International 4G iPad Models Will Work on AT&T, Not on LTE in Home Countries

[craznar]

Spectrum isn't strictly-speaking an english word, so it uses latin plurals. Spectra is the plural of Spectrum.

Technically, a word and its plural can either be independently or collectively consumed by the target language.

So, there is no clear cut rule for pluralisation, as the singular may have been borrowed without the plural - so the pluralisation will follow English rules.

Spectrum is as English a word as any other English word.

 

[teena77]

Buy a wifi model, and then use the local carrier's wifi hotspot. What's the problem?

bec for eg in germany (and other countries) the owner of the hotspot is repsonsible for the used services..

So if someone shares childporn the hotspot-owner has a real problem.

To prevent this you have to pay bec when you pay they have your Address.

-> Ergo: No free Wifi-Hotspots...

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No. There IS no 4G in Europe really, and that's their problem, not Apple's.

thats simply not true for germany + austria - read my first post

and Apple has to remove the LTE "support" from there german website bec its just not true

 

[craznar]

No. There IS no 4G in Europe really, and that's their problem, not Apple's.

Well, in most countries it would be Apple's problem, consumer protection does protect against advertising additions which are actually useless.

 

[Ballis]

New iPad doesn't support 4G on Telstra Australia (largest mobile network).

However - it does support 42Mbps DC-HSDPA on Telstra though (which the iPad 2 does not).

That's still a big jump from 7.2Mbps.

Thats right. The new iPad will have blazing 3G speeds so I dunno what the big deal is.

 

[teena77]

Thats right. The new iPad will have blazing 3G speeds so I dunno what the big deal is.

Bec LTE availibilty at least in germany does not mean UMTS/HSDPA is also available - read my first post

 

[babyj]

No. There IS no 4G in Europe really, and that's their problem, not Apple's.

Well, in most countries it would be Apple's problem, consumer protection does protect against advertising additions which are actually useless.

Indeed - this will very much become Apple's problem when 4G networks start going live in the UK which could be as early as later this year.

The Apple UK website reads pretty clearly that the iPad supports 4G, with no caveats or exclusions - just get a 4G data plan and you'll get 4G. When people find out that it won't actually work on the UK networks they will not be happy.

 

[Mr. Retrofire]

4G LTE compatibility is one of the main selling points of the new iPad, but it won't work in most of the world. That leaves me puzzled... Anyone wants to explain to me why Apple is doing this?

The energy efficient Qualcomm chips which support all LTE bands are available later this year (Q4). No hardware == no support.

Btw, where is Apple here?
“Qualcomm’s Gobi platform has proven to be a compelling wireless solution for embedded mobile broadband connectivity, adding to the performance, security and reliability of our ThinkPad laptops,” said Dilip Bhatia, vice president and general manager, ThinkPad, Lenovo. “We look forward to giving our customers an even faster mobile Internet experience with Gobi 4G LTE technology.”
from
http://www.qualcomm.eu/news/release...ation-embedded-data-connectivity-reference-pl

 

[sapporobaby]

Is there a chip which supports all spectra? I don't want to see a fragment new iPhone this year.

We'll run out right away and make sure you don't see a fragmented iPhone this year. Your opinion is that important...

 

[clibinarius]

Huh? Isn't that the opposite of what the article is saying? It appears the Verizon version only supports one band.

Verizon supports one band of LTE versus two of AT&T, but the AT&T ones seem proprietary and you can roam on the Verizon one in CDMA countries, like ones in the Middle East. AT&T does not. In my opinion, Verizon's a slightly better value for that reason-not the service, chipset.

 

[Diode]

The 9600 should support the following:

LTE 700(B13) MHz UMTS/HSPA+ 850/900/1900/2100 MHz CDMA 1x/EV-DO Rev A 800/1900 MHz GSM/GPRS/EDGE 850/900/1800/1900 MHz

But I think the AT&T version has LTE in AWS as well.

 

[rjohnstone]

If the AT&T and Verizon models both use LTE over the 700 MHz band, then why does there need to be two different versions?

I thought one of the biggest advantages of LTE is that we wouldn't have to worry about the GSM/CDMA separation in the US anymore.

The "700 Mhz band" is actually broken into two pieces. Well four if you want to break it down by uplink and downlink.
There isn't enough available spectrum in any one frequency range for every carrier in the world to standardize upon.

LTE is broken up into 25 different bands to accommodate all the carriers.

Verizon uses only LTE Band 13 (Uplink 777Mhz - 787Mhz)(Downlink 746Mhz - 756Mhz)

AT&T uses LTE Band 4 (AWS) (Uplink 1710Mhz - 1755Mhz Downlink 2110Mhz - 2155Mhz ) and LTE Band 17 (Uplink 704Mhz - 716Mhz) (Downlink 734Mhz - 746Mhz )


Reference: http://www.radio-electronics.com/in...ong-term-evolution/lte-frequency-spectrum.php

 

[jonnyb]

No. There IS no 4G in Europe really, and that's their problem, not Apple's.

Wrong. There is 4G in Europe in some places. And the '4G' iPad will not work on those networks. And it won't work on those same networks being rolled out across Europe later in the year.

It should not be called iPad with wifi + 4G here.

 

[John.B]

The energy efficient Qualcomm chips which support all LTE bands are available later this year (Q4). No hardware == no support.

I must've missed it in the article. When was this shipping? Next year? All I saw was that it "will begin sampling in Q4 2012".

So doesn't it stand to reason that Apple would put this in next year's iPad?

Btw, where is Apple here?

Since when did Apple pre-announce anything?

 

[profets]

If the AT&T and Verizon models both use LTE over the 700 MHz band, then why does there need to be two different versions?

I thought one of the biggest advantages of LTE is that we wouldn't have to worry about the GSM/CDMA separation in the US anymore.

the VZ version still needs to fall back to CDMA

I was going to reply but rjohnstone explained it perfectly:

The "700 Mhz band" is actually broken into two pieces. Well four if you want to break it down by uplink and downlink.
There isn't enough available spectrum in any one frequency range for every carrier in the world to standardize upon.

LTE is broken up into 25 different bands to accommodate all the carriers.

Verizon uses only LTE Band 13 (Uplink 777Mhz - 787Mhz)(Downlink 746Mhz - 756Mhz)

AT&T uses LTE Band 4 (AWS) (Uplink 1710Mhz - 1755Mhz Downlink 2110Mhz - 2155Mhz ) and LTE Band 17 (Uplink 704Mhz - 716Mhz) (Downlink 734Mhz - 746Mhz )


Reference: http://www.radio-electronics.com/in...ong-term-evolution/lte-frequency-spectrum.php

Incredibly there's 4 different 700 bands. I hope these chipsets improve to encompass multiple LTE bands for the next iPhone. Should be interesting to see what qualcomm has available over the next 6 months.

 

[Nejmann]

http://tdc.com/publish.php?id=30258

Does this means it will work in Denmark? (europe)

 

[SignalCorps]

Does the Verizon model support 3G in Europe?

From looking at the tech specs, it seems that the Verizon model can do everything the AT&T can except for AT&T 4G.

If you have the Verizon model and an AT&T micro-sim card, could you use it to connect to AT&T's 3G network?

If you have the Verizon model and a Vodafone, 3, or Orange micro-sim card, can you use it to connect to 3G in England and Scotland???

 

[profets]

If you have the Verizon model and a Vodafone, 3, or Orange micro-sim card, can you use it to connect to 3G in England and Scotland???

Yes. Besides LTE & CDMA, both models have identical gsm/edge/3g/hspa capability.

 

[esanker]

What about using it in Japan or Taiwan? Is it compatible in asia? I travel to both countries alot.

Good luck with that.

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Next year's iPad will reduce the size of the battery to make room for all the antennas.

Hahaha.

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Probably because the Verizon version needs CDMA, while the AT&T/International version does not.

Come to think of it, this is also probably why the AT&T models are in shorter supply than the Verizon models. It isn't necessarily that so many people in the US are choosing AT&T vs. Verizon, it is that everyone outside the US who is ordering one is drawing from the same pool as AT&T.

Nice deduction mate.

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If the AT&T and Verizon models both use LTE over the 700 MHz band, then why does there need to be two different versions?

I thought one of the biggest advantages of LTE is that we wouldn't have to worry about the GSM/CDMA separation in the US anymore.

I think the reason for the different models is that in Verizon's case, it is still using CDMA2000. If you go to an area without LTE coverage, it fallbacks to CDMA2000. The same can be said with ATT, it fallbacks to UMTS.

 

[Schtumple]

This seems like a mindbogglingly huge over sight... How could that go unnoticed?? Was the device not even remotely tested in Europe?? Very poor show.

 

[applesith]

Bah, if only Apple weren't an American company.... I'm sure yesterday they heard for the first time that the rest of the world uses different bands.

bah if only europe wasn't so far behind.

 

[profets]

This seems like a mindbogglingly huge over sight... How could that go unnoticed?? Was the device not even remotely tested in Europe?? Very poor show.

Over sight? Did I miss something? Did Apple announce LTE compatibility for europe?

 

[bushido]

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Bah, if only Apple weren't an American company.... I'm sure yesterday they heard for the first time that the rest of the world uses different bands.

bah if only europe wasn't so far behind.

far behind? yeah right, our broadband, cable and phone infrastructur is far superior than what u can get in the us. "dropped calls?" what is that?

 

[Schtumple]

"dropped calls?" what is that?

Was just about going to chime in with that.

Over sight? Did I miss something? Did Apple announce LTE compatibility for europe?

No, what I mean is, it's mind boggling that Apple, an international seller, has limited it's 4G bands to America only, despite displaying it as a feature on the iPad in Europe, it is like literally saying "Buy the new iPad, it's got 4G, (but not in your country)" it's a stupid issue that shouldn't have been allowed to happen at best, and at worst it's false advertising (to those who don't know it won't work).

Unrelated note: Has anyone noticed the INSANE amount of photoshopping used on the iPad "photos" involving the hands, to the point of masking in the "light" coming off the display, I mean really??? That's a bit needless.

 

[Saladinos]

Over sight? Did I miss something? Did Apple announce LTE compatibility for europe?

Have you even been to their european websites? Like the UK website for instance?

If you know what the situation is and understand things like frequency bands, it's technically accurate. However, from the perspective of an average user, it certainly leaves the impression that it supports LTE in the UK.

The fact is that it does not support experimental LTE networks in the UK, and is not compatible with any planned LTE network in this country. If a carrier accelerated their plans for LTE, people would reasonably expect their iPads to be compatible given Apple's advertising.

 

[Mr Fusion]

International 4G iPad Models Will Work on AT&T, Not on LTE in Home Countries

Thanks, I'll save my $129 and put it towards the next next iPad that'll support LTE outside the reality distortion field.