Ho-lee-crap. I knew that "launch" had been a fiasco, but I didn't realize it wound up being that bad. The great and mighty Intel, everybody!
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Intel Unveils Next-Generation 'Sunny Cove' Processors and Graphics Appropriate for 2019 Macs
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The broken record factory called and they want you back.
Fast is fast...almost any one of us here will take a faster computer on any given day. Intel’s inability to get 10nm into its volume CPUs is a problem for Apple, Dell, HP, Lenovo, et al.
The rest of your list has been debated ad nauseam and the few points that are still up in the air cannot be declared with 100% certainty until a product ships and you are proven right or wrong.
You really should automate your posts if you haven’t already, but I digress.
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I think the Core i3-8121U was more a proof of concept than anything else, but scored just enough volume that Intel decided they should at least offer them to a willing OEM and that would allow them to at least claim a PR victory for Cannon Lake. The interesting thing to note about this particular CPU is that it lacks any form of integrated GPU, which is unusual, to say the least, for a Core i3 SKU.
Its Geekbench numbers are not particularly noteworthy either - http://browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu/search?dir=desc&q=Core+i3-8121U&sort=multicore_score
Let us hope that Sunny Cove is not just blowing “sun” up our skirts. Fun times.
I’m running coffee lake with the cloudy bay upgrade on my 2018 MBP15. Keeps me alert and happy. Now wondering where I can get a Titan VI egpu to run in an Akitio Node Pro II for less than 1000$
And power my 8k display. When will Apple produce raw support for the Nikon Z8 under Atacama? Actually my wife will probably throttle me if I get anything having just got aforesaid MBP, though she likes cloudy bay herself. What I really need is Z6 Apple raw support.
And power my 8k display. When will Apple produce raw support for the Nikon Z8 under Atacama? Actually my wife will probably throttle me if I get anything having just got aforesaid MBP, though she likes cloudy bay herself. What I really need is Z6 Apple raw support.
History is important. The path to where Apple is today started with the 6502 & IntBasic. The future is defined by the past and sometimes, looking back can help illuminate the future.
I generally try to ignore your posts and a couple of other forum members. I am not exactly sure why I care to reply now that I take the time to think about it.
You make a good point, I am blocking/muting/silencing your posts now (well, right after I post this).
Apple's record profits and uptick in last quarter's sales would tell me that your statement "Your poor excuses for bad Apple design are just excuses that no one buys. Everyone can still see the lack of innovation and poor design." tell me that you, sir, are full of deep-fried mule fritters. Good day!
Source: https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2018/07/apple-reports-third-quarter-results/
Yeah, my problem is I need something soon. I only have a work MBP at the moment because I gave away my old 2012 MBP to my grandpa who needed to replace his 2008 MBP. I really want a desktop with a huge beautiful display and enough power to last me a long time.
The other thing to consider is Thunderbolt. How will they handle that if they move everything to ARM? I've been saying they're going to move to ARM for a long time and have been a big proponent of that, but they will probably need to come up with yet another high speed connector. Perhaps they could also use USB-C for the physical connector, but it might not be backwards compatible. A lot of professionals now rely on TB for high speed drive arrays, eGPUs, and docks. But it's not like Apple hasn't pulled the rug out from under us before.
Either way I'm going to wait until WWDC which is likely when they'll take the wraps off the new Mac Pro and see what that's about. If it's Intel then I bet Intel will be around in the higher end machines for at least a couple more years, and at least supported for a few more years after that.
I haven't really heard of the i9 firmware still being much of an issue, but yes, a die shrink will reduce heat. Of course, if Intel simultaneously increases the heat production by ramping up the clock or adding more chips on the package (they probably won't), that won't do much good.
They will?
I can see better graphics being useful, but there really aren't that many workloads that benefit from 8 cores.
Can't wait till AMD fan armada learns that physics works the same for all companies.
I mean, I'd love it if apple switched to AMD CPU's, but they're not going to be day & night difference to intel.
Also, i wish something else than geekbench came around and did a better benchmark - I'm 100% sure Garageband on iPad Pro can't handle nearly as many tracks as the 13" i5 MacBook Pro can - yet it bests it on the geekbench.
I mean, I'd love it if apple switched to AMD CPU's, but they're not going to be day & night difference to intel.
Also, i wish something else than geekbench came around and did a better benchmark - I'm 100% sure Garageband on iPad Pro can't handle nearly as many tracks as the 13" i5 MacBook Pro can - yet it bests it on the geekbench.
One weakness of Geekbench is that it doesn't really test sustained loads. That MacBook Pro probably has more thermal headroom.
Your post truly shows that you have your head in the sand...
As I said before revenues are up only because units are way more expensive. But the number of units sold are actually declining. Which actually goes against Apple services. since the less units sold the less revenue Apple will get from services. Why do you think Apple will NOT report anymore the unit numbers sold going forward? That in itself tells you everything.
iPad sales down.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/269915/global-apple-ipad-sales-since-q3-2010/
Mac sales down
https://www.macworld.co.uk/news/apple/apple-financial-results-3581769/#toc-3581769-3
I mean, the one area it would make a night and day difference would be cost. Which, considering this is Apple, would just be more profit to Apple, so I'm fine with sticking to Intel and getting those nice little single-core performance gains.
Still...
MacBook 12" which is passively cooled gets 30% multicore performance of the iPad Pro.
it just doesn't add up, if you scale that up, an apple branded SoC should outperform the i9 in an actively cooled chassis 3:1.
which makes me suspect that if A12X really performs that better than intel, they could charge the premium and beat all other laptop makers by performance- why wouldn't they do that.
The number of new units have to go down as the years go by - all Apple products are long-lasting and even without the increased price factor, people are holding on to their 4 year old devices.
A lot of kids used to get brand new iPhones - now they are given older phones.
Apple's base is increasing - direct correlation is seen in their services revenue increase. Units are not being returned to Apple for new ones, the old cellular business model; they still stay in service, while newer devices are adding to the Apple customer numbers.
So the revenue increase is not up just due to the ASP of the devices.
Not everything that Apple has done in the last 7 years is loved by everyone - that doesn't mean they are out.
As a publicly traded company, they should release the unit sales numbers - how they get away not doing it, I can't understand.
Sales are not as relevant as market share.
In 2008 i bought two macs: Mac Pro and MacBook Pro 15".
after 4 years in 2012 i replaced it with ONE macbook pro 15
after 6 years in 2018 i wanted to replace it with one Macbook Pro 15"
(less computers and longer upgrade periods - see?)
I also bought the iPad Mini3 and still have it - and have no inclination to buy a new one until a new mini comes out.
iPhone 6S has metal GFX support and everything i do runs fine on it, i have no inclination to buy that either.
Devices sold isn't everything, as devices get better there's less and less need to upgrade - apple was smart to start investing in services sooner rather than later.
Look at what AMD is doing with EPYC in the datacenter space. 2U servers that have power efficiency and boatloads of cores. They are winning supercomputer contracts as the performance and power usage/heat is great. EPYC is a beast.
Ryzen finally gives us very well performing multicores at a reasonable power and $$ cost. That makes multitasking effortless and, for workloads that can benefit (video encoding, VM, etc) it rocks. Right now I've got 2x Windows DCs, 3x Docker servers, 1x "network server" and 1 "dev" server running on my Ryzen box. It doesn't notice it. I can then surf, photo edit, etc all without slowdown. On an $1100 machine. The closest 6 core Mac Mini with 32GB is $1900, has 2 less cores, limited expansion.
It's about powering the next generation of work, being the visionary. Something Apple has been lacking since Tim took over. History is going to repeat itself just like the first time Steve left and Apple started fleecing it's loyal user base. It's started under Tim. Apple computers used to be just a little more than a Windows machine and you got so much more. Now they are crazy more expensive and you get less and need to buy more accessories to make them functional. I used to recommend Macs as the better option. Now I'd say get a Windows box of the mid to high end and you'll be as reliable and have a boatload of cash.
I don't think using AMD vs Intel at this point would change how people buy MacBooks. I'd argue majority of the user base has no clue what kind of CPU their MacBook has.
Why do you propose Apple didn't use the 2700X in the Mini?
I disagree. 2 years ago I was waiting for the new Macbook (2016) to come out to buy one for my son and possibly update mine. Once it came out, I ended up buying the previous model (2015) since 2016 was a complete disaster.
And I did not buy anything for myself. Reason, bad keyboard, no mag safe, overpriced, but worse of all, non-upgradable computers (not able to upgrade RAM or SSD).
Furthermore, your thinking is incorrect. If Apple would want to gain more market share, they would lower the prices on hardware and make the money on services. Making overpriced products, will most definitely not increase market share.
At this point in time, the revenue from services likely still pales in comparison to hardware profits, and this will probably be the case for a good long time. For example, Apple music likely isn't profitable (just look at Spotify); it exists to add more value to Apple hardware and maintain their close relationship / influence with music labels, plus it's probably better not to have to rely on a third party for such a critical piece of your infrastructure.
Second, I am willing to wager that Apple products tend to be on the more price-inelastic side of things. Apple has likely done the math, and is betting that any increase in prices will more than suffice in offsetting the accompanying decline in units sold. Not to mention that the iOS user base is actually growing, because more people are trading in their older iPhones to help fund the purchase of newer ones. These old iPhones remain in circulation and continue to be quite useable due to iOS 12 and the battery replacement offer.
I believe that despite their higher prices, Apple products will continue to offer great value to many a consumer, and there will still be enough people buying them.
Now that ProRes runs on Windows, just jump ship , the rest of us already have
I gave up waiting for a new macPro middle of 2017.And i ended up giving my 2012 15" to my girlfriend since it makes no sense to buy a new one. Market share is now twice as large but only one unit is sold.
My thinking is simply that at the state technology is in, unit sales do not directly correspond to market share of the ecosystem. Even if less new devices are sold (Because they're expensive) people might be buying old ones and thus expanding the apple ecosystem. I did not imply apple wanted to do anything, i simply said looking at unit sales is not enough.
When do you guys think the new chips and their variants will start releasing? I just bought a 2017 i7 MB 12" and is really debating if I will keep it or wait (been waiting for ages and do not want to wait anymore!). But if they update very soon, I will have immense buyers remorse for sure.
No reply saying "there will always be new things around the corner" hahaha.
No reply saying "there will always be new things around the corner" hahaha.