I won't actively discourage people from buying Apple kit, but, as I did after moving from Android to Apple, I'll explain why I moved back. They can make up their own minds.
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I should have quoted the words "throw away". Obviously who would just toss their gear into a garbage dump.
There are a lot of influencers out there as well as Apple shareholders. My anecdotal experience is that my extended family (about 40) has migrated from android, with a few who haven't. I personally recommend gear that works for the person and not based on the label. iphones and macs are very popular in my circle. Your stock should be happy.
"People" is pretty generic. I have a feeling that group of people will be in the significant (screeching?
) minority.I can understand why you thought this based on how I communicated in that post, but I definitely wasn't trying to imply that my wife represented everybody.
That said, I do feel like she represents the general public more so than most active members of this forum, which was my main point.
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I could make the argument that you have more control over your data in the Google ecosystem. Yes, they eat it up and use it for reasons that I don't like, but they do give you a lot of very granular control over it as well (assuming you trust that control is actually doing anything).
Side point: I've tried to de-Google my life before, with moderate success, and it's difficult. Once you start diversifying technologically, it's actually harder to maintain control of and know what's being done with your data.
You would be amazed at what people will, literally, throw away.
I used to be one of them. Conversely, I may have influenced somebody away from Apple yesterday. Not by discouraging an Apple purchase, per se, but simply by not encouraging it.
OTOH: I think that, out of our entire circle of friends, I know of only two others that use Apple devices. Everybody else is using Android phones and so-on. During the entire time we've had mobile devices, many more people we knew had Android than Apple.
I don't track individual stocks. We have a guy for that. Last I looked, our retirement portfolio was happy
Though my wife, yesterday, mentioned Apple's stock had taken a hit?
As I noted in another post: I'm now doing the same research I did when we transitioned from Android to iOS and, yes: One of the things I've discovered is that, while an out-of-the-box Android device is a lot more invasive than an out-of-the-box iOS device (or used to be), Android gives the user a lot more control. So Apple's privacy advantage may already not have been what it once was. Add Apple throwing spyware onto users' devices and it could well be the worm has turned.
This is one reason I've several times stated that, even if Apple does a complete 180 on their spyware plans, I will likely go back to Android, anyway.
It's kind of like a certain fitness club to which I used to belong. At a certain point they raised their rates. Talking to one of the staff, subsequent to that, he allowed as how doing that had turned out to be a big mistake. It seems sending out the notification of the rate increase had reminded idle members' they were paying for gym memberships they weren't using. Cancellations flooded in. They lost more in income from idle members than they gained from the fee increase.
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This is what Apple may have accomplished in our case.
I've only just started looking into it, but, what I've read so far suggests they do?
Oh, that comment was a bit of a jab at the extreme anti-Google conspiracy theorists out there more than anything else.
Don't get me wrong, Google (and Apple, and all of them) have all been caught with their hands in the cookie jar in the past - with regard to saying they're doing one thing while doing another.
But personally when I read through all of Google's privacy controls, I take them at their word.... for two reasons.
#1 - Their entire business model relies on it. Maybe this is naive, but it's no more naive than the average Apple user fully entrusting Apple (especially now...).
#2 - If I go down that path mentally (the path that leads to Google [or whoever] lying to us about everything), then the whole world falls apart and nothing/nobody can be trusted. And I simply choose not to go down that path and to keep a more balanced perspective on things.
GrapheneOS: the private and secure mobile OS
GrapheneOS is a security and privacy focused mobile OS with Android app compatibility.
Wow, this is the most uninformed post I've read all week. Just because you happen to interact with people of shady ethics who use Android phones, doesn't even come close to meaning all or even MOST Android users are reflected in such a limited sample.
Flagship Samsung phone such as the S20 and S21 have been priced similarly to their Apple counterparts and still sold quite well. Because they are quality devices, regardless of what you think of Android and it's userbase (which is arguably larger and more diverse than Apple's userbase, especially world wide). I used Android for many years (until the iPhone 12 intrigued me to look at Apple again), and the only thing that applied to me in that list was the ability to customize the look and feel of my phone which, frankly, should be a thing on any user-centric platform. I also support an organization with a large number of Android users who fall into the same category as I do/did.
Does that mean my sampling of users is the definition for all Android users? Of course not. And neither does yours. Mostly what people want from Android is the freedom to use their devices as they see fit as much as possible. I believe a lot of iOS users want this or would appreciate it if they were able to. Android provides that freedom in a much more pronounced way than iOS/Apple, who has a habit of dictating what people can/can't do on hardware they purchased and own.
Its not like there is a choice, if you move from Apple CSAM the only option you have is the Google Android which is a lot worse. Add to that the iphones are already great functioning devices, I do not need a fourth or a 6th lens. Add to that that COVID situation so supposedly people are trying to save more money than spend I am guessing.
If you are one of the brave warriors of privacy, you can always get a Google Pixel and install Graphene on it but this will not be the choice of the masses. They even sell it now preconfigured: NitroPhone
If you are one of the brave warriors of privacy, you can always get a Google Pixel and install Graphene on it but this will not be the choice of the masses. They even sell it now preconfigured: NitroPhone
That's your opinion. For me you can't get any worse than on device scanning and I don't mind companies scanning their own hardware. And I did move to Android btw...
Android phones, at least the one's I would buy, are also great functioning devices, and they even have touchid for when we have to go masked. As for spending, you have a point, but I've probably spent more in the last year -- an Intel Mac Mini, and M1 MBA, a new Windows PC, a new Android phone.
You do know there's more android phones purchased out there than iPhones? Anyway, they don't do on device scanning to turn me into the government, so I don't even need to bother with Graphene or the like. I don't really mind scanning for advertising purposes.
All you people who are gonna move out of the ecosystem - why not just hold on to your IOS 14 phones and just never upgrade the OS? This is what I intend to do, my phone can now just stay on IOS 14 until I am forced off, at which point I will recheck the lie of the land. In a 2-3 years, hopefully Apple will have reconsidered this dreadful idea, or there will be even better rival purchase options. Apple have already said they will continue to provide security patches for both 14/15. No spyware no problem. Maybe IOS14 phones might even start to gain a bit of value on the used market over time?
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I'm hanging on to the phone awhile anyway to feed my Apple watch and act as a secondary phone for now.
Haven't you ever tried to do the same with an Apple device? Eventually, and in not to long a time, you'll start getting messages about your apps not being compatible with the next version of the OS, and not to long after that, those apps are updated and now require the next iOS version, so they don't run. Not a compelling experience!
That's precisely what we're going to do. Or at least that's the current plan. E.g.: If, for example, an Android phone or deal too good to pass up comes along, we'll move then.
Too late. Apple's raising the specter of this caused me to consider just how thoroughly we (I, really) allowed Apple to insinuate itself into our lives and consider what other things they might do in the name of some other social justice issue or crisis, or upon the demand of "my" government. Coupled with the fact it turns out Apple's security and privacy aren't really all Apple would like everybody to believe they are, we're exiting. It's merely a matter of how far, how fast.
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While everyone has their own views on this, I'm not playing CSAM whack-a-mole only to find out my new favorite android vendor is doing on-device scanning.
Even if Apple didn't think this would move the needle in terms of revenue and switchers, the optics are terrible. How on earth could there be any positive spin to this, at all?
I will if I have to. I absolutely will not have this on my devices or computers. That is non-negotiable.
This is one of my concerns as well. Though I do have some optimism that they're at least putting on the appearance that they're listening to feedback and reconsidering how to implement this. I don't believe Google, Samsung, etc. would do that, historically speaking anyway.
I’m not going to switch phones every three years. The Librem runs the mainline Linux kernel with no additional modules (drivers). Which means it is going to get security updates basically forever.
Yeah I could never keep a phone longer than 3 years anyway. I’ve managed to make it to 2 (barely).
Linux isn’t even good enough for me to run full time on my desktop so I already know I would be disappointed beyond belief running it on my phone on weak as heck hardware.
Yet record sales are predicted for the iphone 13. Huh...
Something is not gelling. I think there are very legitimate concerns shown here in the survey.
The lack of fingerprint is massive. People want to be able to open their phones with a mask on. The fact that Apple aren't apparently going to address this with the 13 is really slack.
Plus it's still got a notch...
As for no interest in the watch. I think once in the ecosystem the watch becomes more enticing. If it had the blood sugar etc biometrics added this year it would be more popular. But reports seem conflicted on that.
Something is not gelling. I think there are very legitimate concerns shown here in the survey.
The lack of fingerprint is massive. People want to be able to open their phones with a mask on. The fact that Apple aren't apparently going to address this with the 13 is really slack.
Plus it's still got a notch...
As for no interest in the watch. I think once in the ecosystem the watch becomes more enticing. If it had the blood sugar etc biometrics added this year it would be more popular. But reports seem conflicted on that.
The easiest answer is that the people surveyed aren’t representative of overall buyer sentiment, and they don’t care about the issues highlighted above.