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hoping some truth to this. Cause Intel's ridiculous, and non technical reasons for blocking external GPU's over thunderbolt sucked. was purely done cause they were trying to milk more money by forcing you to stick with their solutions.

even back when they introduced Thunderbolt on the MBA's in 2011, they were able to (through hacks) run an external GPU, and at least provide a mediocre level of gaming.

It was really a shady move by Intel. But it looks safe this time. There is an in depth article from anandtech about Thunderbolt 3, where Intel confirmed it.

Intel said:
Meanwhile gamers will be happy to hear that Intel is finally moving forward on external graphics via Thunderbolt, and after more than a few false starts, external GPUs now have the company’s blessing and support. While Thunderbolt has in theory always been able of supporting external graphics (it’s just a PCIe bus), the biggest hold-up has always been handling what to do about GPU hot-plugging and the so-called “surprise removal” scenario. Intel tells us that they have since solved that problem, and are now able to move forward with external graphics. The company is initially partnering with AMD on this endeavor – though nothing excludes NVIDIA in the long-run – with concepts being floated for both a full power external Thunderbolt card chassis, and a smaller “graphics dock” which contains a smaller, cooler (but still more powerful than an iGPU) mobile discrete GPU. From http://www.anandtech.com/show/9331/intel-announces-thunderbolt-3

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It was really a shady move by Intel. But it looks safe this time. There is in depth article from anandtech about Thunderbolt 3, where Intel confirmed it.

Nice, if this does turn out to be true, I might start re-thinking my desktop gaming situation.

I am all about convergence of technology, But due to gaming, I still have to have a Desktop computer AND a macbook air.

my dream is to have a MacBook Air (pro, indecisive), powering a high end enough GPU that I can sit down, dock and game, then pick up my computer and go **** on the couch, then take it to work.

Thunderbolt always seemed like the PERFECT solution to docking stations. more than enough low latency bandwith to handle virtually any external device you want, including GPU's. It's just taking 5+ bloody years for this to start to happen. And not because of any technical reason, But because INtel can't get their collective heads out of their corporate asses.
 
However, I see a lot of articles/posts about exchanging the GPU on iMacs, meaning they don't generally seem to be soldered to the motherboard.

No you don't, lol. iMacs haven't had upgradeable GPUs in.... well, actually I don't think they've ever had them.
 
You consider this based on a PC gaming user, while some mac users care more about, uh, the whole system. They take care less on detailed configuration, and if hardware system is reconfigurable.

Not true for many Mac Pro owners. I was (am) one of them.


In the future, some manufactures predict, motherboard will be tied with processors, which means replacing individual components becomes less possible. And on board device could eliminate possible issues between components and connectors. Sure this will reduce possible upgrade potential and let DIY becomes less interesting.

Actually, beyond Cannonlake, we really have no idea what's going to happen to CPUs, so that's just your opinion.
 
No you don't, lol. iMacs haven't had upgradeable GPUs in.... well, actually I don't think they've ever had them.

I believe some of the earlier iMac's on the thicker form factor had replacible laptop based GPU's

But yeah, That stopped in 2011? I think, when they cut the thickness down (in a move nobody understands to this day)
 
Now tell me, what percentage of iMac users upgraded the GPU at the time this was possible?

Don't know and don't care. The options in upgrades could not have been very good and if decent, I'm 100% sure they were, in typical Apple fashion; overpriced.

The only Macs that had any REAL upgrade path, sans the motherboard, were the Mac Pros, particularly from 2009-2012. Everything else has been an insult.
 
Not true for many Mac Pro owners. I was (am) one of them.

Actually, beyond Cannonlake, we really have no idea what's going to happen to CPUs, so that's just your opinion.
It would be hard to find out its source, but I do read comments saying deeper onboard device integration is a trend, especially for low end PC. You can think about this: those OEM PCs are assembled in a fixed configuration, and those users are often enterprise users. They will not change their configuration even after PC is no longer able to power on. For them, using exchangeable slots on board is Useless. If OEM can solder CPU, Memory and graphics card on board, massive spent on slots could be cut down and overall system stability improvement is possible.

For PC gamer, slot is valuable. But for some enterprise and home users, slot is useless. It is possible to see high end motherboard would still be able to see various slots while on mainstream and low end motherboard, slot would be a thing of the past.
 
Don't know and don't care. The options in upgrades could not have been very good and if decent, I'm 100% sure they were, in typical Apple fashion; overpriced.

The only Macs that had any REAL upgrade path, sans the motherboard, were the Mac Pros, particularly from 2009-2012. Everything else has been an insult.
Everything else has been a conscious decision to simplify things at the cost of loosing a single-digit percentage of users.
 
Everything else has been a conscious decision to simplify things at the cost of loosing a single-digit percentage of users.

Consumers will find out the hard way in a year or two. But Apple is very cunning; by that time people will have largely forgotten about upgrades and just 'put up' with it. It's insulting to consumers and the environment no matter how you spin it.
 
So is it worth waiting for this to be incorporated into 15in MBPs or to just buy one now? I need a new laptop for college and I plan to have it for the next 3-4 years.
 
The most worthwhile 15" update for performance will be the one when 14/16 nm dGPUs show up to the party. Those CPUs are all largely the same in performance.
 
It would be hard to find out its source, but I do read comments saying deeper onboard device integration is a trend, especially for low end PC. You can think about this: those OEM PCs are assembled in a fixed configuration, and those users are often enterprise users. They will not change their configuration even after PC is no longer able to power on. For them, using exchangeable slots on board is Useless. If OEM can solder CPU, Memory and graphics card on board, massive spent on slots could be cut down and overall system stability improvement is possible.

For PC gamer, slot is valuable. But for some enterprise and home users, slot is useless. It is possible to see high end motherboard would still be able to see various slots while on mainstream and low end motherboard, slot would be a thing of the past.

Doesn't apply in this case though. Because Intel is basically approaching the end of the line with their current processors. 2016 Intel is supposed to move to 10nm and 2017 they MIGHT move to 7nm, but beyond that, a radical change is going to be needed for CPUs, so what your saying is complete speculation.
 
Hopefully with 2 USB-C ports and a HD FaceTime camera.

As long as they don't get rid of the headphone jack. Bluetooth can't yet match the price, quality, and consistence of a wired connection. Plus, there are some areas where bluetooth is restricted or there is too much interference.
 
Y series (MacBook) 17% CPU 41% GPU and 1.4 hours extra.

doesn't seem like gen 2 of MacBook will completely obliterate first gen at all :D

Glad I jumped the gun as soon as these guys came out, loving mine and would hate to miss out on lost time.

The wireless capabilities should be pretty cool though
 
Y series (MacBook) 17% CPU 41% GPU and 1.4 hours extra.

doesn't seem like gen 2 of MacBook will completely obliterate first gen at all :D
Intels leaked information is a bit hard to interpret. Most places it says 1.4 hours more battery, while other places it says +30% more battery, which is quite a bit more of course.

But we also get Thunderbolt 3, which in my view, is way more awesome! 8)

That's it? Those are all the iMacs that ever had GPU upgrade options?
No, not upgrade options - Upgradeable GPU to be done by the owner himself. Heck, even the current model has upgrade options.
 
True, thunderbolt will be the "gotcha" sorta like from 2010 to 2011 MBA still being USB 2.0 (up until 2012) but that TB port expanded the life cycle of my 2011 machine (not to mention i5 bump from c2d)

Still, anything on the up and up, is just that: a good thing.

And with USB 3.0 protocol, my throughput needs are doing fine
 
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