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Inventor of webOS Banner Notification System Returns to Apple

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I enjoy reading these forums (fora?) to get a discussion of good and bad points on various topics.

Some of the comments here are not intended to promote this type of discussion. If you reply to them, they get their psychological hit and we get what? Nothing.
 
Steve: And today... we're announcing iPhone 5.

[cheer cheer cheer applause cheer faint]

Steve: Now that you've seen it, let's take a look of some of the sexy features of iOS 5. We'll be looking at 8 features today. But I'd like to start off with the most important...

[giant 1 on screen]

Sexy Notifications

[oooohhhh ahhhh! YEA OMFG NOTIFICATIONS FTW]

Steve: I'm glad you all like it! We weren't the first to have a robust notification system.... but doggone it we're gonna be the best!

[WIN!]

Steve: ... yes. It is Win. Now moving on to our second feature.... Sexy Lock Screen Information Centre!

[omgomgomgomgomgomgomgomgomgwin]

Steve: We've loaded it up with access to our own apps, like Mail, Calendar, even Weather. But... it doesn't end there....

[OMG He's gonna say that developers can use it YESYESYEYSYES]

Steve: We're adding a new multitasking API that works with this new Sexy Lock Screen Information Centre API so that developers can push information to the lock screen. Users just need to add the app under Settings. Boom.

[crowd explodes]

Steve: Now we weren't the first ones with info on the lock screen, but doggone it we'll be the sexiest! No porn please. Thanks for coming!
 
addicted44 said:
And you are right. But the fact that it is a more basic need, also means that it involves a LOT more work.

It has to integrate well into everything that Apple does with the iPhone, including, critically, 3rd party development. Which means it needs to be a robust API right from the beginning.

This is very similar to copy/paste. Copy/Paste was very basic, but not easy to implement.

The people developing Apple's application features (like video zoom, etc.) are very different from those implementing underlying API's. And its quite probable that a new notification system would fall in the latter camp.
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The scary thing is that Apple holds a patent on a message notification queuing system. It's one of the patents it's suing Nokia for using.

Apple doesn't use it itself.

They also don't use this patent...

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/cell-phon...-screen-patent-is-this-really-that-unique/122
 
RoboCop001 said:
Steve: And today... we're announcing iPhone 5.

[cheer cheer cheer applause cheer faint]

Steve: Now that you've seen it, let's take a look of some of the sexy features of iOS 5. We'll be looking at 8 features today. But I'd like to start off with the most important...

[giant 1 on screen]

Sexy Notifications

[oooohhhh ahhhh! YEA OMFG NOTIFICATIONS FTW]

Steve: I'm glad you all like it! We weren't the first to have a robust notification system.... but doggone it we're gonna be the best!

[WIN!]

Steve: ... yes. It is Win. Now moving on to our second feature.... Sexy Lock Screen Information Centre!

[omgomgomgomgomgomgomgomgomgwin]

Steve: We've loaded it up with access to our own apps, like Mail, Calendar, even Weather. But... it doesn't end there....

[OMG He's gonna say that developers can use it YESYESYEYSYES]

Steve: We're adding a new multitasking API that works with this new Sexy Lock Screen Information Centre API so that developers can push information to the lock screen. Users just need to add the app under Settings. Boom.

[crowd explodes]

Steve: Now we weren't the first ones with info on the lock screen, but doggone it we'll be the sexiest! No porn please. Thanks for coming!
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This on the iPhone and the iPhone on Sprint or Verizon network and I am there.

p.s. I wouldn't mind a bigger screen to, about 4.3" would be perfect ... once you go EVO it's hard to go back to anything less.
 
Why does the hiring of one guy makes everybody think Apple is suddenly going to work on the notification system? And not just that, why does everybody think he'll be directly responsible for the PNS? Get real, Apple wasn't waiting standstill for this guy and he's just as likely to work on something else unrelated to PNS.
 
While this is encouraging news, I wouldn't expect a revamp until iOS5. iOS4 is pretty comprehensive in what it can do, so iOS5 would be less about new capabilities and more about refinement.
 
That's right come on back home, prodigal son lol. No idea why ya left but come on back. :D
 
With iOS4, the OS only has one severe limitation left I believe, and that's the horrid notifications system. Horrid doesn't even describe it adequately. It's frankly shocking that Apple, with it's talent in the GUI department, would design the iOS's notification system.

Just to be clear, the notification system on the OS is completely separate from the push notification system, which is perfectly fine.

I'm aware that just one person probably won't make a tremendous difference, I'm hoping this will signify that Apple is making the overhaul of the notification system in iOS a major step in it's future development.
 
skyehill said:
...and a swappable battery.
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You'd still like to carry around extra batteries rather then have 40% more battery life inside the phone? Thank god you aren't working for Apple with that ancient paradygm stuck in your head.
 
Swappable battery concerns are easily addressable by the plethora of mobile chargers and juice jackets that are on the market.
 
DaveGee said:
For the life of me I can't imagine WHY someone would leave such a wonderful, technologically innovative institution responsible for such 21st century wonders as disposable inkjet printers & DMCA protected ink cartridges?
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HP is currently leading the industry in laying off thousands and thousands of employees.
 
SandynJosh said:
You'd still like to carry around extra batteries rather then have 40% more battery life inside the phone? Thank god you aren't working for Apple with that ancient paradygm stuck in your head.
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The sad truth is that Apple isn't pulling much more life out of the built in battery than one that's user replaceable. Maybe on the laptops but not much on the cells, especially if the network they are on has your handset in a state of constant roam.

I'd like to see better battery tech across the board. Many rely to much on their phones to stay connected and do work to have the battery dying before the day is out.
 
spydr said:
Welcome back Rich! Apple missed you!
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This is the start of a brain drain at Palm after the HP acquisition. There is a Palm hosted side party next to WWDC this evening. Be very interesting to see who is where post-HP merger.
 
Alisstar said:
You'll probably find another reason to not get the iPhone even then.
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Agreed. Waiters will find themselves waiting and waiting and so forth with the progress of tech and the stiff competition.

I am sure many on Sprint were waiting for the 3GS until the Hero came, and many waiting for iPhone 4 found themselves picking the EVO.
 
muskratboy said:
"invented" is a very strong term for putting the notifications down at the bottom in a little box, you know?

this is great for apple, better interface, etc... and i haven't used webos too much...

but is putting the notification down at the bottom really that groundbreaking? i mean.... it's probably at the top or the bottom (unless it's goofy like apple's)... so i'm just not seeing the innovation...
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I have to agree with you. In fact; It was a Microsoft invention, taken by other browser vendors who made it (notifications) fly. Rich must have noticed it, like everyone else, and he ported it to WebOS. Great idea, but not one of his inventions; I call prior art.
 
I'd like nicer notifications too.. As long as they aren't too intrusive.

I'd hate a bigger screen though, not everyone has giant hands.. Its important that as wide a range of people can easily use it one handed comfortably as possible.

- Written on my iPhone one-handed. :)
 
muskratboy said:
"invented" is a very strong term for putting the notifications down at the bottom in a little box, you know?

this is great for apple, better interface, etc... and i haven't used webos too much...

but is putting the notification down at the bottom really that groundbreaking? i mean.... it's probably at the top or the bottom (unless it's goofy like apple's)... so i'm just not seeing the innovation.

eh, what do i know.



you don't think we got a bigger screen? 4X the rez, and you don't think that's bigger? you are a nut.

swappable battery? still with that? i also want the iphone to run windows, because that has the same odds of happening.

and the always popular turn by turn... do that many people really have no idea where they are going? there is that much driving in strange cities going on? i gotta get out more.

and yes, iAds. a slick system to get me PAID. um, yeah... i'll take that over any of those useless little upgrades you want.

hey, i'm sure you were clamoring for that oh-so-useful camera flash too... so aren't you happy?
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nice attitude there muscrat...pls tell us what apps you've written so that I can be certain NOT to install any of them so that you don't get paid off my time. and if you've seen the notifications on webOS in action, you might actually learn that there's a lot more to it than just being on the top or bottom.
 
Becordial said:
Looking at the graphic in this article has me a bit surprised. I do not want thumbs up and thumbs down crap on my phone.

Please do not make my iPhone into a toy that blackberry owners will laugh at again.
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thats just pandoras notifications...holy crap some people
 
MikhailT said:
Why does the hiring of one guy makes everybody think Apple is suddenly going to work on the notification system? And not just that, why does everybody think he'll be directly responsible for the PNS? Get real, Apple wasn't waiting standstill for this guy and he's just as likely to work on something else unrelated to PNS.
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Agreed...there is NOTHING, absolutely NOTHING, indicated in the hiring of this guy that notifications will be changed. We're all jumping the gun. For all we know he may be working on a better way for software and hardware to interact - which is also part of his resume. Or maybe he'll go back to work on the online support web site, that's also in his resume. For all we know, he pitched this approach to Jobs way back when, and Jobs shot it down.
 
mdriftmeyer said:
The guy didn't write the code for notifications. He designed the interface. The infrastructure for the push notifications is part of another team's ownership.
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That's what matters. Apple's code for notifications is fine. It needs a good interface.
 
I think this story is less interesting about whether or not Apple is working on a new notification system, and more to do what all of these departures have on the future of WebOS with HP. Couple this with Android's acquisition of Duarte, and it doesn't look great for HP/WebOS.

It's gotta be in the conventional wisdom that Apple is working on notifications, right?
 
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