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Perhaps you should do some research before regurgitating things you've heard..

Bear in mind this phone will be five years old this year. The fact that it's still receiving updates is one thing, and the fact that these updates are actually speeding up the device makes it even more remarkable.


Are you referring to just the latest update ? Cause historically speaking, from experience the last update available on a device is a maior performance step backwards to the OS that shipped with the device. If it was not plannned obselenece , why can not install an older IOS like I can on a mac?
 
Thanks . This is helpful .

Sadly the average punter will never know about this workaround.
At the same time the vast majority of those "average punters" generally don't think or care much about things like that and just update when an update is offered and continue not thinking or caring much about it all one way or another.
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Are you referring to just the latest update ? Cause historically speaking, from experience the last update available on a device is a maior performance step backwards to the OS that shipped with the device. If it was not plannned obselenece , why can not install an older IOS like I can on a mac?
While I would love the ability to install any version that a device could support, I don't think that simply not having that ability directly implies and confirms something like planned obsolescence--it can certainly fit in with it, and it can perhaps be somewhere in the reasoning, but by itself it doesn't mean that it actually is or confirms it.
 
At the same time the vast majority of those "average punters" generally don't think or care much about things like that and just update when an update is offered and continue not thinking or caring much about it all one way or another.

Though the point here , after apple started its spam campaign/functionality to upgrade, gloating over % upgrades is becoming pointless. More concerning is that 24% even after being spammed daily still refuse to upgrade! That is a much more worrying stat.

I'm sorry to just spam, and downloading the update is the same crap Microsoft pulled. Now apple is copying them.
 
Though the point here , after apple started its spam campaign/functionality to upgrade, gloating over % upgrades is becoming pointless. More concerning is that 24% even after being spammed daily still refuse to upgrade! That is a much more worrying stat.

I'm sorry to just spam, and downloading the update is the same crap Microsoft pulled. Now apple is copying them.
Well, the numbers are mainly there for developers to give them a better idea of what to support and basically having more people on the same latest and greatest is beneficial from that point of view.

As far as those who haven't updated, some part of it could be from more devices being out there that don't support iOS 10.
 
At the same time the vast majority of those "average punters" generally don't think or care much about things like that and just update when an update is offered and continue not thinking or caring much about it all one way or another.
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While I would love the ability to install any version that a device could support, I don't think that simply not having that ability directly implies and confirms something like planned obsolescence--it can certainly fit in with it, and it can perhaps be somewhere in the reasoning, but by itself it doesn't mean that it actually is or confirms it.

It can never be confirmed, not a smart marketing move ;) . Though if we wanted confirmations we would be in a rumours site in my opinion. Let's agree to disagree on this one .
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Well, the numbers are mainly there for developers to give them a better idea of what to support and basically having more people on the same latest and greatest is beneficial from that point of view.

As far as those who haven't updated, some part of it could be from more devices being out there that don't support iOS 10.

The graph is actually very vague, and serves its purpose. All new devices ship with iOS 10, and yes the % goes up over Xmas due to higher sales.

For an interesting debate it would be good to know what percentage of users have upgraded to iOS 10 excluding devices that shipped with it installed . There is a difference between sales and adoption rate.

Though to be honest I really don't care what the % is, I'm just very disappointed of being spammed to upgrade daily.
 
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I haven't seen the shut off issues on my 6s, and I've let the battery drain pretty far down to 10%. I wonder if it's a combination of the chip and battery. I think I have the tmsc chip. Also my 6s has a serial number in the recall range.

I had it a few times (6s phone shutting down at 25-30%, then recalibrated the 100% to 0% gauge by doing a few cycle full charge-discharges and have not had this issue in the last 2 months).

Had a similar bug on the 3GS in the past and again calibration worked wonder.

But, currently my 3GS battery that I replaced is a third party crap battery (I didn't think it would be crap obviously ;-) and it fails at 30% no matter what calibration I try to do (likely that battery is plain bad).

So, for some it is a software issue, while for others it is a battery issue. It can even be both, with the battery misreporting charge, holding a undetermined charge or not charging properly compounding a software bug that means the OS loses track of what charge the battery holds.
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I'm still running iOS 9 on my iPad Pro and will likely keep it that way (I just delete the update). I've no issues with iOS 10's performance on the 6S Plus, but my battery life and standby times have taken considerable hits since upgrading. Great battery life is one of the things I love about iOS.. or at least I did before iOS 10.

Try doing a few full (100% and using it until it shuts down then recharge to 100% before using again) cycles to see if it improves things.
 
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Yeah how awful to get support and free updates and new features for 4 year old phones. Please be greather than us and use cyanogen

Perhaps you should do some research before regurgitating things you've heard..

Bear in mind this phone will be five years old this year. The fact that it's still receiving updates is one thing, and the fact that these updates are actually speeding up the device makes it even more remarkable.


Just a tvOS profile from Apple, same as what people use for the public beta program (as that's where it comes from). Safe as it's basically been in use by many that do public betas for a while now since Apple introduced them to the public.

Essentially simply changes what updates from Apple can be pushed to the device and nothing else, and can be easily removed if/when needed without affecting anything else.
[doublepost=1483685825][/doublepost]All that has already been brought up and addressed earlier in the thread.

I alreadyd did my reserach.You are showing me a comparison between the worst iOS release ever (iOS 9) versus the quick patch up version (iOS 10).Here is concrete proof of planned obsolescence.iOS 8.4.1 blows the doors of both your iOS 9.3.5 and iOS 10.2 .Just look at it go.And this is not just on iPhone 5.Its present even on the 5s and 6


This 4 year old phone just got crippled by their so called "updates".If iOS 8.4.1 is this much faster than iOS 10 just imagine how slow the phones are on iOS 9
 
I alreadyd did my reserach.You are showing me a comparison between the worst iOS release ever (iOS 9) versus the quick patch up version (iOS 10).Here is concrete proof of planned obsolescence.iOS 8.4.1 blows the doors of both your iOS 9.3.5 and iOS 10.2 .Just look at it go.And this is not just on iPhone 5.Its present even on the 5s and 6


This 4 year old phone just got crippled by their so called "updates".If iOS 8.4.1 is this much faster than iOS 10 just imagine how slow the phones are on iOS 9
And 7.1.2 is even better, and 6.1.6 is way better. Yet it still doesn't prove what you are employing. It can fit in with it, but it doesn't prove it, nor does it demonstrate that that's specifically what's behind it and for those specific reasons. But we've already been down this same well traveled path many times across many threads already.
 
I believe those alerts can be disabled through iCloud.
Do you mean the website? I couldn't find anything... :(

I sometimes wait to update for a few days because iOS is close to unmaintainable (by design) and a flanky update in the middle of uni and me using some needed apps for uni could make my life unnecessarily hard. So sometimes I need to wait for a little while before I do update and those alerts are annoying as all hell!

Glassed Silver:ios
 
Do you mean the website? I couldn't find anything... :(

I sometimes wait to update for a few days because iOS is close to unmaintainable (by design) and a flanky update in the middle of uni and me using some needed apps for uni could make my life unnecessarily hard. So sometimes I need to wait for a little while before I do update and those alerts are annoying as all hell!

Glassed Silver:ios

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/ios-update.2023604/#post-24111246
 
that's because they force it down our throats. my GF installed it accidentally. she tried to postpone it but the phone spazzed and the wrong thing on the screen was clicked, 1 inch away from where she actually pressed.

i hate iOS 10. as much as the lack of headphone jack pissed me off, it was iOS 10 that made me return my iPhone 7. if i had not spent hundreds of dollars on iOS apps already, i would have switched to android. but i'm pretty close to just doing it anyway.

apple maps - decent but not great - waze is better for many of us
mail- dear god - this is absolute garbage. largely ignored by apple. gmail awesome
calendar - again garbage - apple did you forget about updating this ? google calendar is sweet

you're clicking it wrong!!!

when are we going to get the ability to default our email , maps, message, and calendar to other apps?

when people stop buying this garbage.
 
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I alreadyd did my reserach.You are showing me a comparison between the worst iOS release ever (iOS 9) versus the quick patch up version (iOS 10).Here is concrete proof of planned obsolescence.iOS 8.4.1 blows the doors of both your iOS 9.3.5 and iOS 10.2 .Just look at it go.And this is not just on iPhone 5.Its present even on the 5s and 6


This 4 year old phone just got crippled by their so called "updates".If iOS 8.4.1 is this much faster than iOS 10 just imagine how slow the phones are on iOS 9

"Crippled" - lol, seriously? The 4S was bad sure, and OK the 5 was bad on 9, but the 5 on iOS 10 is far from "crippled" and the 5S/6 even less so.

Obsolescence is inevitable with all walks of tech, especially computing devices. One option is to not update it, but then you receive no new features and very likely have unpatched security holes in your system. Apps that use new APIs will also cease to function.

If you update you receive new features, security patches and the latest up to date apps, the downside being is it slows down a little over time - but that's a normal thing.

I really don't know what you want, if updates stopped after 2 years you'd be moaning about abandonment and things just stopping working completely.

Please let me know if you ever manage to find any computing device made by anyone that maintains speed, security and latest features for over 5 years.
 
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0.4% of Android devices are on Nougat (released 1 month before iOS 10)...just thought I would share that.

Yeah. And the majority of Windows PCs are still on Windows 7. And it doesn't matter at all for their users because those older OS versions can run all current applications. And guess what - unlike IOS, the older versions of other platforms even receive security updates. Samsung regularly updates the Android version of my Note 4. And truth be told, I've grown tired of OS updates that only make things slower, less stable and are only there to lock me even more into the NSA cloud. And I definitely don't need any more emojis - I speak three human languages, thank you very much for trying to bring back prehistoric wall drawings.
 
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"Crippled" - lol, seriously? The 4S was bad sure, and OK the 5 was bad on 9, but the 5 on iOS 10 is far from "crippled" and the 5S/6 even less so.

Obsolescence is inevitable with all walks of tech, especially computing devices. One option is to not update it, but then you receive no new features and very likely have unpatched security holes in your system. Apps that use new APIs will also cease to function.

If you update you receive new features, security patches and the latest up to date apps, the downside being is it slows down a little over time - but that's a normal thing.

I really don't know what you want, if updates stopped after 2 years you'd be moaning about abandonment and things just stopping working completely.

Please let me know if you ever manage to find any computing device made by anyone that maintains speed, security and latest features for over 5 years.
I think that what we would like is the ability to *choose* which iOS version our phones run. Legacy hardware support is commendable, but locking users in to those updates is not.
 
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I alreadyd did my reserach.You are showing me a comparison between the worst iOS release ever (iOS 9) versus the quick patch up version (iOS 10).Here is concrete proof of planned obsolescence.iOS 8.4.1 blows the doors of both your iOS 9.3.5 and iOS 10.2 .Just look at it go.And this is not just on iPhone 5.Its present even on the 5s and 6

This 4 year old phone just got crippled by their so called "updates".If iOS 8.4.1 is this much faster than iOS 10 just imagine how slow the phones are on iOS 9
Not even looking st the videos as you said in the deep water test, no proof of anything. iOS 8 was the worst release of all, fast means nothing when not stable. But you may be right, iOS 8 might have been proof of planned obsolescence.o_O

My iPad 2, circa 2011 is running fine under 9.3.5.
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that's because they force it down our throats. my GF installed it accidentally. she tried to postpone it but the phone spazzed and the wrong thing on the screen was clicked, 1 inch away from where she actually pressed.

i hate iOS 10. as much as the lack of headphone jack pissed me off, it was iOS 10 that made me return my iPhone 7. if i had not spent hundreds of dollars on iOS apps already, i would have switched to android. but i'm pretty close to just doing it anyway.



you're clicking it wrong!!!



when people stop buying this garbage.
Not everybody feels as you, I like iOS 10. Best o/s to date, for me.
 
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I felt so appalled by iOS 10's flaws, I tried to keep it off my iPhone 6 for as long as I possibly could. But then I got a new iPhone 6S last November, it came with 10 preinstalled and iTunes would not validate the 9.3.5 ipsw file anymore. And so, I'm stuck with this lemon while Apple has one more device to round up its 76% metric :(
 
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Have you ever met a person who tried to resist? They tend to be angry with Apple with all the Upgrade Now alerts. Then they give in.
I didn't give in. I tried to soldier through all Apple's pesky nags and not update. (And for those of you wondering why. Apple forced a software developer to crippled some key functionality in their App that I was using because it competed with Apple's music app and I was holding onto the version before the crippling occurred, so I didn't want to update the OS). Then "for some mysterious reason" my phone crashed. Even though I had local backups (not iCloud) - I could not restore to the old OS! It forced me to restore using the newest OS. I later found out that it doesn't backup the OS, just your data. You have to restore to the new OS and the new Apps. That's how they got me to upgrade... smh
 
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"Crippled" - lol, seriously? The 4S was bad sure, and OK the 5 was bad on 9, but the 5 on iOS 10 is far from "crippled" and the 5S/6 even less so.
If a device takes 3 seconds just to open settings its unusable in my book.

Obsolescence is inevitable with all walks of tech, especially computing devices. One option is to not update it, but then you receive no new features and very likely have unpatched security holes in your system. Apps that use new APIs will also cease to function.
Another option is to allow us to downgrade anytime we want just like how it is on Google Pixel.Android does not need OS updates to recieve new APIs as its done via pplay services and not OS Updates so the device does not slow down.This is the reason why my Nexus 7 2012 remained fast till today while my iPad 2 from 2011 became garbage on iOS 9

If you update you receive new features, security patches and the latest up to date apps, the downside being is it slows down a little over time - but that's a normal thing.
And this "little" adds up to being an atrociously slow device after afew years.Are you telling me the iPhone 5 and iPad 2 cannot handle opening the keyboard and reading the keystrokes after I tap the screen?Because on my iPad it took 5 seconds just to catch up to input.My iPhone 6 has stutters in the mobile data screen,the app switcher and even scrolling iMessage all of which it used to do perfectly on iOS 8

I really don't know what you want, if updates stopped after 2 years you'd be moaning about abandonment and things just stopping working completely.
Solution=Offer downgrade option.I use it all on the time on Android.I use it all the time while updating my PC drivers.I

Please let me know if you ever manage to find any computing device made by anyone that maintains speed, security and latest features for over 5 years.
I cant because not even Apple provides to its users what you currently stated.Device does becomes slow over time and the older devices dont get all the new features provided by the latest OS.People bash Android for no updates but if they actually took the time to compare what older iOS devices get through OS updates and what the stock apps get through the PLay Store,there is ABSOLUTELY no difference between the two[/QUOTE]
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Not even looking st the videos as you said in the deep water test, no proof of anything. iOS 8 was the worst release of all, fast means nothing when not stable. But you may be right, iOS 8 might have been proof of planned obsolescence.o_O
This video is trustworthy because proof of planned obsolescence was ironically posted by an Apple channel
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that's because they force it down our throats. my GF installed it accidentally. she tried to postpone it but the phone spazzed and the wrong thing on the screen was clicked, 1 inch away from where she actually pressed.
This happens to my Mom Every.single.time. That red badge is the cause.It lures unsuspecting customers into contributing to Apple's marketing chart just so that Timmy can compare Android's chart to iOS in a completely false comparison and crack a pathetic joke which isnt even funny

Apple I DO NOT want to update my old device.Is that too much to ask?
 
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If a device takes 3 seconds just to open settings its unusable in my book.


Another option is to allow us to downgrade anytime we want just like how it is on Google Pixel.Android does not need OS updates to recieve new APIs as its done via pplay services and not OS Updates so the device does not slow down.This is the reason why my Nexus 7 2012 remained fast till today while my iPad 2 from 2011 became garbage on iOS 9


And this "little" adds up to being an atrociously slow device after afew years.Are you telling me the iPhone 5 and iPad 2 cannot handle opening the keyboard and reading the keystrokes after I tap the screen?Because on my iPad it took 5 seconds just to catch up to input.My iPhone 6 has stutters in the mobile data screen,the app switcher and even scrolling iMessage all of which it used to do perfectly on iOS 8


Solution=Offer downgrade option.I use it all on the time on Android.I use it all the time while updating my PC drivers.I


I cant because not even Apple provides to its users what you currently stated.Device does becomes slow over time and the older devices dont get all the new features provided by the latest OS.People bash Android for no updates but if they actually took the time to compare what older iOS devices get through OS updates and what the stock apps get through the PLay Store,there is ABSOLUTELY no difference between the two
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This video is trustworthy because proof of planned obsolescence was ironically posted by an fan youtube channel
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This happens to my Mom Every.single.time. That red badge is the cause.It lures unsuspecting customers into contributing to Apple's marketing chart just so that Timmy can compare Android's chart to iOS in a completely false comparison and crack a pathetic joke[/QUOTE][/doublepost]

One second, not three. Watch it again.

Yes it does things differently to Android but that has it's advantages and disadvantages in itself. And FFS man, the device is half a decade old. Do you really expect it to run like the day you bought it?

Also, no one is forced to update it. If you don't want to upgrade then you don't have to, it just means dismissing a few notifications here and there.

And finally, if it is running too slow - upgrade it. It costs about £30 to upgrade from 5 to 5S, and that'll do you for another year, or £130 to upgrade to an SE which will last you another 4 years.

My point is the whole planned obsolescence thing is moot. There are plenty of ways to work around it for free and by also by spending a small amount of money.

If you're still getting angry at 'the man', maybe smartphones just aren't for you.
 
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