next year and crumble behind aggressive competition... disappearing as companies switch to AMD in the next 3 years.

In fact, Intel should push hard to get out Icelake in September 2018, Tigerlake in April 2019, and a 7nm chipset in 2H 2019, and 7nm+ in early 2020. Without that, they'll just be doing high-end server chips and little else by 2022.

Those "nm" numbers have nothing to do with reality, they stopped being so at around 32nm and it became a lot more complex. Intels "10nm" is similar to TSMC "7nm" process and Intels 14nm is close to TSMC 10nm process.

https://www.semiwiki.com/forum/content/6713-14nm-16nm-10nm-7nm-what-we-know-now.html
 
Intel better release Ice Lake in late 2018, and it better be damn good, if they want to avoid a major stock price tank.

Intel is now up against the wall due to AMD and TSMC, the latter doing 10nm at this moment and (purportedly) 7nm next year. Intel will be fumbling with clumsy 10nm offerings while others move on up. Intel might hit the wall next year and crumble behind aggressive competition... disappearing as companies switch to AMD in the next 3 years.

In fact, Intel should push hard to get out Icelake in September 2018, Tigerlake in April 2019, and a 7nm chipset in 2H 2019, and 7nm+ in early 2020. Without that, they'll just be doing high-end server chips and little else by 2022.

Intel and TSMC barely compete in overlapping market segments, though.
 
I'd rather have a Ryzen chip in a Mac. Way better performance for less money. Of course, Apple would never drop the price of their computers LOL.

No no no ..... price will actually go up...... this is cook we are talking about.......
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Have fun waiting +2 years to see it in a Mac. I'll enjoy the additional productivity of a current machine now and then upgrade when they come along too.

You upgrade every generation ?
 
First time Intel have had real competition since the Athlon64. Does not surprise me, lets hope no dirty tricks and backhanders this time!
 
Yes. I have a Ryzen 7 1700 8-core workstation and it's a beast. It'd make an amazing Mac Pro.
I think Ryzen is inspiring Intel to get their head in the game.
 
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Mac mini still on the 4th gen Haswell
To be fair, the latest MacBook Pro is only 2 generations ahead.
  • Haswell, 4th generation, released on 2013 -----> Mac mini 2014
  • Skylake, 5th generation, released on 2015
  • Kaby Lake, 6th generation, released on 2016
That does not excuse Apple from not updating a product that used to receive annual update.
 
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To be fair, the latest MacBook Pro is only 2 generations ahead.
  • Haswell, 4th generation, released on 2013 -----> Mac mini 2014
  • Skylake, 5th generation, released on 2015
  • Kaby Lake, 6th generation, released on 2016
That does not excuse Apple from not updating a product that used to receive annual update.

You're off by one, because you forgot Broadwell, which was the 5th generation.
 
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