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International 4G iPad Models Will Work on AT&T, Not on LTE in Home Countries
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Well we do have some of the fastest home connections in the world, that's true. Not so sure about the personal 10gb part though. I have 50mb at home an that's average. The point is was making though was that in a highly connected society, the new iPads lack of support for local LTE here is a killer for a lot of folks and a boon for Samsung.
North Korea I'm sure has some very high speed string between two cans!
LTE has been sold very unfairly here in that the operators have been pushing dealers to sell LTE enabled devices even though they have yet to reach full coverage. But folk love new acronyms on their phones.
Hope apple can weather the coming storm here until hopefully an iPad 4th gen appears with world mode LTE support.
I saw this the other day when searching. Separate model for LTE 800,1800,2600. Anyone have any idea the baseband or chipset used? It's tough finding specifications for some of these things, including the 9600 Apple used. I'm really curious now if there was a technical reason Apple didn't make a 3rd LTE version with 800,2600 or what the case was.
Same story here in Norway.
Netcom opened their LTE-network to the public on December 14th. 2009, and now soon to be 2 1/2 years later the new iPad wont support it.
Wow! What is Apple thinking of..?
Or perhaps Apple will release the new iPhone in Q4 when the chips are available. Possibly it will be a staged release, with AT&T and Verizon versions coming first.
Note that Sprint is further behind than AT&T and Verizon as far as LTE, and they use an incompatible frequency (2500MHz), which is one of the least desirable bands because no one else uses it and it has poor building penetration. So this isn't just a "US vs. rest of the world" issue.
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What's the battery life on that? Also, what's the screen resolution?
Apple has never adopted wireless technology first. Remember, the first iPhone was 2G only. They were probably reluctant to use the 45nm LTE chip at all, as evidenced by the iPhone 4S' lack of LTE.
People are acting as if Apple is never going to support LTE outside the US. They will, but just not yet. In the meantime, they are supporting faster 3G services, which I am guessing the vast majority of buyers will be happy with for the foreseeable future.
No, I do get it. LTE is live in Germany and the new iPad doesn't support it. However, LTE has been live on Verizon for the past 1.5 years, the iPhone 4S doesn't support it, and it is still Verizon's best selling phone. It is also AT&T's best selling phone and they have rolled out LTE to 23 cities in the US, as well.
What I'm saying is that it really won't matter to enough people, and by the time it does, Apple will be ready with a version that supports European LTE. It may be a mid-cycle update (like the Verizon iPhone 4), or it may be next year.
You just don't get it, do you? We've been bombarded with LTE for over a year in the US, too, and it hasn't hurt the iPhone 4S one bit.
Also, no one else offers a display with the resolution of the new iPad. No one. And Apple has cornered the supply chain for a while, so it will be a few months before others have similar resolution displays in any significant quantities (yes, there will be some announcements).
I'm pretty sure we'll soon be reading about how well the iPad has sold. Apparently the shipping times are already 2-3 weeks in Germany.
This is the correct answer for the type of A-GPS used in iOS devices, and for current smartphones of all types. The assistance comes from requesting the latest satellite information from a server on the network, instead of having to slowly download it from the satellites themselves at 50 (yes, fifty) bits per second.
A common misconception brought about by a Jobs' verbal mistake long ago, is that A-GPS involves cell towers. No. He was trying to cover up the lack of GPS in the first iPhone model and confused a lot of people.
Another misconception is that somehow phones talk back and forth with cell towers to get their position. (*) Current smartphones simply take the broadcast cell id and ask a server to look up a crowd-sourced "center" of that particular cell coverage area. This is used in place of GPS to save time and power.
(*) Simple CDMA phones do talk back and forth with towers and use their help to determine their GPS position. Unlike AT&T phones where E911 locating in the US is roughly done by triangulation at the towers (the phone doesn't know this info), CDMA phones all included a GPS chip. However, most didn't have the cpu power to do their own calculations, and required assistance from the network. This is why why even simple Verizon flip-phones can do car navigation, and why Verizon used to charge for GPS access on pre-2008 smartphones.
Sorry, but you are wrong. Unlimited IS unlimited, nobody is denying that, what IS being done, also in Finnland, I had it myself when we where there, is throttling. The Law gives every Finn a 1Mb Line if he choses so, but thats not what we are talking about. Your 3G connection can be (and will be if you continue to use it as you say) throttled down to 1Mbs, that is better then in other countries, but never the less, will not give you terabytes of downloads since the data is only trickling down your line. However, unlimited.
You can sue as much as you want, thats the facts and they will not change the law for you.
Well I have been using my 3G for almost 2 years now and downloaded every month at least 30 gigabytes and winter times even more. No throttling, never.
Maybe I live in somekind of dream world or psychosis and I just Imagine my youtube videos I watch every day with my 3G
Yeah it must be that. I am gone mad and hallucinating these things. You are absolutely right. My data usage is really below 1 gigs per month and I probably better commit suicide now because I have been declared liar and insane.
Yeah, they should change to LTE in the US,Kanada and Mexico (and half a dozen other countries once they decided by 2014) sometimes if your lucky and superfast 4G speeds in the rest of the world.
After all, die chipset supports faster network speed NOW in the UK then LTE will ever bring.
Since the 3G people decided that everything over 20 Mbs is considered 4G, the new iPad fullfills that claime by name at least.
If you do not like the new iPad because it has faster speeds then LTE and it is not draining the battery as fast as other LTE devices, then simply do not buy it.
Sorry to disapoint you, but the Samsung Tablet did not accomplish something Apple could not do.
The AT&T Model of that Tablet got the same chipset in it, the new iPad is using.
Then they have two other models, depending on the market, with other chipsets supporting that market, one of them the one for Europe. However, even that one is not covering ALL proposed European Bands.
So, its by no means universal, it depends where you buy it. When you buy it, you get an old software on it, a smaller and lower resolution screen and battery life under LTE 2600 that can be mesured in minutes, not hours. For about the same price then the new iPad.
Oh, and good luck using it with Vodafone Germanys LTE 2600, it will only work in one City, Cologne. It will not work in the rural areas and it will not work with t-mobiles network (even so they use 2600 but another band)
One simply has to accept, that there is no way at the moment, to build a mobile device for all bands. The new iPad is not even supporting all LTE Networks in the US, this is all so new and so fragmented, that we have at least some 5 years or more until decent devices are out for this LTE.
The article is misleading given that many of the carriers have chosen to deploy LTE on those said frequencies however within the next 2-3 years the lower frequencies such as 700Mhz will become available. The country I live in, for example, will be auctioning off the 700Mhz spectrum in 2012/2013, Australia is the same and a few other countries are going to be deploying 700Mhz as well.
You are correct. As a matter of fact, the first trials from Vodafone in Germany where in the 700 mhz Band and even today they broadcast in that spectrum. The low frequencies are very sought after, as they have exellent penetration for buildings but where blocked by TV channel transmissions.
The original plan was 700mhz for rural aereas and 2600 for cities. The "digital dividend" frequencies around 700 mhz are becoming now available and being auctioned in over 70 countries over the next 3 years.
In Finland are for example problems with neighboring Russia, they have other uses for that frequency.
It all need a lot more time and whoever wants to buy the new iPad solely because of LTE should forget it. But then, there is no alternative at the moment.
Exactly - no one offers a display same resolution as the iPad3. This is mainly due to the reason, that no one in their sane mind uses 4:3 aspect ration on a tablet.
But given the fact that all major hardware vendors announced 1920x1200 displays with 226 ppi (instead of 264 ppi on iPad3) I guess, this difference is negligible.
The fact that the Whopper sells, doesn't say anything about its quality but about the quality of the buyers. Wow - being an Apple user for a decade I never thought I would come to the point where I state that an Apple product is "the Whopper" while others offer quality.
So now you arrived at LTE-style-argumentation: Nah, Apple dos nothing wrong. Just look how much they sell (nevertheless they are still blatantly lying on the Apple webpage and stating 4G capability in Germany).
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And they are right. The governing body did not even accept LTE in its original findings as 4G, that was reserved to 1Gbs downloads and up.
So, LTE was for a long time 3.9G
Then they decided to class everything UP TO 20Mbs as 3.5G (thats everything faster then UMTS/3G 386kbs) and everything OVER 20Mbs 4G. The new iPad supports up to 42Mbs down, so thats well in 4G terretory.
LTE in Germany supports up to 20Mps, stationary in rural aereas up to 50Mbs, but both marks are not even close achived.
Leagally, Apple is safe. And if you ask people outside nerdwanna, you find that they could not give a flying ******* about any of these acronyms as long as there mobile internet is up to twice as fast as there connection at home over the average DSL line where the magic words always where "up to"
There's a significant difference between 264 ppi and 226 ppi. Some Android manufacturers also cut corners by using a pentile display matrix.
Also, there's a difference between technical specifications and quality. The iPhone and iPad set the bar in terms of build quality (as does most of the Mac line). Apple uses expensive components, and doesn't like to use cheap materials the way many Android manufacturers do.
Apple has made a choice up to now not to include LTE radios in any of their devices, likely because they have concluded that the current chipsets aren't worth the tradeoffs. In the case of the new iPad, they have evidently changed that view, but only to a point. They clearly want to market faster wireless, and in doing so they added DC-HSDPA and faster HSPA+ support than what was in the iPad 2. That would do no good whatsoever in the US because Verizon doesn't use HSPA+ at all (their 3G is CDMA EVDO) and I believe AT&T tops out at HSPA+ 14.4. So Apple made the logical move by adding LTE for the US market, which offers about the same speeds as HSPA+ and DC-HSDPA offer you in Europe.
That doesn't mean the iPad is of lesser "quality" than Android devices that offer LTE any more than a BMW with a 6-cylinder engine is any less of a "quality" car than a Chevy with an 8-cylinder. It just doesn't offer the same technology.
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According to the ITU, HSPA+ and DC-HSDPA are 4G. Even LTE didn't meet the original standard, so they changed it.
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You hit the nail on the head. Those who want the new iPad solely for LTE will be disappointed unless they live in North America. However, there are a lot of reasons to want the new iPad other than LTE. Even the rumor mills listed LTE only as a "possibility" the day before (while the Retina Display was a given). It was certainly given a higher probability than the haptic feedback and 7.85" iPad rumors, but nonetheless a lot of the "experts" were prepared for Apple to stick with 3G-only for one more generation (given that the 28nm Qualcomm chipsets are only now starting to go into production).
Heck, the iPad 2 topped out at HSPA+ 7.2. The new model is a vast improvement even without LTE.
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Yes, the original iPhone used cellular triangulation as the sole source of location data. The GPS models now use cellular triangulation in addition to normal GPS. That's what A-GPS is.
Difference is only 15% and still the screen ratio of 4:3 is unforgivable decision. Who watches 4:3 movies? Yes u quessed it, nobody.
Who watches movies on a tablet? That is probably one of the least used scenarios. When you use the iPad over air play on a decent tv or projector, it puts out 1080p, THATS when you watch movies.
The 3/4 screen is a major selling point, as other manufactures (like Samsung) are putting out devices with the same proportions, as this screen is perfekt for the things you DO do with a tablet.
Websites look correct without white Aereas on the right, Photos are correct, Books and Docs are correct and it is much easier to hold. Even my old Samsung Galaxy Tab is more unconfortable to use even tho it is smaller.
15% is noticeable, though. As for sticking with 4x3, it makes perfect sense from the standpoint of maintaining compatibility with older software. Had they switched to 16x9, it would have created fragmentation issues. They just quadrupled the resolution, making it easier for older apps to run as they always did.
iPad is about more than just watching movies. 4x3 is closer to the aspect ratio of a piece of paper. I'm not saying it is the perfect aspect ratio for everything or even anything, but then again, 16x9 isn't perfect, either.
Which Samsung tablets are using 4:3 screen ratio?
Is it a "major selling point" like a glossy screens on Macbooks?
Actually even Wikipedia differs from your definition.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3G
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4G
And considerinf the 'not achieved marks' here is a German video for you from Dusseldorf:
Fun part is at 1:20
Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; CPU iPhone OS 5_1 like Mac OS X) AppleWebKit/534.46 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/5.1 Mobile/9B176 Safari/7534.48.3)
If I find myself in another country with either the Verizon or AT&T version, it is my understanding that I can get 3G connectivity. This is good enough for me.
If I find myself in another country with either the Verizon or AT&T version, it is my understanding that I can get 3G connectivity. This is good enough for me.
4G - 80 Mbit/s in Sweden (Europe) = True
I have read some comments about lack of 4G in Europe. To me, living in Sweden, that seems just like a rumour. I can confirm that I can get 80 Mbit/s with 30 GB monthly allowance for USD 70 / month. (top spec. subscribtion). Check yourself from map service at telia.se/privat/mobilt-bredband/merom/hastighetskarta/. We have a problem with Apple not delivering the hardware we have the infrastructure for.
I have read some comments about lack of 4G in Europe. To me, living in Sweden, that seems just like a rumour. I can confirm that I can get 80 Mbit/s with 30 GB monthly allowance for USD 70 / month. (top spec. subscribtion). Check yourself from map service at telia.se/privat/mobilt-bredband/merom/hastighetskarta/. We have a problem with Apple not delivering the hardware we have the infrastructure for.
Which Samsung tablets are using 4:3 screen ratio?
Is it a "major selling point" like a glossy screens on Macbooks?
Sorry, my bad, its the other corean, LG, the optimus vu comes with 4:3 screen and they want to put the big version out as well.
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And you are correct. And you probably are faster then back home. LTE or not.