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Beginning to really hate this company's decisions...
You must be fairly new to the game. Those of us who have used Apple for 40+ years are used to the inconsistencies, illogicalities, befuddlements, disappointments, and ultimately acquiescence in the cold light of day when considering the market place alternatives.
 
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No, they have the meta data on every file you currently have using their Services.

Better they have the meta data than see and read every file you have and every conversation you make

Whatever. Good Wifi 6E routers are still expensive anyways. I’m still sitting here waiting patiently for Apple to relaunch the Airport. No one asked for a HomePod. We want a router instead!

I never had Apple routers, what was special about them? My only guess they were just the usual antennas probably coming from Qualcomm like every other router.

6E is outdated as its being released because Wi-Fi 7 is going to replace it very soon. Wi-Fi 6E is the shortest lived variant so far from what I remember, its short lived tech because the 6E signals cant get past a puff of steam from your your kettle, its not needed on an iPhone, Wi-Fi 6 is fine with WPA3 AES (and thats been hacked so many times its embarrassing) unless you want a line sight iPhone, but hey look no interference, oh and no signal! Yes I have a 6E router and I cant wait for Wi-Fi 7 which should be along in 2024, and loads of draft routers coming this year probably that wont work with the final draft as usual.

Also the Wi-Fi alliance want it ratified much quicker than 6E was. Wi-Fi 6 using 5Ghz but at 80 MHz is fine for a phone or a tablet not 160 MHz which leaves just two channels open at 160 Mhz so oh how your neighbours love you if you stomp on them using 160 Mhz and yourself in the process as your network has collisions like its in orbit being hit with debris every few seconds like the James Webb telescope. Even iPhones at present cant use 160 Mhz, not sure about iPads with 6E but I can imagine with the caveats on those most stick to 5Ghz at 80 Mhz anyway. 6E is short lived sort distanced due to the spectrum in many countries they have enabled it on, so its great for VR in the same room as the router but beside that most new devices are happy using Wi-Fi 6 with MU-MIMO.

I don't get why people want their phones to operate as fast as a desktop when at least for for myself its the most horrible way to use the internet, give me an iPad any day and let phones be phones and you know do phone things with them, like dare I say call people!

Wifi7 is no where near release AFAIK and plus, Wifi7 won't be any better than 6E because the ideas is the faster the signal the shorter it will travel and the easier it will be blocked. So Wifi7 will be worse in that area than Wifi6 . This is why 5G doesn't reach as far as 4G and 4G reaches even less than 3G.

All cloud services scan files for CSAM.

If you know more than I do tell me, but there are those who actually do scan the files and those who do not. Furthermore, there are others that have encrypted storage meaning they can not see the files in the first place. Assuming they are not lying, ProtonDrive and Filen.IO are some of them.
 
Curious what one would be doing on an iPhone that needs the speed afforded by WIFI 6E over WIFI 6? I

Quite a difference when used as a content reader in News, newspaper websites, etc. - much less time spent loading. I get ~1200 Mbps with 6E from Comcast on my iPad, and they have just upgraded their local cabling to handle 3 Gbps.
 
Tim Cook is behind the “Pro” and “Ultra” sceme. If Steve Jobs was alive, I don’t think he would have allowed that. It honestly starts to sound redundant now.
Yeah. Steve was all about keeping the product line as concise as possible. For good reason too. Managing one software build. One sku per product line. Makes things very simple and straight forward. And then he was more focused on the experience people have when using a product.

Tim Cook comes from Compaq computers where he managed supply chain. Compaq was about multiple accessories and multiple attachments and very limited product runs. Their iPAQ PDAs were the epitome of PC in your hand. LOL.

Apple has not been as great a company as it was when Steve was around. And I don’t frankly care how much the stock may have risen. It shows in the inconsistent user interface on iOS. The misdirected approach to the iPAD and far too many “let’s try this” options which end up being retired very quickly.

iPhone mini, Touch Bar, USB C / Thunderbolt only… now hybrid. Multiple colors and flavors of MacBook, AIr, Pro, vanilla LOL. It’s just a freaking mess.
 
That's bizarre. Why would you want to be there?

If I need healthcare or medication I go to a doctor or pharmacy. Perhaps it's different on planet Ork?
People pay for healthcare. Even in countries with universal health care. Want more? Pay more. get more.

See this mentality all the time and it just creates an elite culture where one is neither necessary nor welcome.

I always get the best of what ever I buy. But I do t get a kick out of having features or functions that done work with anyone or anything else.

This firewalling of features is just silly.
 
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5G here is a huge improvement over 4G...when the signal is strong enough.

In my house my 12 Pro Max will get about 30-50Mb/s but as soon as i go out doors I will get anywhere between 400-500MB/s. My carrier is still rolling out 5G so it's not everywhere and at full strength yet.

4G at best is the worst case of 5G. 4G would be anywhere between 15-50Mb/s. There are still a lot of areas with only 4G coverage.

In a year or so I expect 5G to be easier to access wherever I am.

I do agree though that WiFi doesn't offer much for the average user. Most people will be fine on AC (5) routers. 6 and the upcoming 7 won't see any benefit for most people. Where they shine will be in large areas with huge crowds of peoples (gigs, football matches, city areas, etc).
Actually I can't agree with you on this🙂

I also use a 12 PM and my 4G is sometimes incredibly fast.
I get 200-250MB/s sometimes, and it's also inside. I know, it's not like 5G speed, but it's very fast for 4G.

I'm doing a job on Monday/Tuesday and in that particular spot I get incredible speeds over 4G.

I can't say anything about 5G because we don't have it in my town yet.

But I do agree that most of the time it's under 100MB/s🙂
 
I guess this is where they start to offer features to prop up the iPhone 15 Pro/Pro Max over the iPhone 15. Sad.

Really how hard would it be to use a newer WiFi chip on all the iPhone 15 models?

not hard at all. not even slightly. understand if you have a motherboard in your desktop pc from even relatively recent, the onboard wifi/bluetooth modules are likely swappable, and suuuuuuuuper cheap.
 
Its also such a tiny detail that it doesn't really matter. Wifi 6 or 6E, most users won't have fast enough internet to have it make sense.

people know so little.

a device with higher bandwidth capabilities are *not* strictly going to receive benefit if their WAN bandwidth is comparable; this is helpful for people across their LAN for things like file sharing between devices
 
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Quite a difference when used as a content reader in News, newspaper websites, etc. - much less time spent loading. I get ~1200 Mbps with 6E from Comcast on my iPad, and they have just upgraded their local cabling to handle 3 Gbps.
Not sure what you are comparing against to say with 6E there is "quite a difference" but I could almost guarantee that for most internet related activities (web, music, news, etc.), one would have a hard time seeing a difference, mostly because you have to think of the entire journey your packets have to make. You think Apple or web servers gives everyone a 1.2Gbps connection? YOU may have that throughput, but the actual speed from services servers would be much, much less as they only give each connection a certain amount of bandwidth.
 
Yup, all they need to do now is add a Home Button w/ TouchID, and I'll throw them all my money for a Pro.

I'm mostly kidding, of course, that ship has sadly sailed.

But, could you imagine how many of the Home Button haters on here would act like it was the best thing ever if Apple did make a Home Button w/ TouchID a Pro exclusive on the 16?

:)

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Correct. There are several Apple apologists out there who will defend any greedy thing Tim Cook does.
 
Me, I think they should add the tip-out legs, so your iPhad can also serve as a coffee table. :D

Apple never got it. They teased us momentarily with the mini. There are many of us that prefer a smaller form factor, but want all of the pro features. If only they were "Brave Enough" to make that phone even once. They'd get a true representation of exactly how much of their market wants that.

If we had a third ecosystem that had similar functionality, I don't doubt many of us would have left by now.

It just means we'll all just keep waiting until we get all of the features that we want in a form factor that's palatable.

As it is, I suspect my 13 mini may be it until it's unsupported....I'd update every year (again, where's the iPhone upgrade program for Canada????) if there was a form factor that slid into my front pocket.
And yet for those who like smaller phones, sadly Apple and everyone are going bigger yet again.
 
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Things that aren't a problem: my iPhone connected to my wifi 6 system but not getting enough speed in a way that would be solved by wifi 6E.

My friend's iPhone 13 gets 800mbps at my house while near my wifi hub. This stuff is already way past the point of fast enough.
 
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Pretty annoying to have Apple limit modern specs to only their pro phones when the cost difference is virtually negligible.

I don't really care about this on phones, but I'm curious to see if they hold back on wi-fi 6e for future macbook air models. (Current M2 air didn't get it which is a bit absurd.)
 
Come on Apple, you can do better than this... Wi-Fi 6E only for the iPhone 15 Pro models? Everyone very often uses Wi-Fi on their phone when at home, work, or at other times. Give us our fix for the need for speed with Wi-Fi 6E please!
If it requires a chip that needs more power consumption, I’m fine with a more efficient, last gen variety. For most, consumption of media is absolutely fine with Wifi 5. Battery sways me far more than those upper theoretical speeds.
 
Absolutely not true. I yearly upgrade not only for the camera, but especially for the modems. The signal quality improves substantially with each modem upgrade, especially with the 5G modems (the current iPhone 14 modem is the Qualcomm X65). The upcoming X70 modem, to appear next week in the Samsung S23 and in the iPhone 15 has even much better performance both with better signal reach and with lower power use.

Especially in NYC with the skyscrapers and subways and 2 level below ground parking garages, the better modem with the better transceive support amplifier chips makes a substantial year-to-year difference.
Hey, maybe that's worth it to you and it's your money to spend as you see fit, but to me $1400 (that's the current starting price for a Pro here in Canada) is absolutely not worth it for a marginal improvement in signal quality and slight improvement in camera image quality which is only noticeable in edge use cases. As it is my 13 does everything I need it to well so I don't think I will be upgrading for a while.
 
As it should.

Lower the price of the non-Pro.

Makes paying the $999 for the Pro more worth it.
That's interesting psychology. Since you'd be paying the same price for the Pro, making the Iphone cheaper makes you think that you're getting something special? Would this be playing to a person's desire to be elite?

Honestly, not updating the new Iphone with some of the non-camera tech improvements and limiting new UI features just makes me want neither. Widening the tech gap just makes me think that I don't have enough options.
 
Why is everyone throwing a fit for the flagship iPhone to be getting premium features over the normal one?
 
Why is everyone throwing a fit for the flagship iPhone to be getting premium features over the normal one?
Probably because last year's "normal" one was a rehash of the one from the year prior, and because Apple has put out signs that they will work to differentiate the models further. In my opinion, it leads to consumer confusion and paralysis.
 
Probably because last year's "normal" one was a rehash of the one from the year prior, and because Apple has put out signs that they will work to differentiate the models further. In my opinion, it leads to consumer confusion and paralysis.
That's fair to say that rehashing the same product from last year was confusing for the consumer, but this is different. It's adding a new feature to the flagship product, making it arguably easier for the consumer to decide on which one they want, by differentiating them further.
 
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I don't know why anyone cares so much about Wi-Fi 6E on iPhone. Yes, it's a plus, but whoop-tee-doo.

Really, most Wi-Fi AP's still use Wifi4, and I've only just upgraded to WiFi6 in my home, and that's only in some rooms as only recently has it begun more mainstream.

What's more, when using a phone, can you honestly tell me if you can tell any discernable difference between WiFi5 and WiFi6? I certainly couldn't when I upgraded to AP's in my home. (I have four Ubiquiti AP's across my home. Two AP-LC-LR's, and two AP-A6-Lite's).

The WiFi6 AP's connect at 1.2Gbps when in direct sight, and the WiFi5 AP's connect at about 890Mbps.

I cannot tell the difference between the two when it comes to day to day usage. I can't even tell the difference on my MBP M1. Or my iPad Pro. Even my wife asked if I had installed the new WiFi6 AP's as she didn't see a difference.

So, to cut a long story short, why does it irk so many people? I don't get it! :D
 
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Setup a personal hotspot for your latest 2023 MBP that supports WiFi6E while connected to 5G maybe?
Unless you are in a sparsely occupied area, and you are right next to a 5G AP, I tend to find 4G speeds are quicker, and have lower latency.

Back in the day when I got my iPhone 12 Pro, I would have agreed with your sentiment as I was achieving 1.2Gbps speeds, but these days, the signal is so poor, or it's oversaturated by users, 4G usually works better.
 
I don't know why anyone cares so much about Wi-Fi 6E on iPhone. Yes, it's a plus, but whoop-tee-doo.

Really, most Wi-Fi AP's still use Wifi4, and I've only just upgraded to WiFi6 in my home, and that's only in some rooms as only recently has it begun more mainstream.

What's more, when using a phone, can you honestly tell me if you can tell any discernable difference between WiFi5 and WiFi6? I certainly couldn't when I upgraded to AP's in my home. (I have four Ubiquiti AP's across my home. Two AP-LC-LR's, and two AP-A6-Lite's).

The WiFi6 AP's connect at 1.2Gbps when in direct sight, and the WiFi5 AP's connect at about 890Mbps.

I cannot tell the difference between the two when it comes to day to day usage. I can't even tell the difference on my MBP M1. Or my iPad Pro. Even my wife asked if I had installed the new WiFi6 AP's as she didn't see a difference.

So, to cut a long story short, why does it irk so many people? I don't get it! :D
I gotta agree with you. While I always buy the "Pro" models, I doubt I'll actually get any benefit from 6E because:
  • My only broadband option at home is asymetrical cable. 1000/35mbps.
  • My home network is Ubiquiti Wifi5 access points wired to my ****** internet connection via my house's ancient Cat 5E cabling. Most I've ever gotten via wifi on a phone right in front of an AP is 600mbps down.
  • When I travel, I'm relegated to connecting to ****** hotel wifi4, which either doesn't have enough backhaul or is throttled to under 25mbps....for $18/day.
  • Also when I travel, I'm on a plane sharing highly latent (700ms+ pings) ****** plane wifi where the entire plane is sharing like 25mbps down and like 6mbps up.
  • Most public wifi is highly throttled wifi 4/5 and sucks. Coupled with poor wifi access point layouts and configs.
Frankly when outside of my home, more often than not, I just skip the crap wifi and just use my Phone's 5G. My iPhone 12PM on T-Mo regularly gets gigabit (or just under) download speeds on 5GUC. Interestingly, my new iPad Pro M2 model seems to have a better model/antennas as it seems more likely to glom onto 5GUC vs regular low-band 5G. It often gets better cellular connectivity than my 12 Pro. On wifi, there is zero difference thus far for all the reasons I enumerated above.
 
Not sure what you are comparing against to say with 6E there is "quite a difference" but I could almost guarantee that for most internet related activities (web, music, news, etc.), one would have a hard time seeing a difference,

Don't currently have a way to measure application network performance on my iPad but on my desktop which is limited to 1 GbE speeds I can max out the connection when using the News app where I spend most of my time. Admittedly a small hard datapoint to support my assertion that it makes a lot of difference. Not sure how you can guarantee something which it sounds like you evidently have never tried or tested, but of course some websites don't support high speeds. The ones I use for content viewing do.
 
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people know so little.

a device with higher bandwidth capabilities are *not* strictly going to receive benefit if their WAN bandwidth is comparable; this is helpful for people across their LAN for things like file sharing between devices
And you know how to be an ass. Your first sentence is completely unnecessary to get your flawed point across.

I can assure you that most people won't know the difference between connections when you're over 1 Gbit speeds. As everyone would need their devices to support 6E to get the increased speeds, or have a 10 Gbit ethernet connection...I don't see the point.
 
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