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They did it because like everything in the PC world, they are too lazy to get it right. They take the easy way out of everything and leave their customers with mediocrity.

Actually that couldn't be further from the truth.

However I can understand why maintaining that line of thinking fulfills your emotional needs to validate your choices. Nice work :)

Don't use your pseudo-psychology to make others feel inferior for their opinions. You think PCs are better than that? Come up with your own argument rather than insult others.
 
Don't use your pseudo-psychology to make others feel inferior for their opinions. You think PCs are better than that? Come up with your own argument rather than insult others.

Except he (OP) did not state an opinion, he stated a "fact". Second, while i quite enjoy using macs, i can't say i haven't used PCs i enjoyed just as much if not more. In general, you get what you pay for. People looking at a 399 PC comparing it with a 1599 mac are retarded.
 
Apple would probably sue them if they did something similar.

It (Thunderbolt) is Intel's standard, they can do what they like. They have rights to use the DisplayPort port spec, otherwise thunderbolt would never have happened.

In addition, Apple do NOT own the Display Port, its an industry standard just like USB, HDMI, etc.

Apple dont own the rights to thunderbolt in any way shape or form, they adopted a standard (again, just like USB, HDMI, etc) early to help Intel out in getting the initial roll out started.

As for the two ports it was NON OPTIONAL.

Thunderbolt cant carry power, at all. So a second port is needed to provide power to unpowered devices. The reason thunderbolt doesn't have power is quite simply because the pathetic 5v that USB offers wouldn't be enough, and you cant realistically offer high power through something like thunderbolt as it just becomes a huge problem with power restrictions from the mainboard. Read up about it before bitching that Intel are doing it wrong...they know a hell of a lot more about the industry than the entire MacRumors user base.
 
What a load of crock. First, i fail to see the direct benefit of a split solution. In fact, come to think of it, i can't see it at all.

You can take the Apple cable and use it with any laptop that has a Thunderbolt connector and nothing else. Or with any computer that has a Thunderbolt connector and nothing else. You can use it to supply power to any non-Thunderbolt MacBook. It is flexible.

Now look at the Intel connector. The Intel "solution" requires that two non-related connectors have to be both present, and both at exactly the right distance from each other.
 
It should be pointed out that iOS 5 also lets one sync wirelessly to their computer over the local network. Though at the moment you do have to initially have them connected over USB to activate the feature.

Can't get video off the device though...
 
Hint: standardization work generally work towards compatibility, not against it. Second: certainly, if there was a neat way of pulling power out of the cable without messing with the data, they wouldn't opt for a split solution. so yes, I'm quite sure that theres a technical reason behind it.

Or maybe the reason is that Apple has 'standardized' on the MagSafe for power and their implementation of their ThunderBolt port.

What actually gets me is that Apple hasn't extended the MagSafe concept to other connectors for the entire line. I'd like to see them come up with a MagSafe USB adapter and a MagSafe ThunderBolt adapter. MagSafe audio too.

Think of the docking possibilities if the whole left side of the MacBook Pro, for example, was MagSafed. Slip it in, pop it out. I know of a few people with PeeCee notebooks who have fractured their USB ports, and broken thumb drives, by having their notebook on their lap/bed/airplane/hotel. I myself have had issues with my MacBook Pro being almost pulled off a table by a marauding dog sharking the kitchen table when they trip over the cables and the power pops off and the ethernet, or USB, nearly drags it to the floor and certain heartache...

MagSafe is, IMO, an industry changing technology. Sticking things into notebooks is bad enough. Having them lock in just invites sadness and tears.

It's time for Apple to 'Think Different' and ditch the snap-in plugs! Free your notebook! Declare independence from old technology! Start a new market for companies to make adapters! I think it would work...
 
I don't get how 1 plug/cable is not more simple than 1 cable that splits into two.

I love my Air, but I'd kill for a good dock.
 
You can take the Apple cable and use it with any laptop that has a Thunderbolt connector and nothing else. Or with any computer that has a Thunderbolt connector and nothing else. You can use it to supply power to any non-Thunderbolt MacBook. It is flexible.

Now look at the Intel connector. The Intel "solution" requires that two non-related connectors have to be both present, and both at exactly the right distance from each other.

If those two connectors are placed according to spec then they're not unrelated but essentially one single connector.
Your reasoning is basically the same as saying "Now look at the Apple solution, not only does it require that your Mac has an MDP but it also require it to adhere to the Thunderbolt specs".

It will only be a benefit that devices that have their own power supply and only need the MDP-part only needs an MDP connector.

This is not really that much different from Apples split cable solution, just more elegant and less clumsy when it comes to the cable and, as the extra connector provides direct access the the ethernet controller, more capable.
 
You can take the Apple cable and use it with any laptop that has a Thunderbolt connector and nothing else. Or with any computer that has a Thunderbolt connector and nothing else. You can use it to supply power to any non-Thunderbolt MacBook. It is flexible.

Now look at the Intel connector. The Intel "solution" requires that two non-related connectors have to be both present, and both at exactly the right distance from each other.

No, i can use it with "any" laptop that just happens to have adopted Apples mini-displayport shaped connector for Thunderbolt. Chances are, once this becomes standard, that boils down to... no non-Apple computer. Oh, and yeah, not to mention, i guess we'll all need to buy Apple monitors / 27" iMacs too (or yet another useless adaptor).

If this becomes standard, pretty much all (non Apple) computers with thunderbolt will have the exact same connectors. As result, you end up with one cable that fits every laptop regardless of maker. If that isn't more flexible than what you are proposing i do not know what.

So yeah... as this is a standard proposal, your point is moot.

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Or maybe the reason is that Apple has 'standardized' on the MagSafe for power and their implementation of their ThunderBolt port.

What actually gets me is that Apple hasn't extended the MagSafe concept to other connectors for the entire line. I'd like to see them come up with a MagSafe USB adapter and a MagSafe ThunderBolt adapter. MagSafe audio too.

Think of the docking possibilities if the whole left side of the MacBook Pro, for example, was MagSafed. Slip it in, pop it out. I know of a few people with PeeCee notebooks who have fractured their USB ports, and broken thumb drives, by having their notebook on their lap/bed/airplane/hotel. I myself have had issues with my MacBook Pro being almost pulled off a table by a marauding dog sharking the kitchen table when they trip over the cables and the power pops off and the ethernet, or USB, nearly drags it to the floor and certain heartache...

MagSafe is, IMO, an industry changing technology. Sticking things into notebooks is bad enough. Having them lock in just invites sadness and tears.

It's time for Apple to 'Think Different' and ditch the snap-in plugs! Free your notebook! Declare independence from old technology! Start a new market for companies to make adapters! I think it would work...

Apparently, there is a patent pending for Magsafe power/thunderbolt. Anyway, i do agree that magnetic connectors are nice to have.
 
terrible ugly looking thing I like Apples solution much better. As for USB 3 who cares its just spec junky who seem to want it. What I want is less wires not more so one wire to rule them all is perfect. USB 3 will come when it comes have found no hurry for its use. I personally rather have everything thru some type of wifi and kill off all wires except of course the power one and even that one I can take out when I am not in the mood to have my setup look like a pig pen.
 
If those two connectors are placed according to spec then they're not unrelated but essentially one single connector.
Your reasoning is basically the same as saying "Now look at the Apple solution, not only does it require that your Mac has an MDP but it also require it to adhere to the Thunderbolt specs".

It will only be a benefit that devices that have their own power supply and only need the MDP-part only needs an MDP connector.

This is not really that much different from Apples split cable solution, just more elegant and less clumsy when it comes to the cable and, as the extra connector provides direct access the the ethernet controller, more capable.

And its not like there won't be pure TB-cables for that matter either --- given that it makes sense to have such a thing. Supply and demand sort of thing.
 
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A dock station would not be that hard to make there have been some company that have tried its just that there does not seem to be a demand for it. So its really limited and Apple seem to not care.

http://www.amazon.com/Docking-Stati...1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1322322144&sr=1-1

They use docking as a key feature of the cinema display. Obviously, they care.

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terrible ugly looking thing I like Apples solution much better. As for USB 3 who cares its just spec junky who seem to want it. What I want is less wires not more so one wire to rule them all is perfect. USB 3 will come when it comes have found no hurry for its use. I personally rather have everything thru some type of wifi and kill off all wires except of course the power one and even that one I can take out when I am not in the mood to have my setup look like a pig pen.

Jesus christ. Its a basic sketch showing proposed connectors setup for a proposed standard. I really don't think they spent much time thinking about how to make it aesthetically pleasing.

Also, what you seem to ignore is that USB is a) ubiquitous and b) back-wards compatible. For TB to overtake USB, it would have to do the same trick. While no one likes cables, no one really wants to throw away every single usb device they have come to own either (or be stuck using an adaptor for it 24/7).

Anyway, as this is just one wire, you should be happy.
 
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Apple didn't invent thunderbolt. Say that to yourself 10 times in the mirror so that the denial can go away. Intel designed it for computers that run off Intel chipsets. They debuted/beta tested on Macs. Thunderbolt was destined for Windows PCs before Apple even had it. Recall the name lightpeak? It's the same thing. It was simply rebranded as thunderbolt. There's an incredibly uneducated biased view that Apple is the only company that knows how to do anything right. I use Macs too. I've worked on Windows computers as well, and late XP to Vista was the time they really sucked. Today they're just as good.

I never said Apple invented Thunderbolt. I said everything in the PC world is done half@ssed. I still feel that way. I think Apple's single cable into a monitor which hosts all the ports you would want, like Ethernet, FireWire, USB, and display is much more elegant than any solution on the PC. Dock stations are a bulky disaster. You act like I've never owned a PC. I have several PCs and I hate docking stations with a passion. I happen to like Apple's solution much more. Just a single cable line, with a power and data connect. It's easy and clean.
 
I never said Apple invented Thunderbolt. I said everything in the PC world is done half@ssed. I still feel that way. I think Apple's single cable into a monitor which hosts all the ports you would want, like Ethernet, FireWire, USB, and display is much more elegant than any solution on the PC. Dock stations are a bulky disaster. You act like I've never owned a PC. I have several PCs and I hate docking stations with a passion. I happen to like Apple's solution much more. Just a single cable line, with a power and data connect. It's easy and clean.

Bulky, where?
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Big, bulky, complicated? Where?
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Second, with thunderbolt being pushed to market, you will certainly see others doing the same thing pop up here and there (just like you today see monitors with audio and usb-outputs for example). Problem is, once they do, you'll quit bitching about how sucky they are, and switch over to the "they just copy" routine.

You see, that is how the average Apple troll operates. Damned if they do, damned if they don't. That is the melody.
 
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NO!!!!

I do not want Intel to destroy thunderbolt like this using a proprietary docking solution! :(

I'd much rather have other ports on my computer for non TBolt devices.

I want to be able to sit down at my desk and plug in one TBolt cable and let all my devices that use it power on. There's no need for some crazy docking solution with an ugly connector.

Grr....
 
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2012 MacBook pro will have a separate unit that the computer will be docked to for descrete graphics. I promise.
 
What actually gets me is that Apple hasn't extended the MagSafe concept to other connectors for the entire line. I'd like to see them come up with a MagSafe USB adapter and a MagSafe ThunderBolt adapter. MagSafe audio too.

Yes, let's put a strong magnet around digital data transfer cables. What could possibly go wrong? :D
 
It will be nice to finally have a docking station for all peripherals through t-bolt. I wish it would include sata, and usb3 though. Also, that Belkin Express Dock design looks like complete junk.

Yeah.. having all the accessories would be awesome! Hopefully they will come out with them soon, but heck.. I've been waiting for a thunderbolt adaptor for my iPad for awhile.
 
This is one more reason why the Macs and Apple do what they do.

I wonder how many chinese case manufacturers will fall for this?
:D
Any BoBoAndroids makers using this?
 
I never said Apple invented Thunderbolt. I said everything in the PC world is done half@ssed. I still feel that way. I think Apple's single cable into a monitor which hosts all the ports you would want, like Ethernet, FireWire, USB, and display is much more elegant than any solution on the PC. Dock stations are a bulky disaster. You act like I've never owned a PC. I have several PCs and I hate docking stations with a passion. I happen to like Apple's solution much more. Just a single cable line, with a power and data connect. It's easy and clean.

I'm sorry that you "hate" docking stations. What is it about your personality that allows an inanimate object to instill a raw human emotion such as "hate" in you???? Personally, I (and most every professional I work with) use them. I'd love to have a MBP with a dock. DO you think PC manufactures should stop making them because you "hate" them? I can assure you, if Apple came out with a docking station tomorrow, you would be the 1st one to tell us how revolutionary, sexy, and delicious it was.

Everything in the PC world is NOT "done half@ssed". That is a silly statement - and along with your use of the word "elegant" tells me that your logic is being driven by the Gods of Mount Fanboy.
 
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