No need to be so mean. I dropped a call once and it was very annoying. I can only imagine what it would be like if it happened more than once or twice a decade.
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International 4G iPad Models Will Work on AT&T, Not on LTE in Home Countries
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No need to be so mean. I dropped a call once and it was very annoying. I can only imagine what it would be like if it happened more than once or twice a decade.
Ahh, I see what you guys are saying. Haven't seen how they're advertising on the EU sites but that's obviously stupid if they're pushing 4G/LTE as a feature when it won't work there.
From the technical standpoint, the sad thing is for the volume they need these chips in they really don't have much choice. And it looks like the next chips qualcomm will have to help aggregate multiple LTE bands for a real global LTE device wont be ready until late 2012, not in time for the next iPhone if it's a fall release again.
First of all, most EU countries haven't rolled out LTE yet, so it doesn't yet make sense to add the bands. Second, DC-HSDPA does qualify as 4G per the ITU standards, so they aren't lying, and it is about as fast or even faster than LTE is right now on Verizon and AT&T. They didn't say it supports LTE in every country (just the US and Canada right now), but it does technically support 4G.
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Here's what the UK website says:
DC-HSDPA is "ultra-fast wireless" by 2012 standards, and it is faster than what is supported on the iPad 2 or iPhone 4S. They aren't claiming it supports LTE in the UK.
Oh, and before someone complains about why it is £399 ($645) vs $499 in the US, part of it is that there is 20% VAT in the UK, so if you factor that in, the price differential is only about $38.
No LTE (4G networks)? Are you sure?
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Yeah that's right, I am totally ok with that. Actually 42Mbps is faster than many real world speeds tested in the US on 4G any way. Even the HSPA+ at 21Mbps is very comparable to real world tests of 4G in US.
What does confuse me though is that Telstra do not refer to HSPA+ or DC-HSDPA as 4G, but loosely termed as 3.5G, so for Apple Australia to sell & advertise iPad 3 as 4G strikes me as a little odd and leaving them selves open to complaints. It's all good for me. I look forward to DC-HSDPA & HSPA+. (not the forum I know but 128GB would have been superb, I will fit less on my 64GB iPad 3 than I can on my 64GB iPad 2 Grrrr)
Yup, Apple website states
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So as you can see the UK website clearly states 4G network. As others have pointed out we have 3G networks here, with 4G being tested in certain areas
However they don't actually state LTE, just 4G, so it's going to be another repeat of the fiasco that is SIRI .. we get short changed again
WIFI only iPad for me
Is called assuming rather than a reasonable expectation, u never assume anything of a product. If the tech specs weren't right there in front of you or they were misleading, then it would be another issue. Same could be said about 3g compatibility with T-mobile in the US for both the iPad and iPhone. Yet for some reason this haven't been an issue, besides people wanting for new versions to include the frequencies. I know this is difficult for a lot of people but, READ before you buy.
It seems pretty ridiculous that they don't have to specifically say (on the Australian iPad page for example) that it won't work on 4G networks in Australia. All they do i make more reference to its ability to work on 'fast networks the world over' but they still have images with "4G" written all over them.
I wonder when people purchase them indoors if sales assistants will make any effort to tell purchasers it won't work on Telstra's 4G network. Or Optus' network when it is up and running.
Yes, in the fine print they say: "4G coverage is not available in all areas and varies by carrier. See your carrier for details." However realistically, 4G coverage that the iPad can access is not available in Australia at all.
I wonder when people purchase them indoors if sales assistants will make any effort to tell purchasers it won't work on Telstra's 4G network. Or Optus' network when it is up and running.
Yes, in the fine print they say: "4G coverage is not available in all areas and varies by carrier. See your carrier for details." However realistically, 4G coverage that the iPad can access is not available in Australia at all.
Given that the frequencies aren't fully released (former Analogue TV) and auctioned off to the mobile networks in the UK yet. The government has postponed this until 2013. Other than a few licensed trials - It is 18-24 months before significant 4G roll out in the UK FACT.
As for the advertising in the UK it remains this machine does have 4G capabilities. Its similar to ALL those HD ready tellies sold that actually aren't
What's all the fuss about?
This is what we'll get in the UK... not bad for 3G
http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/44819/new-ipad-how-fast-uk
This is what we'll get in the UK... not bad for 3G
http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/44819/new-ipad-how-fast-uk
It doesn't support the LTE in my country but at least it has DC HSDPA wich we also have so it's not bad at all
So because you "only" get 42MBps HSPA+ and not LTE (which averages about the same speeds here in the US), you are getting shortchanged and are going to forgo wireless completely?
So because you "only" get 42MBps HSPA+ and not LTE (which averages about the same speeds here in the US), you are getting shortchanged and are going to forgo wireless completely?
Not only that, but those who ordered and then cancelled or changed, didn't you even spend 2 minutes to research before assuming it had LTE working in your country?
Question
When I took my iPad 1 to Italy in 2010 I bought AT&T's international coverage and it worked beautifully. When I ordered an iPad 3 on Wednesday, and had to choose a carrier, I paused. My iPhone is Verizon, I can see their tower out my window. However, I want to be able to purchase international coverage when overseas. I took a chance and went with the Verizon. Now, having read this article, I haven't a clue. Am I going to be able to purchase international coverage when traveling overseas?
As an aside, my original iPad 1 is with my daughter in the Peace Corps in Kenya. We put a Safaricom micro-SIM in it and it works great.
When I took my iPad 1 to Italy in 2010 I bought AT&T's international coverage and it worked beautifully. When I ordered an iPad 3 on Wednesday, and had to choose a carrier, I paused. My iPhone is Verizon, I can see their tower out my window. However, I want to be able to purchase international coverage when overseas. I took a chance and went with the Verizon. Now, having read this article, I haven't a clue. Am I going to be able to purchase international coverage when traveling overseas?
As an aside, my original iPad 1 is with my daughter in the Peace Corps in Kenya. We put a Safaricom micro-SIM in it and it works great.
Unfortunately, Apple have blown that defense...
From the UK Apple website - http://www.apple.com/uk/ipad/4g/:
The new iPad supports fast mobile networks around the world.* On a 4G network, you can download content, stream video and browse the web at amazing speeds. And if youre in a location without a 4G network, youll still get access to fast 3G networks including HSPA, HSPA+ and DC-HSDPA.
* 4G coverage is not available in all areas and varies by carrier. See your carrier for details.
...so Apple don't classify DC-HSDPA as 4G, and while they've put in a "4G not available in all areas" disclaimer, that's not the same as "not compatible with 4G in your area even when it is available". Wrist-slap for Apple en. route. from the Advertising Standards Agency, I suspect...
Yep, both AT&T and Verizon versions support GSM worldwide. Just pop in a local MicroSIM. Maybe Verizon will provide global service you like, too, if you ask before you go.
http://www.apple.com/ipad/specs/
Well, they call HSPA+ "4G" here in the US and they even updated the network indicator in 5.1 to note that. Plus, since there aren't any active 4G networks in the UK (experimental networks don't really count), they likely will be OK as far as false advertising claims.
Still, I stand by my point that it's disappointing Apple didn't accommodate for the bands being implemented and then have one killer device for every market, it just seems like little mistakes were made along the way during pre-production that then snowballed.
This isn't one of those Apple's dead without Jobs posts, it just seems like a huge oversight is all that I'm surprised to see.
Never mind.
well... being that not even one of you bothered to respond to my question (page #2 post #29), I will answer my own question and "pay it forward" for those that might have the same question.
I have since contacted AT&T and if you go to their website for the iPad, (https://dcp2.att.com/OEPNDClient/ ) and log-in with your AT&T iPad account info, you can change the specific IMEI and ICCID information from your iPad2 over to the IMEI and ICCID information of your iPad3 and you are good to go. Your billing or data plan stays the same but activates your new iPad3 with your existing data plan.
well... being that not even one of you bothered to respond to my question (page #2 post #29), I will answer my own question and "pay it forward" for those that might have the same question.
I have since contacted AT&T and if you go to their website for the iPad, (https://dcp2.att.com/OEPNDClient/ ) and log-in with your AT&T iPad account info, you can change the specific IMEI and ICCID information from your iPad2 over to the IMEI and ICCID information of your iPad3 and you are good to go. Your billing or data plan stays the same but activates your new iPad3 with your existing data plan.
4G in Denmark and Sweden since 2010
People here talk about NO 4G in Europe
What a load of crap... Since 2010 we have had it in small scale in Denmark and Sweden and today on full coverage...
Get your facts before writing here ok
People here talk about NO 4G in Europe
What a load of crap... Since 2010 we have had it in small scale in Denmark and Sweden and today on full coverage...
Get your facts before writing here ok
Why can't these stupid telecommunication companies talk to each other and have a standard frequency for LTE. This was the perfect time for all these companies in different countries to agree on a standard, instead they created the same mess like on the 2G and 3G, everybody has a different frequency.
Perhaps because the frequencies they use depend on the spectrum they own.
Frequency proliferation has gotten a lot worse with each generation. Is it realistic to have them support:
- 4 GSM/EDGE bands
- 4 UMTS bands
- 2 North American American LTE bands
AND 3 European LTE bands? I don't believe there is a single chipset yet that supports all those bands (for the VZW models they swap out one of the LTE bands for 2 CDMA bands).
They eventually will support the 3 European LTE bands (some of which are also used in Asia and Australia), but don't be surprised if it has limited support for the North American bands, or drops EDGE.
Given that, apart from Japan, Scandinavia, and Australia, LTE rollouts are largely in their infancy, I can understand why they stuck with North America for now. First, our 3G networks are overloaded, so we need it more (the carriers are pushing it heavily to expand their capacity). Second, it is their home market.