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Intel Unveils 10th-Gen Processors Suitable for Next 16-Inch MacBook Pro With Wi-Fi 6 and Turbo Boost Speeds Above 5GHz

SuprUsrStan said:
What's probably the most interesting thing is the iGPU that's coming with the 10th gen CPUs on the 16" laptops. This is going to be the first update to the iGPU in a couple years. It should help greatly in video editing as the quikcsync performance should be lot better.
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I believe you're confusing it with 10nm CPUs (U) that have the newer Sunny Cove arch with the newer iGPU version. These 10th-gen H series is not any different from 9th-gen H series, same iGPU as usual, they're just clocked up.

dapa0s said:
So the same second as I order a brand new 16 inch from Apple? Oh well, guess I'll return it...
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You won't notice much of a difference and Apple won't be bumping it any time soon. Too little of a difference to justify it.


AxiomaticRubric said:
This is true, but Intel can’t change the Laws of Physics. They are starting to hit brick walls in terms of how much power they can pack into a laptop CPU.
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Except AMD just destroyed Intel's highest 45w/90w (9880/9900HK) CPUs with a 35w Ryzen 4900HS CPU with better multi-thread pref and identical or better single-thread pref.

Read or watch the reviews. Majority are basically saying AMD's mobile Zen 2 lineup the biggest generation leap in pref in a decade.


deconstruct60 said:
Except that their A-series only supports one and only one I/O port. Not even thunderbolt. No discrete GPU connection possible. If want to build a one port Macbook follow on ( iBook or iPadOSBook ) they have got something.

But if look at Intel PCH chip Apple really doesn't have much of anything comparable. Well they just buy an PCH like chip from ASMedia like AMD does. They could but .... no connection for that either on the A-series. Can they add all that stuff ? Yes . Do they have copious spare time and resources? .... hmm A12x -> A12Z and a warmed over iPad Pro early 2020. Maybe not.

The A14 is going to be extremely good at being primarily an iPhone SoC. The A14X will likewise going to be extremely good at being primary an iPad Pro SoC. Most of Apple's ARM powered offerings though are done with "hand me down" variants. A subset of Macs could work with "hand me down" variants too but would highly likely not be sufficient to actually cover the functionality of most of the Mac line up.
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Omission is not evidence that they don't have anything for a laptop CPU with more diverse use case. You're not going to see a full PCH on any public SoCs from Apple because there's no need to include it. Apple is paying and optimizing for every square meter of their CPUs. Every single SoC such as A, H, W, S, and T series are all custom-designed for their own uses. Apple didn't simply port A series to their watches or pods either.

You're comparing a 7w-optimized custom mobile CPU to a full 45w general purpose Intel CPU? Apple is not going to simply port A series to the laptop. They will have a custom design of their own to scale up to 25w/45w and they'll either license or buy anything they don't have time for. Kuo already suggested that Apple is getting USB4 stuff from ASMedia (https://www.macrumors.com/2020/03/26/kuo-several-arm-based-macs-2021/).

I don't see Apple beating Intel at this game but they don't need to. Apple is about to switch to 5nm, they just need a good enough SoC that is optimized specifically for macOS with Metal-tuned graphics, CoreML, etc. They can remove anything else that's in Intel CPU that they don't need and pack them in with more cores or something else.

As for 2020 iPads, it's not a new CPU. It's just a hardware stepping bump to enable the last disabled GPU core with 6gb of RAM by default. That's not evidence that Apple has ran out of ideas, they just don't need to because the CPUs are too fast for the ecosystem anyway. No one is crying out for more pref in the iPad Pros, it's the software that's the problem.
 
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high heaven said:
This is why Apple needs to ditch Intel as soon as possible
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Bingo!
It is also why they have no interest in going to AMD as that it’s just a variation of the same problem.

If they make a change here, it is to get away from being so reliant on other companies roadmaps
 
MikhailT said:
I believe you're confusing it with 10nm CPUs (U) that have the newer Sunny Cove arch with the newer iGPU version. These 10th-gen H series is not any different from 9th-gen H series, same iGPU as usual, they're just clocked up.



You won't notice much of a difference and Apple won't be bumping it any time soon. Too little of a difference to justify it.




Except AMD just destroyed Intel's highest 45w/90w (9880/9900HK) CPUs with a 35w Ryzen 4900HS CPU with better multi-thread pref and identical or better single-thread CPU.

Read or watch the reviews.




Omission is not evidence that they don't have anything for a laptop CPU with more diverse use case. You're not going to see a full PCH on any public SoCs from Apple because there's no need to include it. Apple is paying and optimizing for every square meter of their CPUs. Every single SoC such as A, H, W, S, and T series are all custom-designed for their own uses. Apple didn't simply port A series to their watches or pods either.

You're comparing a 7w-optimized custom mobile CPU to a full 45w general purpose Intel CPU? Apple is not going to simply port A series to the laptop. They will have a custom design of their own to scale up to 25w/45w and they'll either license or buy anything they don't have time for. Kuo already suggested that Apple is getting USB4 stuff from ASMedia (https://www.macrumors.com/2020/03/26/kuo-several-arm-based-macs-2021/).

I don't see Apple beating Intel at this game but they don't need to. Apple is about to switch to 5nm, they just need a good enough SoC that is optimized specifically for macOS with Metal-tuned graphics, CoreML, etc. They can remove anything else that's in Intel CPU that they don't need and pack them in with more cores or something else.
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Apple will move to AMD not ARM.
 
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MikhailT said:
Omission is not evidence that they don't have anything for a laptop CPU with more diverse use case. You're not going to see a full PCH on any public SoCs from Apple because there's no need to include it. Apple is paying and optimizing for every square meter of their CPUs. Every single SoC such as A, H, W, S, and T series are all custom-designed for their own uses. Apple didn't simply port A series to their watches or pods either.

You're comparing a 7w-optimized custom mobile CPU to a full 45w general purpose Intel CPU? Apple is not going to simply port A series to the laptop. They will have a custom design of their own to scale up to 25w/45w and they'll either license or buy anything they don't have time for. Kuo already suggested that Apple is getting USB4 stuff from ASMedia (https://www.macrumors.com/2020/03/26/kuo-several-arm-based-macs-2021/).

I don't see Apple beating Intel at this game but they don't need to. Apple is about to switch to 5nm, they just need a good enough SoC that is optimized specifically for macOS with Metal-tuned graphics, CoreML, etc. They can remove anything else that's in Intel CPU that they don't need and pack them in with more cores or something else.
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This is so good. It should honestly be required to read and comprehend this on the forum.
 
turbineseaplane said:
Bingo!
It is also why they have no interest in going to AMD as that it’s just a variation of the same problem.

If they make a change here, it is to get away from being so reliant on other companies roadmaps
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Wrong. AMD is cutting edge and energy efficient. From Zen 2 APU to Zen 2 CPU AMD has overtaken Intel. Apple is not moving Mac to ARM.
 
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mdriftmeyer said:
Wrong. AMD is cutting edge and energy efficient. From Zen 2 APU to Zen 2 CPU AMD has overtaken Intel. Apple is not moving Mac to ARM.
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Apple moving to ARM almost seems like a sure thing now. And why do people on the internet always praise AMD, is it because they are that much better, or are they just rooting for the underdog?
 
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Seems we might get 8 core 10nm (7nm TSMC equivalent) Tigerlake late 2020 - early 2021 which would be a great addition. This would have integrated Thunderbolt like Icelake, something AMD doesn’t have currently. Also remember, we’ve had Intel 10nm for nearly a year now on mobile.
 
Metrosey said:
Seems we might get 8 core 10nm (7nm TSMC equivalent) Tigerlake late 2020 - early 2021 which would be a great addition. Also remember, we’ve had Intel 10nm for nearly a year now on mobile.
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Im not sure if Intel is working on 10nm H series or not.
 
high heaven said:
The problem is there isn't any software or app using only the single core. We are living in the multicore world.

Intel is just advertising with false info.
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Most consumer programs and games still seem to use only one to four cores. I’ve seen apps that claim they use four cores but 99% of the processing is on one core. Even those that use two or four often get bottlenecks on a single core. Offering six or ten cores at lower speeds doesn’t help real world performance that much. Some professional grade software does perform better with more cores but that selection drops rapidly as cores increase.

And how is intel falsely advertising? If anything both AMD and Intel run their tests in optimal conditions and then scale expectations back to maximize yields.
 
MikhailT said:
I believe you're confusing it with 10nm CPUs (U) that have the newer Sunny Cove arch with the newer iGPU version. These 10th-gen H series is not any different from 9th-gen H series, same iGPU as usual, they're just clocked up.



You won't notice much of a difference and Apple won't be bumping it any time soon. Too little of a difference to justify it.




Except AMD just destroyed Intel's highest 45w/90w (9880/9900HK) CPUs with a 35w Ryzen 4900HS CPU with better multi-thread pref and identical or better single-thread pref.

Read or watch the reviews. Majority are basically saying AMD's mobile Zen 2 lineup the biggest generation leap in pref in a decade.




Omission is not evidence that they don't have anything for a laptop CPU with more diverse use case. You're not going to see a full PCH on any public SoCs from Apple because there's no need to include it. Apple is paying and optimizing for every square meter of their CPUs. Every single SoC such as A, H, W, S, and T series are all custom-designed for their own uses. Apple didn't simply port A series to their watches or pods either.

You're comparing a 7w-optimized custom mobile CPU to a full 45w general purpose Intel CPU? Apple is not going to simply port A series to the laptop. They will have a custom design of their own to scale up to 25w/45w and they'll either license or buy anything they don't have time for. Kuo already suggested that Apple is getting USB4 stuff from ASMedia (https://www.macrumors.com/2020/03/26/kuo-several-arm-based-macs-2021/).

I don't see Apple beating Intel at this game but they don't need to. Apple is about to switch to 5nm, they just need a good enough SoC that is optimized specifically for macOS with Metal-tuned graphics, CoreML, etc. They can remove anything else that's in Intel CPU that they don't need and pack them in with more cores or something else.

As for 2020 iPads, it's not a new CPU. It's just a hardware stepping bump to enable the last disabled GPU core with 6gb of RAM by default. That's not evidence that Apple has ran out of ideas, they just don't need to because the CPUs are too fast for the ecosystem anyway. No one is crying out for more pref in the iPad Pros, it's the software that's the problem.
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Biggest performance leap in a decade? You aren’t serious right? It only just beats Intel’s 8th generation H-Series from a year ago and even Intel still beats AMD on quite a few tests. If it’s only just beating a chip from one year ago which has been refreshes for three years now, that isn’t a massive performance leap, it’s simply a catch up.
 
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Metrosey said:
Biggest performance leap in a decade? You aren’t serious right? It only just beats Intel’s 8th generation H-Series from a year ago and even Intel still beats AMD on quite a few tests. If it’s only just beating a chip from one year ago which has been refreshes for three years now, that isn’t a massive performance leap, it’s simply a catch up.
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For AMD? Yes, it is. Key word: generational leap as in same CPU lineup; I'm talking about AMD from Zen 1 to Zen 2 CPU, it's the largest IPC jump in a very long time. Intel has been stuck at 1-5% IPC yearly. I didn't say the biggest performance jump as in general vs. Intel.

Watch Linus Tech Tip (
), Hardware Unboxed, they're all saying the same thing. They're seeing 50-300% improvements across the board from AMD's last lineup while having lower power levels vs. Intel H series. Remember, this is 35w CPU versus 45w or higher Intel CPU.

I can't wait to see AMD's upcoming Zen 3, which is a new arch coming out later this year and to mobility next year. It is already supposed to have 15% IPC, which is more than Intel already.
 
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Here's a simple benchmark (note benchmarks aren't everything, I know): Note AMD's last gen is 3750H. Now compare it to 4900HS, that's a monster generational leap in a year.
AMD never had a decent mobility lineup but now they're finally competitive. Let's hope they stay so, we need competition. Source: https://www.techspot.com/review/2003-amd-ryzen-4000/

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SuprUsrStan said:
What's probably the most interesting thing is the iGPU that's coming with the 10th gen CPUs on the 16" laptops. This is going to be the first update to the iGPU in a couple years. It should help greatly in video editing as the quikcsync performance should be lot better.
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First off the 10th Gen naming convention is a mess.

1). 10th Gen Comet Lake (14nm) uses pretty much the same GPU as 6th/7th/8th/9th gen, even the CPU cores are pretty much still the old Sky Lake based.

2). 10th Gen Ice Lake (10nm) which is used in the 13” MacBook is the one with newer iGPUs and newer gen CPU cores. Also Ice Lake SKUs max out at 4 cores.

If/when the 16” uses the 10th gen series it will be the Comet Lake CPU, based on the older Sky Lake architecture because Ice Lake models though using a newer and improved architecture only have 4 cores and are lower wattage models. Intel yields apparently aren’t good enough to make 8 Core Ice Lake CPUs on 10nm.
 
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