International 4G iPad Models Will Work on AT&T, Not on LTE in Home Countries

[Mapmonkey]

Bit of a bad move.

Well here in Korea , regardless of whether the actual LTE coverage exists, LTE is the next big thing. The iPads lack of support for local LTE is not going to go down very well, and Apple have just given Samsung a marketing gift on a plate.

As an ex-cellular telecom engineer I realize the technical limitations Apple have to deal with, but to the tech hungry folk on the streets here it don't mean squat.

Let's hope the bright ones realize its still a better product than the tab series and the new display saves the day.

Just my thoughts.

 

[sapporobaby]

A real GPS shows your location with under 1 meter accuracy and shows your speed at 1km/h accuracy.

Assisted GPS is for cheap crappy GPS chipsets which cannot get the signals straight from the satellites.

Do you think that airplanes and ships use also, these cell tower assisted GPS things?

No, they dont. Because they have decent GPS chips on their navigation devices, just like any TomTom GPS navigation solution to your cars. Cars dont use cell tover assisted GPS either. Only crappy mobile GPS chips have to use that stuff.

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And for a reminder there is no stinking data or tethering limits here in Europe either. Some operators use them, but there is plenty of operators who wont limit your 3G/4G data at all.

I can download 5 terabytes of data with my mobile, with no extra charge. That it how it should be and that is how it will be here.

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iPad 4G LTE connections wont work in Europe.

http://www.cultofmac.com/150802/ipa...d-verizon-but-only-3g-internationally-report/

Dude for the most part you are straight up lying. I live in Helsinki and there is no operator that will let you download 5 terabytes, so stop with the FUD... Another lie. No civilian GPS receiver will give you less than one meter accuracy as for the most part it is not allowed and civilian GPS devices are easily spoofed. As for crappy GPS, again your are making stuff up. A-GPS is simply that: Assisted GPS. It allows handheld devices to obtain faster position fixes by triangulating your position along with the satellites currently in your look angle. In short your one post contained three pieces of crap that you tried to pass off as a fact.

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Back in 2005 I had Nokia 9300 communicator and separate Bluetooth GPS receiver. It was 100% accurate with 16 satellite connections and the battery on that tiny thing lasted about 20hrs

The Navicon GPS software worked flawlessy with Nokia 9300's 150mhz ARM cpu.

And that was 7 years ago.... pfff

Irrelevant post... You are way behind so give it up....

 

[garybUK]

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Guys, Europe is a land where you are LUCKY to get 3G service. As someone who's traveled a lot, I can tell you that despite the myths and rumors, mobile phone service in the US blows Europe out of the water. However, our prices are much higher in the US. And "Europe" is a continent, not a country. And the US is large enough it needs to be looked at state-by-state. Mobile service in Ireland, for example, is generally fantastic. In the UK and Germany - it's atrocious.

Same in the US. Some states are great. Others (Kansas... we're looking at you) are awful.

Really? Care to provide evidence to your ridiculous claims?? Considering I drive from Mancheter gb to Heidelberg de every two weeks I get a very consistent 3G signal, when I was in nj and tn 3G was very patchy

 

[sapporobaby]

The attached map shows the Adoption of LTE as of 5 January 2012

Your map is incorrect. I live in Finland and Finland is not blanketed with LTE...It's not even rolled out to most cities yet... Get a better map.

 

[garybUK]

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Galaxy tab 8.9 supports LTE I don't need a clue you need to get educated

 

[sapporobaby]

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Really? Care to provide evidence to your ridiculous claims?? Considering I drive from Mancheter gb to Heidelberg de every two weeks I get a very consistent 3G signal, when I was in nj and tn 3G was very patchy

You mean, you ferry over or take a plane over and then drive right? Anyway, I live in Finland and am frequently in Germany. I never have a problem with 3G signals. I think the OP is way off base and maybe hasn't been in Europe for quite some time.

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Galaxy tab 8.9 supports LTE I don't need a clue you need to get educated

Frequencies please....

 

[MattInOz]

The energy efficient Qualcomm chips which support all LTE bands are available later this year (Q4). No hardware == no support.

Btw, where is Apple here?
“Qualcomm’s Gobi platform has proven to be a compelling wireless solution for embedded mobile broadband connectivity, adding to the performance, security and reliability of our ThinkPad laptops,” said Dilip Bhatia, vice president and general manager, ThinkPad, Lenovo. “We look forward to giving our customers an even faster mobile Internet experience with Gobi 4G LTE technology.”
from
http://www.qualcomm.eu/news/release...ation-embedded-data-connectivity-reference-pl

So the new iPhone is it going to be LTE that doesn't work in apples most valuable markets either?

 

[sapporobaby]

How exactly is it "redundant"? It will still work on your fast 3G networks. Next year is a year away. By then, when LTE is available, there is likely to be a version that supports international LTE frequencies. Everyone else will still have access to the 3G networks. It isn't as if the carriers are suddenly going to shut off your 3G networks next year.

Apple didn't have to put any LTE support at all and they would have sold boatloads based on the screen alone (and they have cornered the supply chain for a few months on that front). Witness the sales of the iPhone 4S.

Remember, the vast majority of iPad 2 models sold were the Wi-Fi only version. Most people have broadband at home and data plans on their mobile phones. The iPads with cellular radios appeal to people who can afford a third data plan. They are also the same people more likely to upgrade more frequently.

I'm guessing the vast majority of the public (in Europe and North America) doesn't know or care much about the underlying technologies of mobile phone networks. However, they can be truthfully told that this version has fast wireless access, likely as fast or faster than the phones that they already have.

No, this isn't the answer those on the cutting edge of technology like to hear, but it makes perfect commercial sense. Apple in general doesn't live on the cutting edge. They produce refined products usually based on technology a step or two back from the edge (with notable exceptions, such as displays).

Best post ever.... I guess HSPA+ is chopped liver to the "suddenly I need LTE" crowd. Most in the US will not get to use the DC-HSPA+ technology in the new iPad, but have LTE instead. To those who can't handle it, go buy an Android tablet and wait for your upgrades...

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Galaxy tab 8.9 supports LTE I don't need a clue you need to get educated

Do you mean this: http://www.techradar.com/reviews/pc-mac/tablets/samsung-galaxy-tab-8-9-1037035/specification Samsung Galaxy tablet? The one where it half way down says: EDGE, GPRS for cellular technology? This one? Your clue is getting cold... Better hurry up.

 

[xinu]

Dude for the most part you are straight up lying. I live in Helsinki and there is no operator that will let you download 5 terabytes, so stop with the FUD...

I am not lying. What operator do you have? Sonera, DNA? You got locked iPhone with some crappy Sonera-limited-3G plan? oh my...

My internet usage now in wintertime is around 30-50 gigs per month with 3G but perhaps I will try how much can I actually download with these Pre-Paid 3G modems they sell at R-Kioski.... I'll bet that I can go up to 500 gigabytes with 24/7 downloading. I will test this before summer! Contiunous download from youtube, using Minitube software for a 30 days straight. Lol i Will do that!

http://saunalahti.fi/internet/tuplalaajakaista.php

You can use Google Translator and as you can see, there is no limits! Double contract, Cable + 3G !!

In that offer, you get 10/2 Cable modem + 3G as one deal, 28,90e/month an thats a 24 month contract. No data limits. Try to get it on your head ok?

http://saunalahti.fi/prepaid/mobiililaajakaista.php Prepaid 3G modem 28,90 euros per month without data limits. SIM card can be used in any 3G device available, not locked to the prepaid 3G modem that comes with the start-package.

Actually it is not 28,90 euros per month because you get -50% discount every month automatically when you pay online.

I dont know are you Finnish or just living in Helsinki but if you really are Finnish person and dont't KNOW that we have unlimited 3G data plans... then.... well..... I cannot help no more.

 

[sapporobaby]

I am not lying. What operator do you have? Sonera, DNA? You got locked iPhone with some crappy Sonera-limited-3G plan? oh my...

My internet usage now in wintertime is around 30-50 gigs per month with 3G but perhaps I will try how much can I actually download with these Pre-Paid 3G modems they sell at R-Kioski.... I'll bet that I can go up to 500 gigabytes with 24/7 downloading. I will test this before summer! Contiunous download from youtube, using Minitube software for a 30 days straight. Lol i Will do that!

http://saunalahti.fi/internet/tuplalaajakaista.php

You can use Google Translator and as you can see, there is no limits! Double contract, Cable + 3G !!

In that offer, you get 10/2 Cable modem + 3G as one deal, 28,90e/month an thats a 24 month contract. No data limits. Try to get it on your head ok?

http://saunalahti.fi/prepaid/mobiililaajakaista.php Prepaid 3G modem 28,90 euros per month without data limits. SIM card can be used in any 3G device available, not locked to the prepaid 3G modem that comes with the start-package.

Actually it is not 28,90 euros per month because you get -50% discount every month automatically when you pay online.

I dont know are you Finnish or just living in Helsinki but if you really are Finnish person and dont't KNOW that we have unlimited 3G data plans... then.... well..... I cannot help no more.

I'll answer backwards if you do not mind.

I am an American living here in Finland, think Tikkakoska, and Jyväskulä. Sonera and all of the operators had "unlimited" but the title unlimited was a misnomer. They reserved the right to throttle you back if you were abusing the service. For you to operate what is effectively viewed as a server by constantly downloading amounts to an abuse of the ToS. Sonera used to offer unlimited but they too would lower your speed if you do what you are planning to do. It is in their ToS (the old one anyway).

I have many friends in DNA, Elisa (Saunalahti), and Sonera, and they all say the same. If you go over 3 gigs of data, they will look at your usage and if they see you abusing it, they will limit it. Pretty simple. The average user uses no more than 2.5 gigs of data a month. This is why they dropped the unlimited data plans.

 

[meatballs]

Do you mean this: http://www.techradar.com/reviews/pc-mac/tablets/samsung-galaxy-tab-8-9-1037035/specification Samsung Galaxy tablet? The one where it half way down says: EDGE, GPRS for cellular technology? This one? Your clue is getting cold... Better hurry up.

Nope, this one Samsung Galaxy Tab 8.9 LTE http://www.phonearena.com/reviews/Samsung-Galaxy-Tab-8.9-LTE-Review_id2925

It supports LTE 700 MHz Class 17 / 1700 / 2100 - for AT&T and LTE 800 / 1800 / 2600 (http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_tab_8_9_lte-4125.php). As by magic Samsung accomplished something Apple couldn't (or wouldn't).

 

[xinu]

I'll answer backwards if you do not mind.

I am an American living here in Finland, think Tikkakoska, and Jyväskulä. Sonera and all of the operators had "unlimited" but the title unlimited was a misnomer. They reserved the right to throttle you back if you were abusing the service. For you to operate what is effectively viewed as a server by constantly downloading amounts to an abuse of the ToS. Sonera used to offer unlimited but they too would lower your speed if you do what you are planning to do. It is in their ToS (the old one anyway).

I have many friends in DNA, Elisa (Saunalahti), and Sonera, and they all say the same. If you go over 3 gigs of data, they will look at your usage and if they see you abusing it, they will limit it. Pretty simple. The average user uses no more than 2.5 gigs of data a month. This is why they dropped the unlimited data plans.

Well I have now 35 days Uptime on my Hackintosh box and it shows that Ive transferred on this machine only 50 gigabytes on that period of time. With 3G. I connect my computers to 3G-Wifi-Router at home.

I also have PowerBook and Galaxy S which I use with wi-fi when home. So my actual monthly data usage has been now about 55 - 60 gigabytes and 90% of that is youtube watching.

If Elisa starts to limit my 3G usage I will sue they in court and I will win because in Finland the corporations have to do what they promise.

You havent seen whole Finland, there is no ADSL cables everywhere, Finland is huge Country, almost size of France and we have only 5.4 million People living here. So 3G connections are a must.

And actually there is a law here in Finland that operators must give at least 1mbit 3G connection no matter where you live.

Just last year, Sonera had to put big tower to Lappland because there was no 3G or internet connections at all. Our minister of traffic etc from Parlament went to the site and they showed it in the news, next month Sonera was building a new 3G tower on-site because minister told them that they must obey Finnish laws and it is consireded as a civil right here to have Internet connections for everyone.

 

[sapporobaby]

Nope, this one Samsung Galaxy Tab 8.9 LTE http://www.phonearena.com/reviews/Samsung-Galaxy-Tab-8.9-LTE-Review_id2925

It supports LTE 700 MHz Class 17 / 1700 / 2100 - for AT&T and LTE 800 / 1800 / 2600 (http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_tab_8_9_lte-4125.php). As by magic Samsung accomplished something Apple couldn't (or wouldn't).

Nice find. Couldn't isn't really an option. More like didn't because of some reason only they know about. As stated previously, Apple has more radios in this iPad than any other mobile device (the Nokia N8 is supposed to be a pent-band device). Could be that there would have been significant battery life issues with all of those radios turned on at once. Second, Europe is not as advanced as the US in terms of LTE rollout, with HSPA+ being the current high speed flavor of the month in Europe. Once more operators roll out LTE (whatever version they land on), Apple will most likely decide on the most widely used flavor and implement that in their devices. If the current iPad is not to your (no you personally) liking, then don't buy it. Get an Android tablet instead.

 

[AllieNeko]

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Really? Care to provide evidence to your ridiculous claims?? Considering I drive from Mancheter gb to Heidelberg de every two weeks I get a very consistent 3G signal, when I was in nj and tn 3G was very patchy

My experience last May with O2 in the UK and and O2 in Germany. UK was much worse than Germany, but both were absolutely atrocious compared to AT&T here in the States. England wasn't too bad, but I stayed mostly around London. I took my little cousins to Legoland (in Windsor). Full signal there. Full signal GPRS. Absolutely useless. Even in the greater London area dead zones abound.

Northern Ireland, well, it's 3G in Belfast. But outside Belfast mostly a mixture of GPRS and no service. Considered myself thankful to have EDGE at my grandparents' house. EDGE never seemed so good before. At least in the US, GPRS is almost unheard of.

Germany, good 3G in the cities, but overloaded beyond belief (slow as dirt) in parts of Berlin). For the most part, EDGE between cities. Much better than the UK, but still, nothing like AT&T here in the US.

Granted, network matters. I'm looking at just one network. But still, O2 is not generally the one to have a terrible reputation. I don't want to think how bad my experience with Orange would have been (used them in Switzerland. Coverage was fine but network was overloaded beyond belief).

Meteor in Ireland and TIM in Italy both worked absolutely fabulously... so obviously my observations aren't of every network or every country.

All this much cheaper than paying AT&T roaming (Germany was pricey - like 30EUR for a SIM to use data while I was there. Vs. £10/EUR10 almost universal in other countries).

And again, looking at one network may not be fair. But wow, O2 in the UK is so atrocious I don't know how anyone puts up with it (other than price...)

 

[xinu]

Well here in Korea , regardless of whether the actual LTE coverage exists, LTE is the next big thing. The iPads lack of support for local LTE is not going to go down very well, and Apple have just given Samsung a marketing gift on a plate.

As an ex-cellular telecom engineer I realize the technical limitations Apple have to deal with, but to the tech hungry folk on the streets here it don't mean squat.

Let's hope the bright ones realize its still a better product than the tab series and the new display saves the day.

Just my thoughts.

Your population density in S-Korea is so high that it is easier for you there to make high-speed internet connections for everyone.

I have read from news that you have personal 10Gb/s internet connections? That is unavailable for 99,9% to the rest of the world..

Internet connections in North-Korea then, probably wont be so good? lol

 

[sapporobaby]

Well I have now 35 days Uptime on my Hackintosh box and it shows that Ive transferred on this machine only 50 gigabytes on that period of time. With 3G. I connect my computers to 3G-Wifi-Router at home.

I also have PowerBook and Galaxy S which I use with wi-fi when home. So my actual monthly data usage has been now about 55 - 60 gigabytes and 90% of that is youtube watching.

If Elisa starts to limit my 3G usage I will sue they in court and I will win because in Finland the corporations have to do what they promise.

You havent seen whole Finland, there is no ADSL cables everywhere, Finland is huge Country, almost size of France and we have only 5.4 million People living here. So 3G connections are a must.

And actually there is a law here in Finland that operators must give at least 1mbit 3G connection no matter where you live.

Just last year, Sonera had to put big tower to Lappland because there was no 3G or internet connections at all. Our minister of traffic etc from Parlament went to the site and they showed it in the news, next month Sonera was building a new 3G tower on-site because minister told them that they must obey Finnish laws and it is consireded as a civil right here to have Internet connections for everyone.

You don't know what I've seen or not seen in Finland so don't assume. Second, I know about Finland, and where there is cable (wired Internet) and not. I know the demographics as well, so I don't need to telling me but thank you.

Sonera and all of the operators are building out additional sites in and around cities as well as the more remote areas of Finland. This is not new. I don't get your point in bringing up something that does not matter.

You can sue all you want but if it's in the ToS, and you violate them, you will lose in the very same Finnish court that you think affords you a win.

 

[meatballs]

Nice find. Couldn't isn't really an option. More like didn't because of some reason only they know about. As stated previously, Apple has more radios in this iPad than any other mobile device (the Nokia N8 is supposed to be a pent-band device). Could be that there would have been significant battery life issues with all of those radios turned on at once. Second, Europe is not as advanced as the US in terms of LTE rollout, with HSPA+ being the current high speed flavor of the month in Europe. Once more operators roll out LTE (whatever version they land on), Apple will most likely decide on the most widely used flavor and implement that in their devices. If the current iPad is not to your (no you personally) liking, then don't buy it. Get an Android tablet instead.

I don't actually care about having LTE or even 3G on the iPad (getting the WiFi version because we have free tethering in Sweden) but I know a lot a lot of people do. Upon further inspection it seems that the Tab 8.9 LTE only supports AT&T LTE in the U.S. I can only speculate but perhaps this had something to do with Apples decision? Anyway, if the upcoming iPhone has no european LTE support there's going to be an uproar.

 

[swagi]

If I'm looking at that map correctly, it's only in rural areas. In other words, if I'm in Munich, all I get is 3G. If I go about 40 miles outside the city, I'll get LTE. So I doubt that "82 million people" are covered by LTE in Germany.

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That sounds a lot like the controversial Verizon HomeFusion service for rural areas.

You still don't get it, do you?

With all your posts you are still demonstrating your ignorance that LTE not only exists in Germany but IT'S LIVE. If you just read what we Germans already have posted - we strongly agree and disagree with you.

First of all (and I don't know if that claim was yours) as you seem to be a technical expert, could you care to explain, why a signal band that was formerly used for terrestrial TV shouldn't work through walls?

Second - yes, we agree that a rather slow variant of LTE was set up in German rural areas. This was due to the fact that government decided it that way. Only if the white spots are filled, providers are allowed to build up LTE in cities (which as we speak happens every day). I have full coverage at hand and the throttling basically is the first logical step to protect your infrastructure. This will be a problem of rather months than years.

Third: If Vodafone LTE was that bad, why are they selling the HTC Velocity 4G LTE and the Samsung Galaxy SII LTE? Answer - it's not that bad. It's in deployment phase, it's live and it gets better each and every day.

So just to reiterate: the three major cities with a deployed and working LTE network are Cologne (Telekom), Dusseldorf (Vodafone) and Frankfurt(Telekom). And several major cities are in deployment phase. The thord major carrier (O2) just announced, that July 2nd their LTE-network will go live in Nuremberg, Leipzig, Hannover, Munich, Hamburg, Frankfurt/Main, Dresden and Berlin.

This summer will be all about LTE in the mobile industry - and I bet you there will either be a new iPad by than or a lot of lost sales. And don't go the "Retina Display" Route again, as we both know every other major tablet offers comparable displays.

 

[xinu]

You don't know what I've seen or not seen in Finland so don't assume. Second, I know about Finland, and where there is cable (wired Internet) and not. I know the demographics as well, so I don't need to telling me but thank you.

Sonera and all of the operators are building out additional sites in and around cities as well as the more remote areas of Finland. This is not new. I don't get your point in bringing up something that does not matter.

You can sue all you want but if it's in the ToS, and you violate them, you will lose in the very same Finnish court that you think affords you a win.

Here in Finland Unlimited means Unlimited. Also same in Sweden and I believe in all Scandic Countries. I know it is hard to understand for you US citizens that Unlimited is word in English and it means, no limits.

You call unlimited 5gb/month without tethering included.

We call unlimited here 100000000 terabytes/month and unlimited tethering included.

Is it so hard really to understand?

 

[theluggage]

Most in the US will not get to use the DC-HSPA+ technology in the new iPad, but have LTE instead.

...but then the iPad isn't being specifically sold in the US as "iPad with WiFi and DC-HSDPA+" with just a footnote in the technical specs saying "DC-HSDPA available on <list of EU carriers>".

Sorry guys: selling the iPad outside US as "iPad with WiFi and 4G" is just plain misleading, implying that it will work on 4G when its rolled out in your country.

This should have been sold as "iPad with WiFi and superfast 3G" outside the US. Apple have "regionalised" products and sites - the UK site has "colour" spelled with a "u" and everything - so it wouldn't have been rocket science.

Oh, and the point is that 4G LTE will be rolled out in many countries over the lifetime of the product (and by that I mean the useful life of several years that the consumer should reasonably expect, not "by the time the next model comes out"). Whether the carriers will continue to roll out DC-HSDPA+ once 4G comes out remains to be seen, so its quite plausible that you could end up in an area with 4G LTE and no DC-HSDPA+. Claiming that the iPad supports 4G suggests that it will be able to take advantage of that - which would definitely be a selling point.

PS: the footnote listing the US and Canada carriers that support 4G LTE is only on one page (and even that ihardly makes it clear that it will never support 4G LTE outside of North America") - elsewhere its just a Captain Obvious disclaimer that "4G is not available in all areas". I know that the US has a hard time growing out of caveat emptor, but if someone does complain to Advertising Standards in the UK, I doubt they'll be impressed.

 

[JaySI]

Sorry guys: selling the iPad outside US as "iPad with WiFi and 4G" is just plain misleading, implying that it will work on 4G when its rolled out in your country.

That's the gist of the issue IMO. I'm an Apple fan but they've clearly missed the marketing strategy here. And i'm sure massive class action suits are not far away.

 

[sapporobaby]

I don't actually care about having LTE or even 3G on the iPad (getting the WiFi version because we have free tethering in Sweden) but I know a lot a lot of people do. Upon further inspection it seems that the Tab 8.9 LTE only supports AT&T LTE in the U.S. I can only speculate but perhaps this had something to do with Apples decision? Anyway, if the upcoming iPhone has no european LTE support there's going to be an uproar.

The LTE will not be a big an issue as others are making it out to be. The HSPA+ networks are pretty good here in Finland, especially when the coverage is very good. For the most part, casual usage is good enough to stream anything or download most media content (not HD), so again LTE is more of a misnomer than anything else. To whine about paying for a radio doesn't take into account that people in the US are paying for radios that they will never use as well.

 

[Swedishbacon]

Considering that 4G is virtually non-existant in Europe (barring very small pockets) this won't affect anyone there anyway until they roll it out--which I've read would take a few more years still. This would pose a problem for people who don't wish to upgrade when a new iPad comes out that does support the required LTE frequencies though and would keep it for 2 or 3 years.

My guess is that LTE chips covering the multitude of frequencies in addition to all the other 3G bands is probably not good enough yet, so they chose to put in what was available.

For us in sweden it will be kind of a pain. We were the first country to launch the first commercial 4G-network, and now we can't enjoy it on the new iPad? Kinda sucks. And it's very existant over here, I can tell you that.

 

[sapporobaby]

Here in Finland Unlimited means Unlimited. Also same in Sweden and I believe in all Scandic Countries. I know it is hard to understand for you US citizens that Unlimited is word in English and it means, no limits.

You call unlimited 5gb/month without tethering included.

We call unlimited here 100000000 terabytes/month and unlimited tethering included.

Is it so hard really to understand?

Considering you are Mr. Internet stranger and I have friends that work for the operators, I'll take their word over yours any day. How hard is that for you to understand? No translation needed.

By the way, I see you sidestepped the GPS crap you put as well.

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That's the gist of the issue IMO. I'm an Apple fan but they've clearly missed the marketing strategy here. And i'm sure massive class action suits are not far away.

I tend to agree that Apple played the semantics game here. They never said LTE for the world but for the US and listed a bunch of operators. They then threw the other cell technologies out there as well. I am not a lawyer but I would say they covered their bases LEGALLY, but maybe no ethically or morally. They played a word game that is misleading at best, and bait and switch at worse. I took the time to call a few European operators (Vodafone in Germany, Vodafone UK, Sonera Finland, Elisa Finland) and they all say the same thing. The iPad will work fine and fast on the HSPA+ networks but there is no chance it will work on the LTE network. I then called Apple in the UK just to verify. Their tech support is terrible. The guy actually told me that it does not matter the frequencies because of spread spectrum. I almost fell over laughing. His logic was that it was covered from 700 Mhz all the way to 2700 Mhz and everywhere in between. I can see how people are confused if even the Apple tech support is inept.

 

[xinu]

Considering you are Mr. Internet stranger and I have friends that work for the operators, I'll take their word over yours any day. How hard is that for you to understand? No translation needed.

By the way, I see you sidestepped the GPS crap you put as well.

I hope that other Finnish macrumors members will tell you also that there really is unlimited data and tethering in Finland.

Well Ive pasted you the internet links where the information is clearly available. Get a Finnish-English translator from somewhere and stop whining about our 3G data limits. Sonera and DNA will not give you unlimited data plans with Apple products. That is said already.

Elisa-Saunalahti however, gives you unlimited data. You can check all that out from those companies www sites, it states there quite clearly.

http://www.nettimarkkina.com/navicore-bluetooth-gps/946397

There is that GPS receiver that I had back in around 2005-2006 it worked flawlessy and showed speeds with 1km/h accuracy when driving. It has passed 7 years from that and Mobile Phone GPS sucks compared to that old little device that unfortunately I dont have anymore.