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Interest among iPhone users drops too thanks to csam.
Yuuuuup

I was one of the people who switched from Android to iPhone last year, and the main reason was due to (at least perceived) better privacy with Apple. While I still think Apple comes out ahead in privacy, things like on-device surveillance sure eroded their lead. Hoping this trend doesn't continue, because there's been a lot of bad news coming out of Apple lately.
 
Yuuuuup

I was one of the people who switched from Android to iPhone last year, and the main reason was due to (at least perceived) better privacy with Apple. While I still think Apple comes out ahead in privacy, things like on-device surveillance sure eroded their lead. Hoping this trend doesn't continue, because there's been a lot of bad news coming out of Apple lately.

A lot? Could you list five or six bad news item beyond what you referenced (csam)?
 
I won’t be upgrading anything this year. Sticking to my 12 mini and iOS 14. iCloud photos have been deleted and every picture from the phone as well.
I wonder if that action gets flagged somewhere as suspicious behavior.
 
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Deep Fact.
Or Deep thoughts.


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No need to, it's normal churn. And with the CSAM scanning, I know I'm moving (already have), as well as several others in this forum have said the same thing.
How is scanning all your photos on Google’s and Microsoft’s servers fundamentally different enough to switch?
 
And misinformation worked great! Google scan photos with human interaction, Apple created a complex system based on mathematical hashes with multi DB from different organisations, all to guarantee privacy... and users now have fear to use Apple and will instead use Google services with much less privacy and actual photo scan.
I dont care if it is a person, robot, or space alien. Its not being done for the users benefit and it is searching my stuff without a warrant.
 
Face ID on my iPhone 12 makes me miss Touch ID on my iPhone 8 so much … the only time Touch ID didn’t work was if my hand was wet. Face ID doesn’t work if I’m lying down, wearing sunglasses, wearing a mask, holding the phone upside down, using the phone flat on a table, the day is Wednesday, etc …
As for CSAM … I was under the impression everything in my phone was being scanned anyway. As children of the 90s we were told anything you do online is visible, and 90% of what’s in my phone is synced to the cloud (online) … I’m not thrilled about it but it was what i believed were the terms of using icloud services.
 
What does this even mean? Are you viewing other human beings as lesser because they don’t have an iPhone? So strange.
Personally to me it means if you’re happy with Android go for it! If you’re happy with Windows awesome. Just please don’t force Apple products to become those things for those of us that are happy with the Apple gear we have.
 
Using iPhone at the moment but after thirty years have lost interest in Apple products due this CSAM excuse, lying about privacy and other issues, lack of innovation and improvements that products are crying out for, Tim Cook's emphasis on subscription services over hardware, and his emphasis on the shareprice and investors over customers, its value pricing model, etc. Probably get another iPhone though, as there is effectively only two choices Google or Apple.
 
A lot? Could you list five or six bad news item beyond what you referenced (csam)?

Here's four articles, just from the last couple weeks, and just from one publication. I'm not wasting my time digging up more, considering nothing I post here is going to change your opinion:

 
I will likely swap to a Pixel 6. Have used iPhone for my main phone since they launched and slowly but surely they addressed all of my concerns (no app store, poor camera, setting alternate main apps, etc). They are amazing devices and while their iterative process is annoying slow, it's executed well and I'm generally fine with waiting.

Have had a number of Android devices as backup phones over the years and while some have been nice, and I've reviewed a ton publicly, none of them could sway me from Apple.

However... there are four factors (in order) that will likely have me switch this fall.

  1. No fingerprint sensor. This is old tech, well understood and already rolled out on other devices in their portfolio. While my Apple watch unlock usually works, it often doesn't, and it's annoying. Apple devices are still great at home but I'm masked 100% of the time outside the home and it's a constant annoyance for me.
  2. No call screening. When call screening came to my Google Pixel 4 backup phone it was a game changer. There are entire months I have forwarded all my calls on the Pixel instead of my iPhone simply for this feature. If you've never used it you don't understand, but for those of us that often receive dozens of unsolicited calls a day it has saved my bacon more than once. Being able to not just accept or deny calls, but rather see why people are calling and then making a choice is huge. Robocaller kind of offers this for iOS but it doesn't work well in practice. I pay for 4 separate spam filtering services on my iPhone and on the Pixel I don't need any.
  3. Moving CSAM from the cloud to on-device is a sleeper issue. Stick it in the cloud based service, sure, but putting that functionality on the device all but guarantees it's going to be exploited by third parties. On device Apple photo libraries were already slow and sluggish... trying to have a 100GB+ photo library on your phone or iPad is an exercise in futility, this just burdens that code down and will slow the devices even more. They need to be streamlining that code, not introducing vulnerabilities and bloat. It also indicates a sea shift... this is the vulnerability that was announced. It's a closed source OS, what other vulnerabilities have been or are will be introduced? When Apple was privacy focused I was inclined to trust them, but with this shift they've made it clear that this is no longer the case and because of various laws around the world it's unlikely any misuse will become public anytime soon, unless some security researcher gets very lucky. This could simply be the front facing shield to "explain" away all of the new on-device processing that's either going to be, or could be, happening in places like China. I'm sure security researchers will be all over this but it's not a question we would have even had to ask about 2020 Apple. Suffice to say that iOS now has very public on-device decryption backdoors in it. Either you care about that (if you're a journalist or someone who deals with proprietary data you should) or you don't. Either way it makes iOS a less secure platform than it was just a few months ago and if security is less of a selling point it needs to compete on features, where it comes up short.
  4. I can finally switch away from my Apple watch and it's terrible battery life. I use approximately 5% of the "smart" functions of my Apple watch and most days the only reason I wear it is so that I can unlock my phone while wearing a mask. I switched to an Oura ring for general tracking a couple of years ago and love it. I would consider getting a Fitbit now that it's a Google product if I make the switch because not having to charge my watch every single day would be blissful and it's occasionally useful for skipping songs while biking or checking my heart rate, in addition to knowing the time.
While I don't trust Android to be secure and I'm not likely to install a fraction of the apps I have on my iPhone on a Pixel if I do switch... at least I'll be able to unlock my phone, screen my calls and have a watch with usable battery life. I'll still keep my Macs and iPads, but at least I'll have a more enjoyable phone experience which I'll probably pair with the new iPad Mini 6 so I can still iMessage on the go. Also, as an aside, the Google Pixel Buds I have are SO much nicer than my Airpods or Airpods Pro in terms of my personal comfort. First headphones I can actually wear all day comfortably... more than I can say for Beats, Bose or any of the others I've used.

Hopefully Apple with pivot away from #3 and introduce features to address #1 and #2 one day... probably around 2024. Not sure they will ever address 4, they need a "fitness" version that is simplified and streamlined with the same sensors but less app bloat and interface. Either way, I just can't wait anymore, particularly for #1.
 
Because it's their servers and their responsibility. My phone is my phone, it has limited storage and power budget, and it's WAY too much like 1984 Big Brother...
A distinction without a difference, we own the physical phone but none of the operating system. storage and battery? That’s a reach.
 
''31.9 percent of Android users said that the ‌iPhone 13‌'s lack of a fingerprint scanner''
So Apple totally ignored potential deal-breaking feature just to keep costs down and shareholders happy...

I honestly don’t see how not having fingerprint sensor would make shareholders happy. At least I’m not, especially because the cost of the sensor is extremely low. Also Apples failure to live up their promises of fighting for users privacy is undermining their brand. Happy consumers make happy investors.

Why do so many people on here think all photos on an iPhone will be scanned? Only photos that are going to be stored on Apple's servers are scanned(either sent via iMessage or backed up to iCloud).

The actual detection happens on the phone, but the actual content being scanned is identical to other services. https://9to5mac.com/2021/08/09/apple-csam-detection-solution/

Putting the detection on the phone allows for end-to-end encryption(even if that isn't enabled currently)
You do understand they are effectively scanning every single photo you take or import if you have iCloud photos turned on? Also Apples partner, NCMEC is against of any use of e2e because, as you know, only pedophiles use e2e. Hey, it’s for the children… 🤣
 
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This is going to sound rather strange but I'm holding on to an iPhone SE (2016) for 1 more year to wait for that fingerprint sensor. I have changed the battery (actually 3 times now) and the device is still immaculate. It will still get iOS 15 although, for the first time, I may hold off a while and see if it's likely to run slowly. Almost embarrassed to admit my decision! My money went on an M1 Mac Mini and 4k ATV.
 
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A distinction without a difference, we own the physical phone but none of the operating system. storage and battery? That’s a reach.
To you maybe, but it's something I wont stand. The OS can't run here if I didn't own the phone it's running on.

The big brother part is the most objectionable. Storage and battery aren't a reach though, it's a valid concern for something that doesn't last as long as I'd like.
 
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A distinction without a difference, we own the physical phone but none of the operating system. storage and battery? That’s a reach.
Wow is this something we're supposed to be okay with? If so, why are we shelling out money for this device that we don't even end up owning? What would the meaning of ownership be then? Sounds like something Apple would need to subsidize then. Everyone should be aware that this is going on and the ramifications for the meaning of ownership, what they really are buying, and why they are shelling out money. If you're on the other side of human rights, digital rights, and civil rights organizations such as ACLU, I'd think twice on why that is.
 
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Degoogled Android exists, so there is another option. Just prepare to lose some convenience.
I am using my new degoogled phone, the only convenience I have lost is AirDrop, but I have gained so much. On balance I am sticking with degoogled Android. Depending on what you want to do on your phone, there is a short or long learning period.
 
And we want Android users because…??

Because those are the fundamentally the only users one get? As well as the iPhone users are the only users you can loose?

Anyway. Don’t really trust these kinds of tests for the most part. Talk after Christmas.

PS: Maybe there was a baby boom some years ago … but haven’t noticed it. Did ya?
 
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