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Yeah, Ryzen is amazing but Vega is a mixed bag. The 56 seems like the gem. interesting to see how Apple deals with VEGA in the iMac Pro.

Exactly what I thought. Seems like a sweet spot in terms of price and performance.
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I would get the Vega that match s the 1070 card, but not AMDs one, maybe one made by EVGA. Hmm shame about the power draw, wonder how the chip will get on inside the iMac Pro in that case...... :eek:

Funny. I thought the same. I think the 64 draws something close to 350W alone. That's not a particularly efficient chip. I am loving the EVGA 1070 Hybrid. Awesome card, awesome company.
 
If true, that means we won't see a Cannon Lake-H, which in turn probably means the 15-inch MacBook Pro won't do 32 GB RAM until Ice Lake sometime next year.
That is what concerns me. We need 32 GB in MBPs much, much more than we need more CPU. My 2011 i7 MBP remains strong enough CPU-wise, but 16 GB RAM has become limiting. This slow chip/LPDDR4 evolution in MBPs is constraining folks like me. I would have bought a new MBP a year ago if I could get 32 GB RAM.
 
CoffeeLake is poised to be Intel's biggest leap since Haswell and for those who are holding onto a Boradwell or older chipset, it's going to be a huge upgrade.

However, if you have Skylake or newer, IceLake will be worth the wait. The advancements that will be possible by 10nm+ and 10nm++ are going to be amazing compared to what we have today.
 
Yes. The little extra expense (the difference between what I sell my old machine for and the price of a new one is usually just a couple hundred bucks) is well worth the added productivity and I can easily make up that money in a matter of a week or two.
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Not at all. Usually they're released a generation or two behind the current offerings. Sometimes they have the latest CPU but it's infrequent.

The current MBP for instance is I believe 2 generations behind.
Uh, no. The current MBP has a Kaby Lake (7th generation Core) processor, which is the latest generation currently available from Intel. People who like to freak out about Macs not having the latest processor usually don't understand that Intel usually releases the lower end CPUs in each generation first, while the higher end CPUs with better graphics come later (and these are the CPUs that Apple uses).
 
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So in other words -

Don't but coffee lake because that is already being scrapped for 10nm chip and dont bother with cannon lake because we have such little faith in those we won't even announce they exist. So Intel will immediately start pushing Ice lake which doesn't even exist but will be better than coffee lake and cannon lake chips.
 
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No details about Canon Lake and then details about its successor: Ice Lake?
That's confusing enough...I thought that Canon Lake is the one to support 32G of LPDDR4 RAM, now it seems that might not happen soon...so MacBook Pro 15 class of processors wont get it until Ice Lake?!
 
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I swear Intel is worse than Adobe - every time you go near a computer they are endlessly pushing out endless patches, updates and intermittent releases and half finished ideas but never is there a just a single conpleatly solid and stable product from these companies that just WORKS!
 
Stop chasing nanometers, give us more cores (to reasonable prices).

Ten years ago I bought my first quad core. Now it's 2017 and that is still what is offered to consumers. What if the number of cores would have doubled every two year. Then I would have had a 128 cores machine by now and software developers would have been forced to write programs for multiple processor to stand the competition.
That processor with 128 cores would be a square foot, if they didn't shrink the process in nm.
Multithreading and multiprocessing is very hard to code for, and that is the main reason why most applications are not multithreaded beyond a very basic level.
 
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For me, Intel has lost some of its appeal to the AMD Ryzen platform.. hmm might have to price a system up... especially now Vega cards are due out.

Vega 64 is a disappointment - on par with the 1080, but no match for the 1080-Ti, the Vega 56 is OK, which outperforms the 1070.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/11717/the-amd-radeon-rx-vega-64-and-56-review

( Though, AMD will squeeze more performance as the GPU drivers mature )

The most disappointing aspect of the Vega GPUs? Power consumption. Wow... utter pigs.

AMD have only managed to catch up with Nvidia 10 series range - which are already over 12 months old. All in all, at the moment, Vega is on the disappointing side.

Ryzen's on the other hand - great CPUs.
 
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AMD pistol whipped Intel with the Ryzen chip... those new CPUs are amazing.
I like AMD, and I like competition, but they didn't "pistol whip" Intel. Ryzen provides better multi-thead benchmarks. Intel provides better single-thread. Most programs today are still biased towards single-thread processes with certain notable exceptions in editing and scientific computing. Gaming is also still single-core biased (although this is quickly changing) based on benchmarks provided by big tech reviewers. The good thing about all this is that we have 2 players back in the race. AMD is price competitive and is going to force Intel to innovate and become more price competitive. The consumers were really the big losers over the past number of years while Intel sat on their laurels with no real competition.
 
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I've switched to Windows for my workstations.

Apple should consider opening Mac OS to custom built PCs just to keep their pro customers in their eco-system. I cannot afford to run a hackintosh like so many nor will I continue running inferior out-of-date hardware for a premium price. Open Mac OS, let me run it on a custom PC with PCIe slots and I'll keep buying new iPhones, Apple Watches and iPads.
 
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big names little improvements. I come from a generation where the new CPU meant at least %50 faster
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I've switched to Windows for my workstations.

Apple should consider opening Mac OS to custom built PCs just to keep their pro customers in their eco-system. I cannot afford to run a hackintosh like so many nor will I continue running inferior out-of-date hardware for a premium price. Open Mac OS, let me run it on a custom PC with PCIe slots and I'll keep buying new iPhones, Apple Watches and iPads.

There is very little reason for people to run MacOS today other than personal preference. If I use computers for work I will definitely be using a PC like you. I see no reason for you to look back.
 
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