Can be explained to someone who is open to an explanation. Not to someone who has already decided that it is completely illogical and that it is contrary to 'facts'.
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Can be explained to someone who is open to an explanation. Not to someone who has already decided that it is completely illogical and that it is contrary to 'facts'.
I think this machine will sell like an hot cake.
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well, the PC + Tablet combination allows you to have best of both worlds .... touch responsiveness and mouse precision. how do you know it is difficult? microsoft have been doing this for years since 2012 with desktop UI and modern UI. all they need is optimization.
Let's say, we just know it's a stupid idea, to have two things for the same purpose in one computer. It is too obvious to explain why.
If this is the 'end' of the Pro machine because they dropped the dGPU, then I really hope those PCI-e thunderbolt cases become more affordable soon.
...wait, then why would I want a Macbook Pro if I could plug that graphics card into an Air?
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Base price is 2,500$, holy bejeezes
...wait, then why would I want a Macbook Pro if I could plug that graphics card into an Air?
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Base price is 2,500$, holy bejeezes
You are too rude with what you're talking--because 3D is not for Gaming only--
the fact is that Apple wants to reach the same Discrete Gpu performances of the last year at the end of this year..so in the 2014..while the whole tech world will be 2 years forward..the only real reason to buy APPLE is because of their soft and OSX
thats why,with this behaviour,Microsoft + Hackintosh could have the chance to rise again,
this was the way Apple did with Rosetta..and BootCamp...if only Ballmer would be able to feel the moment..
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Do you think next haswell macbook pro will be less pricy?
..this won't happen and you won't have any Discrete in.
really
your point is to compare new technology with old technology..
If you use common sense you will compare (latest) iris PRO with (latest)nvidia GTX 780M
hey ipad beat 90s super computer ( then v are stupid buying MBP / MP instead v should be buying ipad )
http://www.tuaw.com/2011/05/09/ipad-2-would-have-bested-1990s-era-supercomputers/
No because the 780M will never be in any MBP. You compare it to what will likely be in what you're comparing against which is nVidia's mid range. It's not like Apple would be removing some graphics powerhouse it's just a 650
It certainly seems that way. My partner is studying abroad for 18 months so I stay with her sometimes for a week sometimes a few weeks.
Unfortunately I can't live there due to my business here which also requires me to travel a few times a year.
I'm not sure where you found the 30W TDP spec for the 650M. According to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GeForce_600_Series it is 45W. I'm not sure which is the correct number but, either way, Apple can put a much higher TDP (and thus much higher performance) CPU into the 15" MBP by eliminating the dGPU.
There will no doubt be some pricing adjustment and tweaks to the lineup, yes. I'm not talking about doing it with the current models.... but they only need a few tweaks...
But I think apple will have room to move there, due to production cost savings when they can streamline their lineup down to 3 models; maybe give a few more BTO options to compensate (e.g., option for retina or no retina on the 11 and 13".
But I think it is achievable. There's simply way too much overlap in the range at the moment, which is somewhat against the grain of what apple are about. If you have to ask "do i need an MBA or MBP" then apple's product lineup has failed pretty much.
It should be as simple as
- pick form factor
- pick price point
But yes, I think it would be achieved by MBP features (i.e., retina) coming down in price and becoming standard on the MBA, thus rendering the two different lines redundant, and the MBA/MBP 13" in particular essentially the same product.
This simply does not have to be the case.
To talk between the CPU and dGPU and vRAM, traffic has to go over an external bus.
If all of that can be integrated on a single die, so long as the resources are spent, the communications can be WAY faster.
The only issue so far is that intel and the rest haven't been willing to spend the resources on GPU on the processor. But the demand for actual CPU resources is just not there these days, its all about GPU.
If you think I'm talking crap, just look what happened to external math co proessors, external MMUs, external L2 and L3 CPU cache and external memory controllers. They're all on the CPU die now because it is faster.
Until recently, intel hasn't bothered to really try to build a proper GPU and haven't spent the die area and transistors on it (which is why their GPUs have been, to be blunt, crap).
Now they've decided to focus on it, AMD and Nvidia should be scared.
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seems like climbing on glass to skip real question?
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That seems the scenario..yet to see if its true,how powerful is 5300 compared to 7xx m by Nvidia and if a BTO Discrete Gpu is in or not.
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For 13 i'm in but please with Quad Core beside,
but i don't think so..
Air dual + low Iris models
13-dual + 5100
15-Quad + 5200 (pro "5300"..Bto)
for a 13 retina quad+5200 i could accept not to have a discrete,
but Apple doesn't get it and will lose lots of users like me.
Anandtech had a long writeup
My take,
5200 is very good for OpenCL; fps and textures are going to be lacking relative to the 650M, but not badly enough to be painful.
Total TDP of CPU and 5200 is an easy trade off for power efficiency versus slightly less graphics performance relative to 650m.
Pro's will be happy, gamers, not so much. I can see Apple removing discrete graphics in the next MBP.
I'm still of the mind that Apple will wait on MBP to implement 4K via TB2. That's how I would want it at this point in time.
My take,
5200 is very good for OpenCL; fps and textures are going to be lacking relative to the 650M, but not badly enough to be painful.
Total TDP of CPU and 5200 is an easy trade off for power efficiency versus slightly less graphics performance relative to 650m.
Pro's will be happy, gamers, not so much. I can see Apple removing discrete graphics in the next MBP.
I'm still of the mind that Apple will wait on MBP to implement 4K via TB2. That's how I would want it at this point in time.
I would be happy with a AMD Radeon HD 8970M, perhaps a "special" custom Apple edition.
I think the reason many Apple fans are disappointed with the prospect of getting integrated GPU only 15" rMBP's is because Apple aggressively positioned the product as a gaming platform. E.g. Showing off Diablo III at WWDC 2012, going on about Kepler architecture.
We're seeing more and more great games come to the Mac these days with Steam and the Mac App Store. It seemed like things were picking up for those of us who are gamers and fans of the Mac. After waiting over a year for the Haswell rMBP's, if they are less capable than the current ones for graphics performance, I for one am going to be very disappointed. I STILL can't see that happening though. Been glued to this thread and the more I read people's opinions the more I'm convinced that Apple will only release Iris in the 13" rMBP's and a low end 15". Either that or it will be an all Iris stock lineup and a dedicated GPU will be BTO. I am very doubtful that Apple will release Iris only 15" rMBP's when chips like the NVIDIA GeForce GTX 765M are an option.
Also...and please correct me if I'm wrong...last year Apple completely re-engineered the MBP internals to have those two fans and air intakes. If they ditched the dedicated GPU, wouldn't it have made that whole design pointless as they would only need one fan? Surely Apple built that design for the long term, not just one generation of devices.
We're seeing more and more great games come to the Mac these days with Steam and the Mac App Store. It seemed like things were picking up for those of us who are gamers and fans of the Mac. After waiting over a year for the Haswell rMBP's, if they are less capable than the current ones for graphics performance, I for one am going to be very disappointed. I STILL can't see that happening though. Been glued to this thread and the more I read people's opinions the more I'm convinced that Apple will only release Iris in the 13" rMBP's and a low end 15". Either that or it will be an all Iris stock lineup and a dedicated GPU will be BTO. I am very doubtful that Apple will release Iris only 15" rMBP's when chips like the NVIDIA GeForce GTX 765M are an option.
Also...and please correct me if I'm wrong...last year Apple completely re-engineered the MBP internals to have those two fans and air intakes. If they ditched the dedicated GPU, wouldn't it have made that whole design pointless as they would only need one fan? Surely Apple built that design for the long term, not just one generation of devices.
We still have no idea what apple have cooking with intel.
Intel have the capability to build a high end GPU. The fact that their current Iris is only 15-20% down on GT650M means that they could quite easily close the gap (and more) with a combination of 10% higher clock-rate, more cache memory and a few more execution units.
None of which is rocket science, or beyond their current capabilities. They could also simply do multi-socket which would have the additional benefit of doubling the CPU core count in the same thermal and power envelope as CPU + dGPU.
This news about ditching the dGPU is not necessarily bad for performance. If you've followed what intel have been working on with their MIC architecture for the past few years, you know they've got a lot of potent stuff in the pipeline looking for a product to put it in... e.g.: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_MIC
Double the socket count and you have 2x i7 including Iris, or 160-170% of the performance of GT650M and 2x the CPU performance of the existing models, in the same thermal/power envelope.
Of course this is all speculation; but the technology is available for them to quite easily do this...
How could anyone infer that from the article? So, no it does not mean that at this point. The article only refers to the MacBook Pro but that includes 13" and 15" models as well as various configurations and CTO within those models. Anyone stating otherwise is reading too much into the article.