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International 4G iPad Models Will Work on AT&T, Not on LTE in Home Countries

KPOM said:
True, but China seems to have better mobile coverage than the US, and they have 4x the number of people and about the same number of mobile users. That said, they probably don't have the same concerns about zoning and "not in my backyard" syndrome that we get in the US (if they want to put up a cell tower, they'll just go ahead and do it).
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Yup, thats for sure one reason. Its also incredibly spread out and in the country (and they mean country) you got nothing at all. In Hong Kong they got femto cells every two floors, connected to fiber, same then in Seoul, S.Korea, they got cell coverage with 21Mbs in the subway! Seriously, they stream TV under ground, mind boggling.
Put that in contrast with the protests in NYC (the finacial capital of the WORLD) where you have protests when a PAGER network gets shut down. Remember? pagers?......
 
Chlloret said:
Yup, thats for sure one reason. Its also incredibly spread out and in the country (and they mean country) you got nothing at all. In Hong Kong they got femto cells every two floors, connected to fiber, same then in Seoul, S.Korea, they got cell coverage with 21Mbs in the subway! Seriously, they stream TV under ground, mind boggling.
Put that in contrast with the protests in NYC (the finacial capital of the WORLD) where you have protests when a PAGER network gets shut down. Remember? pagers?......
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New York stopped being the Financial Capital of the world in 2007 if you did not notice it.

Strange that those Asian countries can do successful business out of HIGH SPEED WORKING mobile networks and "the capital of universe" cannot
 
Conclusions:

- In USA operators cannot make equation to work with high-speed network and still make profit while the rest of the world can. Strange.

- In New York population density causes lots of problems and carriers are over crowded so they must rip off customers with every possible way imaginable

- In Asia population density is benefit and connection speeds worlds best class and no data limiting. Operators make massive profits.

- In Finland population density is so low that connection speeds are better than in NYC. No data limits, and Operators are making massive profits.

Oh but wait a second!

The iPhone is a nightmare for carriers


http://money.cnn.com/2012/02/08/technology/iphone_carrier_subsidy/
 
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xinu said:
New York stopped being the Financial Capital of the world in 2007 if you did not notice it.

Strange that those Asian countries can do successful business out of HIGH SPEED WORKING mobile networks and "the capital of universe" cannot
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Will you just shut up already? I know anti-Americanism is fashionable in some European circles, and likely as a Finn you are probably a bit angry that an American company completely decimated your country's flagship manufacturer (not just technology company, but pure manufacturer) in less than 5 years, but things aren't all bad in the US.

For starters, Verizon has a decent network in the US and has for a long time. AT&T has issues in several big cities (NYC, Chicago, San Francisco), but works pretty good in most of the rest of the country. For many reasons, our mobile infrastructure is fragmented, though IMO it comes down to the screwy and short-sighted way we broke up the AT&T monopoly back in the early 1980s.

That said, yes, NYC is still the financial capital. The crisis took a bigger toll on London than NYC. Also, like it or not, Apple and Google dominate the mobile sector now.
 
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Why is it sold as "4G" here in Europe? Not only is it not LTE, but it won't even support anything close to it. It's a 3G device.
 
KPOM said:
Will you just shut up already? I know anti-Americanism is fashionable in some European circles, and likely as a Finn you are probably a bit angry that an American company completely decimated your country's flagship manufacturer (not just technology company, but pure manufacturer) in less than 5 years, but things aren't all bad in the US.

For starters, Verizon has a decent network in the US and has for a long time. AT&T has issues in several big cities (NYC, Chicago, San Francisco), but works pretty good in most of the rest of the country. For many reasons, our mobile infrastructure is fragmented, though IMO it comes down to the screwy and short-sighted way we broke up the AT&T monopoly back in the early 1980s.

That said, yes, NYC is still the financial capital. The crisis took a bigger toll on London than NYC. Also, like it or not, Apple and Google dominate the mobile sector now.
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I like Google and I use Apple products too. One PowerBook G4, couple of Hackintosh boxes and yes I bought the SnoLeo DVD from apple store. Long history with Linux, since 1994 when it was available for real beta usage.

I dont hate USA and I believe that USA will get out of this financial crisis better than EU because USA is real nation, EU is a pathetic joke as it comes to anykind of patriotism. Europe has been in war before Christ was born and Europe is in war still in some countries. It will never end, there will never be "one minded EU" that is 100% fact.


Nokia will announce Android phones soon and they will sell more than any other phone has ever sold. Youll see. Nokia stock price is historically low now, last time this low it must have been somewhere in 1890's or something. Yes, Nokia is very old company and has survived Finnish Civil War and both world wars.

Oh you believe that Nokia will parish out, like BlackBerry RIM ? No no my friend. The situation is that everyone knows Nokia in the whole world, and nobody knows RIM or BlackBerry anywhere outside US / CAN

In India, Nokia market share still strong. In Africa, over 50% still. They cannot afford any Apple products, in our lifetime anyway. Stocks go up and down, iPhones come iPhones go... Someday Apple stocks will drop too, it propably happens when the Carriers in US force people pay the 900 bucks for an iPhone and then they notice that US citizens cannot afford to pay 900 bucks for anything.

Then Apple must lower it profit margins and that will drop the stock price -50% immediately.
 
Xenc said:
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Why is it sold as "4G" here in Europe? Not only is it not LTE, but it won't even support anything close to it. It's a 3G device.
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DC-HSDPA offers speeds very close to LTE in practical terms. Technically it qualifies as a 4G standard.
 
xinu said:
Nokia will announce Android phones soon and they will sell more than any other phone has ever sold.
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I doubt it, unless the Board gets fed up with Stephen Elop and gets rid of him within the next 3 months or so. They have committed to Windows Phone and are eyeing Windows 8 tablets, as well. If they switch to Android, it would cost them another year of development (and also result in a write down of the rest of their investment in Navteq). I'm sure there is a breakage fee they'd owe to Microsoft, as well.

Also, even if they could switch to Android now, Samsung has the high end cornered, and they also have the scale to compete with Nokia downmarket.


xinu said:
Youll see. Nokia stock price is historically low now, last time this low it must have been somewhere in 1890's or something. Yes, Nokia is very old company and has survived Finnish Civil War and both world wars.
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And GM was founded in 1908 and survived 2 world wars. Yet it needed $50 billion of government aid to survive.

xinu said:
Oh you believe that Nokia will parish out, like BlackBerry RIM ? No no my friend. The situation is that everyone knows Nokia in the whole world, and nobody knows RIM or BlackBerry anywhere outside US / CAN
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RIM had made significant inroads into Europe before the rise of Android.

I don't think Nokia will go out of business, but they may go the way of HTC and Motorola. Both are still around, but they aren't driving the market. Motorola Mobility will soon be subsumed by Google.

xinu said:
In India, Nokia market share still strong. In Africa, over 50% still. They cannot afford any Apple products, in our lifetime anyway. Stocks go up and down, iPhones come iPhones go... Someday Apple stocks will drop too, it propably happens when the Carriers in US force people pay the 900 bucks for an iPhone and then they notice that US citizens cannot afford to pay 900 bucks for anything.

Then Apple must lower it profit margins and that will drop the stock price -50% immediately.
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Apple trades at less than a 15 P/E. Undoubtedly their phone margin won't last forever, but I think they have 2-3 years to figure it out. Apple in 2012 is a far cry from Apple in 1986. Tim Cook is no John Sculley.

Also, the iPad is unsubsidized and it is still dominating its market. iPhone can also adapt to a less subsidized market (I don't think US carriers will ever completely get rid of subsidies).
 
Johnba said:
One thing to consider. If you used your AT&T phone you only had access to the 1800MHz network, so no UMTS or the better 900MHz. I suffer with my Nokia E71 (AT&T model) for navigation, but anything else is miserable...
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That is semi-true and a fair point to an extent. My phone does support UMTS (850,1900,2100) and quad-band GSM (850,900,1800,1900). There are a few areas in Northern Ireland where I had GPRS (Magherafelt, N. Ireland) that the map for O2 shows they have UMTS900 (but not UMTS2100). I believe, however, that is new since I was there (it's new, rural, 900-only UMTS). Also, some fringe areas (Legoland Windsor...), in-building, etc may have been better if my phone supported UMTS900.

However, this is NOT an excuse for the network coverage I saw. UMTS900 deployment is extremely recent and while it brings an improvement I'm certain it is not a solution in and of itself. For one thing, even many O2 sold phones do not support UMTS900 (thus why they have separate maps for UMTS2100 and UMTS900 on their website).
 
Chlloret said:
For what? A iPad with a chip only supporting those two bands would cover about half of European proposed LTE networks. If they emerge. Maybe. In the future.
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I think you need to catch up on LTE deployment, the 800 and 2600 bands dominate Europe (Spain included) and will continue to do so as roll-outs continue. This is probably nothing more than a marketing move by Apple to drum up demand. They will offer an iPad that works on those bands, if not later this year then next year.
 
xinu said:
Nokia will announce Android phones soon and they will sell more than any other phone has ever sold. Youll see. Nokia stock price is historically low now, last time this low it must have been somewhere in 1890's or something. Yes, Nokia is very old company and has survived Finnish Civil War and both world wars.
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ORLY?

Would be such a shame as the Lumia 800 is a fine device. I definitely love it and I think that WindowsPhone7 is the best OS on a mobile phone I have seen in a while. Compared to live tiles Android Widgets look dull and iOS grid is - well - so old school it even isn't fun anymore.

Such a shame Nokia messed around with the software. The UMTS-bug really is annoying (you know, the one where the Lumia 800 lasts days on EDGE but battery perishes within 12 hrs when UMTS is activated).

Nokia Android? Wouldn't buy that...
 
KPOM said:
Also, the iPad is unsubsidized and it is still dominating its market. iPhone can also adapt to a less subsidized market (I don't think US carriers will ever completely get rid of subsidies).
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There are no subsidies here in Malaysia and where ever you're getting your iPhone, from a carrier or a reseller, you'll be paying full price on the spot or as an instalment. Despite that, I see numerous people with iPhones and the higher-end Android devices.

So you're right, the iPhone has the ability to adapt to a less subsidised market. But low smartphone penetration (though increasing) is still evident because of that.
 
this is so stupid... i know it is not apples fault, but why put the 4g marketing on all the international apple sites when you can not use 4g in those countries? :mad:
 
wrong wrong wrong..

first of we have 4G

The reason that we dont have the same standards (or some of the reasons)

is that different spectrum is used by military, or is restricted for other reasons.

also the equipment must be able to work without interference with the current network(s)

and as a BTW I have 4,8 Mps down and 3.0 up on the 3G network in Denmark - I havent seen many on AT&T having thous speeds, even on 4G.

and as of internet in general im paying 25 us$ pr month and http://www.speedtest.net/ can not messure my up or down, since im off the chart. - Good luck finding that in the US ;)
 
How is it possible that a company like Apple can launch a device that is not ready for the market it is launched into. Ok, it works in the US, but it is launched worldwide in selected countries where some of the main features of a device don't work. You can't sell a device stating that it doesn't work in your own country, but if you come into the US, it will work perfectly. That is called poor marketing!! One of the strongest points in Apple was that it worked when it was sold, meaning from day 1. Now they are selling something that works for a certain amount of these customers. This will take an effect on the reputation of Apple, as a lot of people are not so technically skilled and will see an Apple with 1 of the biggest features 4G. Although 4G is not yet commercialized here in Europe, a lot of these people will be frustrated that when 4G goes live in Europe, thet will not be able to use it because of frequencies issues. The people that are buying iPads are people that need a device that works, without too much hassle. I feel sorry that Apple missed this boat concerning these issues, which to my concern are Apple's fault cause these frequencies are distributed a long time ago.
 
I for one am really disappointed.

I was expecting everything that apple released, but I was hoping that it would actually worked where I lived and worked.

Australia and Europe have been screwed by Apple. Thanks a lot.
 
ikkeson said:
How is it possible that a company like Apple can launch a device that is not ready for the market it is launched into. Ok, it works in the US, but it is launched worldwide in selected countries where some of the main features of a device don't work. You can't sell a device stating that it doesn't work in your own country, but if you come into the US, it will work perfectly. That is called poor marketing!!
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Bye Bye Baby said:
I for one am really disappointed.

I was expecting everything that apple released, but I was hoping that it would actually worked where I lived and worked.

Australia and Europe have been screwed by Apple. Thanks a lot.
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How many times do we need to repeat this? The iPad WILL WORK in your countries. It just won't use LTE. However, they added DC-HSDPA and HSPA+ 21 to the new iPad, which is just as fast in real-world activity as LTE is here in the US. Are you really saying that if they had just marketed it as 3.5G/3.75G (or whatever your carriers consider DC-HSDPA and HSPA+) you wouldn't have been tempted to buy it?
 
KPOM said:
How many times do we need to repeat this? The iPad WILL WORK in your countries. It just won't use LTE. However, they added DC-HSDPA and HSPA+ 21 to the new iPad, which is just as fast in real-world activity as LTE is here in the US. Are you really saying that if they had just marketed it as 3.5G/3.75G (or whatever your carriers consider DC-HSDPA and HSPA+) you wouldn't have been tempted to buy it?
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Don't hurt yourself trying to explain it. Some people are almost too stupid (I'll probably get a yellow card for this but it's worth it)to be allowed to use a phone. Should people in the US complain that they will not get to use DC-HSPA+ even though the iPad supports it or should AT&T build out a network just to support a few serial whiners? Apple is guilty of piss-poor marketing. They should have explained this better for sure, but they assumed that grown adults would be able to read a simple web site this is not the case it seems.
 
sapporobaby said:
Don't hurt yourself trying to explain it. Some people are almost too stupid (I'll probably get a yellow card for this but it's worth it)to be allowed to use a phone. Should people in the US complain that they will not get to use DC-HSPA+ even though the iPad supports it or should AT&T build out a network just to support a few serial whiners? Apple is guilty of piss-poor marketing. They should have explained this better for sure, but they assumed that grown adults would be able to read a simple web site this is not the case it seems.
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Considering that the swedish Apple website initially stated specifically that LTE would work on the four major carriers in the country before changing the info after about 24 hours, the problem was hardly the customers ability to read.
Anyone still denies that Apple mislead us?
 
xinu said:
http://www.apple.com/fi/ipad/

This is Finnish Apple iPad page. All in english only and big 4G icon there..

But here carriers are advertising 3.5G as 4G as the speeds are quite the same anyway I have heard.
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This is also mentioned a bit down the page on the Finnish website:

***The new iPad supports fast mobile networks the world over. So you can browse the web, stream content or download a film at incredibly fast speeds. It also works on GSM/UMTS worldwide network technologies, including HSPA+ and DC-HSDPA — the fastest 3G networks out there. You’ll see downlink speeds up to 42 Mbps with DC-HSDPA and up to 21.1 Mbps with HSPA+.2***

All of these networks are supposed here in Finland. Soooooooooooo what's your point other than the fact that the Apple site has some similar text as the US Apple site?
 
sapporobaby said:
Got a screen shot of that dude?
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No, I don't, but the text that now reads "Cellular data service for iPad is available from the following carriers. Each carrier offers a range of data plan options" was changed from the previous days "4G service for iPad is available from the following carriers: [3, Telia, Telenor, Tele2]"
 
sapporobaby said:
This is also mentioned a bit down the page on the Finnish website:

***The new iPad supports fast mobile networks the world over. So you can browse the web, stream content or download a film at incredibly fast speeds. It also works on GSM/UMTS worldwide network technologies, including HSPA+ and DC-HSDPA — the fastest 3G networks out there. You’ll see downlink speeds up to 42 Mbps with DC-HSDPA and up to 21.1 Mbps with HSPA+.2***

All of these networks are supposed here in Finland. Soooooooooooo what's your point other than the fact that the Apple site has some similar text as the US Apple site?
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no Special point just joining again, the conversation to improve my english so I can move out of this miserable hellhole some day
 
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