iOS 10 Now Installed on Nearly 80% of Active iOS Devices

[I7guy]

If you take your 2 year old car to the dealer for maintenance and afterwards it accelerates like a 50 year old moped and the manufacturer says that's normal, buy a new car if it's a problem, you think that's okay? Because that's exactly what Apple does to their iPhones.

There was a firmware patch to the Honda Civic Hybrid that dealers were installing on every car they could get their hands on, even just for an oil change without telling the vehicle owners. It killed the fuel efficiency to compensate for design flaws in the battery system. Considering the only reason to shell out for a hybrid was the fuel efficiency and this change made it about the same as a pure gas model, it was a major problem and of course led to class action lawsuits. That was not okay, and what Apple does is not okay either.

My major complaint about Apple is that they don't let you downgrade again, so I never bothered to upgrade my phones for fear the new version would kill it and I'd be stuck with a piece of garbage until I buy a new phone. For that reason, I always kept my iPhones on the version they shipped with, and that is a huge part of why I haven't owned an iPhone for years. Honestly, I'd probably buy the next model if they allowed the OS to be downgraded (and it had a headphone jack).

Whether you like the way apple runs their business or not and whether you want an iphone or not, is strictly a personal choice.

However, running new software on old hardware and not having it run at all as opposed to having it run at the same speed, or faster or slower is not limited to Apple.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2951...-windows-10-the-answer-will-surprise-you.html

You mean to tell me that the most valuable company on the planet with billions of dollars in the bank can't optimise iOS for a handful of devices?

They do, my 6s is running faster on ios 10 than ios 9. While separate and apart from this, there are always various (and plentiful) threads about android slowing to a crawl or lagging or what have you. Whether it's software, hardware or both, the end result is the same, it easy to point the finger at "Planned obsolescence" by android manufacturers, without any reasonable certainty as if it's really that.

 

[melendezest]

One of the major reasons why they want you to upgrade is that it's more secure that everyone has the latest version of everything. The person still on the old code base becomes a vulnerability to everyone else and themselves. Especially on android where there are so many security holes it's not even funny.

But this is planet earth where people only care about what's good for themselves, so it's understandable that you don't care about upgrading because you probably don't care about the wider benefit to everyone else.

And I find it hilarious that lots of people on this thread feel it's somehow negative to have the latest version of a piece of software. The rest of us are thanksful that companies even bother with updates after they've got your money. In many other consumer electronics products you never get fixes for anything after they've got your cash.

Once again, my Android phone gets security updates outside of an OS release, as well as other funtionality features.

And NO ONE is complaining about getting security updates. The issue in question is Apple bragging about its wholly artificial BS metric and others comparing it to Android in a negative way without understanding how Android actually works.

But this is planet Earth where people overreact when they don't have all necessary information.

 

[I7guy]

Once again, my Android phone gets security updates outside of an OS release, as well as other funtionality features.

And NO ONE is complaining about getting security updates. The issue in question is Apple bragging about its wholly artificial BS metric and others comparing it to Android in a negative way without understanding how Android actually works.

But this is planet Earth where people overreact when they don't have all necessary information.

The point is not about a security update, but the entire lifespan that the device will receive updates. Apples term is 5 years, which equal 5 brand new o/s versions. In rare circumstances a patch will be released after 5 years. The new Apple also seems very quick to pick out security patches fairly quickly.

So my question is does a 5 year old phone like the galaxy s2 get a 2017 operating system?

 

[H2SO4]

Meanwhile, at the Legion of Doom:

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Ridiculous comment, how different would the Apple pie chart look if you weren’t prevented from downgrading?
How popular would unleaded petrol be if you could still widely get hold of leaded?

 

[C DM]

You mean to tell me that the most valuable company on the planet with billions of dollars in the bank can't optimise iOS for a handful of devices?

Who said anything about can't? And how does that relate to what I've been commenting and we've been discussing as far as plausible possibilities vs conspiracies go? Just another deflection?

 

[Radon87000]

Whether you like the way apple runs their business or not and whether you want an iphone or not, is strictly a personal choice.

However, running new software on old hardware and not having it run at all as opposed to having it run at the same speed, or faster or slower is not limited to Apple.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2951...-windows-10-the-answer-will-surprise-you.html


They do, my 6s is running faster on ios 10 than ios 9. While separate and apart from this, there are always various (and plentiful) threads about android slowing to a crawl or lagging or what have you. Whether it's software, hardware or both, the end result is the same, it easy to point the finger at "Planned obsolescence" by android manufacturers, without any reasonable certainty as if it's really that.

Apart from Nexus and Pixel none of the Android devices even get system updates frequently to even execute planned obsolescence. And how can they do it? They don't have access to the low level APIs of Android to do it. Samsung has no control over the OS apart from a skin which the user can easily bypass. And Google has no incentive to collide with Samsung and develop a slow version of Android as Google makes more money when you use the device rather than when you buy the device itself. It was selling Android One devices virtually for free in India

My iPad Air 2 and iPhone 6 are slower than on iOS 8.

Now about that test. Here is Windows 10 outmatching Windows XP in boot time on a Pentium 4.

In fact I would still be impressed if it ran a couple of seconds slower as that's a decade old hardware running the latest OS with cortina,Xbox windows store etc. This is a testament to Microsoft that their OS is still usable on this relic. In other news iPad 2 from 2011 just crashed running 2 tabs somewhere on the planet

You mean the unmatched phone from 2012, that is not receiving updates. Yeah, right.

You mean the patched from 2012 getting the latest updates through Play Services

The point is not about a security update, but the entire lifespan that the device will receive updates. Apples term is 5 years, which equal 5 brand new o/s versions. In rare circumstances a patch will be released after 5 years. The new Apple also seems very quick to pick out security patches fairly quickly.

So my question is does a 5 year old phone like the galaxy s2 get a 2017 operating system?

Android's term is also 5 years. How many times should we tell you that OS updates are irrelevant on Android? Android is not iOS. Google has decoupled almost everything from the OS and placed it on Play Services. A Galaxy S2 is also getting Material design apps and the latest chrome browser and security fixes

Google also patches security fixes in Play Services so fast that you have no idea that your device even updated.It auto updates in the back ground


The question on Android which is relevant is NOT which OS you are running but rather which version of Google Play Services you are on. And here is Google's answer

 

[cfurlin]

But..but...their OS updates are named after delicious things!

Those very same things cause issues that result in high blood pressure and heart disease, which ironically is what happens whenever I'm forced to use anything Android-based.

 

[gim]

Those very same things cause issues that result in high blood pressure and heart disease, which ironically is what happens whenever I'm forced to use anything Android-based.

That is a great metaphor!

 

[Radon87000]

Ridiculous comment, how different would the Apple pie chart look if you weren’t prevented from downgrading?
How popular would unleaded petrol be if you could still widely get hold of leaded?

My guess is if downgrading were allowed it would be just as fragmented as Android

 

[H2SO4]

My guess is if downgrading were allowed it would be just as fragmented as Android

That’s my guess too, and whilst I can see that it’s easier for Apple to manage just one iOS version, it’s disingenuous of them, and some pro Apple anti Android zealots here to imply that the new version is so great they everybody just had to upgrade.

 

[I7guy]

Apart from Nexus and Pixel none of the Android devices even get system updates frequently to even execute planned obsolescence. And how can they do it? They don't have access to the low level APIs of Android to do it. Samsung has no control over the OS apart from a skin which the user can easily bypass. And Google has no incentive to collide with Samsung and develop a slow version of Android as Google makes more money when you use the device rather than when you buy the device itself. It was selling Android One devices virtually for free in India

What do apis have to do with "planned obsolescence "? Deflections?

My iPad Air 2 and iPhone 6 are slower than on iOS 8.

My devices are faster.

Now about that test. Here is Windows 10 outmatching Windows XP in boot time on a Pentium 4.

How does it run? Pc world already proved it was a dog in their test environment.

In fact I would still be impressed if it ran a couple of seconds slower as that's a decade old hardware running the latest OS with cortina,Xbox windows store etc. This is a testament to Microsoft that their OS is still usable on this relic. In other news iPad 2 from 2011 just crashed running 2 tabs somewhere on the planet

Not usable and churning are a testament to Microsoft? Doesn't seem like that to me, given the hyperbole about the claim. And the number of tabs related to the false concept of "planned obsolescence " how?

You mean the patched from 2012 getting the latest updates through Play Services/

Not even patched acccording to the article you posted.

Android's term is also 5 years. How many times should we tell you that OS updates are irrelevant on Android? Android is not iOS. Google has decoupled almost everything from the OS and placed it on Play Services. A Galaxy S2 is also getting Material design apps and the latest chrome browser and security fixes

But not an o/s update.

Google also patches security fixes in Play Services so fast that you have no idea that your device even updated.It auto updates in the back ground

Is that why it takes weeks for updates to hit the Samsung devices?

The question on Android which is relevant is NOT which OS you are running but rather which version of Google Play Services you are on. And here is Google's answer

So now the operating system is irrelevant?

 

[Radon87000]

What do apis have to do with "planned obsolescence "? Deflections?

For planned obsolescence to work you need full control over the OS and the hardware it runs on and monopoly over that market. Samsung doesnt have that level of control.

My devices are faster.

This doesnt refute planned obsolscence as Apple has trapped some dissatisfied users onto a version of iOS the device cant run statisfactorily

How does it run? Pc world already proved it was a dog in their test environment.

Look at that video.Windows 10 was faster. And thats on a Pentium. And even if it was a couple of seconds slower I would still be impressed as iPad Mini takes nearly 10x the amount of time to do anything it could do on iOS 6. In addition its a PC with full customisation of hardware available to you. If something slows down I upgrade a part of it and enjoy

Not usable and churning are a testament to Microsoft? Doesn't seem like that to me, given the hyperbole about the claim. And the number of tabs related to the false concept of "planned obsolescence " how?

Windows 10 is actually usable on a PC 10 years old. I am typing this post on my XPS 8000 which is around 9 years old and its running Windows 10 like it was made for it. This is indeed a testament to Microsoft.

iPad Mini was able to handle web browsing with 7-8 tabs just fine on iOS 6 and there was no input lag. Now its an awful experience just to bring up the keyboard

Not even patched acccording to the article you posted.

What makes you think the writer of the article is an expert on how Android works? President using a 2012 phone makes for a nice clickbait article even though subtle nuances are missed

But not an o/s update.

But Android doesnt need them? Everything is updated through Play Services

Is that why it takes weeks for updates to hit the Samsung devices?

By your logic since you think OS updates on Android are relevant , everyone on Android should have gone with Nexus/Pixel but despite being the only devices on the market with Day 1 updates they are irrelevant. Pixel has even less marketshare than HTC. That's because these customers know that they are gooing to get every update through Play Services. In addition Samsung includes a lot of goodies with the skin on an new OS which makes waiting worth it.

So now the operating system is irrelevant?

Finally. You understand. Its only a matter of time before Google goes the way of Windows and stops naming new releases all together. It would just be "Android"

 

[melendezest]

The point is not about a security update, but the entire lifespan that the device will receive updates. Apples term is 5 years, which equal 5 brand new o/s versions. In rare circumstances a patch will be released after 5 years. The new Apple also seems very quick to pick out security patches fairly quickly.

So my question is does a 5 year old phone like the galaxy s2 get a 2017 operating system?

I don't think so, but again, it depends on what benefit getting a full OS is for the user. On Android, this is not like iOS.

For example, my son's 2013 Galaxy Note 3 is on an older Android OS version, but is able to run modern software without the painful sluggishness that would occur on an Apple device of the same age. This is due to the device's better hardware specs (3 GB RAM vs 1GB) than the Apple iPhone (5S) of its time, as well as the decoupling of core apps from the OS. Even the awesome Split-screen multitasking, a feature still not available on iPhone, was available for that device back then.

That said, the Note 3 came with JellyBean, but was able to be upgraded to both KitKat and Lollipop. However, even on JB the phone has more useful features (for me) than any current iPhone, given both Android's inherent design and Samsung's hardware features. Subsequent Note devices actually eliminated features from this design (sadly), trying to (mistakenly) ape Apple.

So again, OS versions don't matter as much to Android users as they do to iOS users. What matters is what we can do with the phone, and how.

 

[C DM]

I don't think so, but again, it depends on what benefit getting a full OS is for the user. On Android, this is not like iOS.

For example, my son's 2013 Galaxy Note 3 is on an older Android OS version, but is able to run modern software without the painful sluggishness that would occur on an Apple device of the same age. This is due to the device's better hardware specs (3 GB RAM vs 1GB) than the Apple iPhone (5S) of its time, as well as the decoupling of core apps from the OS. Even the awesome Split-screen multitasking, a feature still not available on iPhone, was available for that device back then.

That said, the Note 3 came with JellyBean, but was able to be upgraded to both KitKat and Lollipop. However, even on JB the phone has more useful features (for me) than any current iPhone, given both Android's inherent design and Samsung's hardware features. Subsequent Note devices actually eliminated features from this design (sadly), trying to (mistakenly) ape Apple.

So again, OS versions don't matter as much to Android users as they do to iOS users. What matters is what we can do with the phone, and how.

Somehow many people using iPhone 5s aren't experiencing "painful sluggishness".

 

[Radon87000]

Somehow many people using iPhone 5s aren't experiencing "painful sluggishness".

iPhone 6 is already sluggish

 

[C DM]

iPhone 6 is already sluggish

Some might find that to be the case for one reason or another, and potentially to different degrees of it all, while many others don't.

 

[rdpbass]

The point of this rumor is ?

 

[C DM]

The point of this rumor is ?

What rumor?

 

[I7guy]

For planned obsolescence to work you need full control over the OS and the hardware it runs on and monopoly over that market. Samsung doesnt have that level of control.

But google does which can explain the android lag, according to this logic.

This doesnt refute planned obsolscence as Apple has trapped some dissatisfied users onto a version of iOS the device cant run statisfactorily

Sure it does.

Look at that video.Windows 10 was faster. And thats on a Pentium. And even if it was a couple of seconds slower I would still be impressed as iPad Mini takes nearly 10x the amount of time to do anything it could do on iOS 6. In addition its a PC with full customisation of hardware available to you. If something slows down I upgrade a part of it and enjoy

Pc world experience refutes the video according to current logic.

Windows 10 is actually usable on a PC 10 years old. I am typing this post on my XPS 8000 which is around 9 years old and its running Windows 10 like it was made for it. This is indeed a testament to Microsoft.

No it really isn't, see above link for reference. Or maybe just differing experiences across the board.

iPad Mini was able to handle web browsing with 7-8 tabs just fine on iOS 6 and there was no input lag. Now its an awful experience just to bring up the keyboard

On a good day my iPad 2 did t really handle more than 3 tabs.

What makes you think the writer of the article is an expert on how Android works? President using a 2012 phone makes for a nice clickbait article even though subtle nuances are missed

But clearly you have offered no evidence to the contrary.

But Android doesnt need them? Everything is updated through Play Services

Sonsamsung getsbtimwly updates? That news.

By your logic since you think OS updates on Android are relevant , everyone on Android should have gone with Nexus/Pixel but despite being the only devices on the market with Day 1 updates they are irrelevant. Pixel has even less marketshare than HTC. That's because these customers know that they are gooing to get every update through Play Services. In addition Samsung includes a lot of goodies with the skin on an new OS which makes waiting worth it.

But no timely updates.

Finally. You understand. Its only a matter of time before Google goes the way of Windows and stops naming new releases all together. It would just be "Android"

Except that is not Microsoft is doing. All google will do is try to fool everybody. Apple at least is honest.

 

[Macaholic868]

No, it's security, not money.
If they allowed that, crooks would simply downgrade phones to get around security bugs.

Nice try but with the advent of the activation lock you're not going to get your hands on someone else's phone and be able to downgrade the OS without knowing their iCloud password.

 

[C DM]

Nice try but with the advent of the activation lock you're not going to get your hands on someone else's phone and be able to downgrade the OS without knowing their iCloud password.

That's assuming the iCloud Activation Lock wouldn't be affected by downgrading to some version that doesn't have it or perhaps has some exploit that would allow to get around it in some way.

 

[Macaholic868]

That's assuming the iCloud Activation Lock wouldn't be affected by downgrading to some version that doesn't have it or perhaps has some exploit that would allow to get around it in some way.

If that's the case Apple can go ahead and unsign affected versions of iOS for security's sake rather than having the blanket policy that they do now.

 

[I7guy]

I don't think so, but again, it depends on what benefit getting a full OS is for the user. On Android, this is not like iOS.

For example, my son's 2013 Galaxy Note 3 is on an older Android OS version, but is able to run modern software without the painful sluggishness that would occur on an Apple device of the same age. This is due to the device's better hardware specs (3 GB RAM vs 1GB) than the Apple iPhone (5S) of its time, as well as the decoupling of core apps from the OS. Even the awesome Split-screen multitasking, a feature still not available on iPhone, was available for that device back then.

That said, the Note 3 came with JellyBean, but was able to be upgraded to both KitKat and Lollipop. However, even on JB the phone has more useful features (for me) than any current iPhone, given both Android's inherent design and Samsung's hardware features. Subsequent Note devices actually eliminated features from this design (sadly), trying to (mistakenly) ape Apple.

So again, OS versions don't matter as much to Android users as they do to iOS users. What matters is what we can do with the phone, and how.

Of course the last part is true, but that is not the debate here.

I have two 5s's running on 10.2.1. There is no "painful" sluggishness. And what features an individual might find useful or not, varies across individuals. And it's difficult to compare ram between an android device and ios device due to the different nature of the operating systems.

I was attempting to ascertain the statement put forth here that older android operating systems + updates = new android operating systems vs releasing a new version of IOS with all new functionality. For example the 5s gets ios 10.3, with the new APFS(and other core updates) after 10.3 is released.

 

[Radon87000]

But google does which can explain the android lag, according to this logic.

Apple earns huge profits when you buy a device. Google earns huge profits when you use a Android device. They couldn't care less what version you run as long as you use Their Services which is why 's own apps on iOS are better than Android . And even if they did ty to execute planned obsolescence they would fail because Android has downgrade support

Sure it does.

Nope it doesn't. I would love to have downgraded my Mini to iOS 7. Maybe I wouldn't have sold it then. I would like to downgrade my iPhone 6 to iOS 8.4.1 but I am trapped on this version

Pc world experience refutes the video according to current logic.

Even that PC World article states that Windows 10 was usable on 2008 hardware. And the PCs in that article which struggled to run Windows 10 also struggled to run Windows XP suggesting the hardware is just too weak

really isn't, see above link for reference. Or maybe just differing experiences across the board

Why should I see that link when I have a 2009 PC right in front of me? Maybe that guy didn't maintain his PC properly. Nowhere in that article does he mention whether he did a clean install of Windows 10

On a good day my iPad 2 did t really handle more than 3 tabs.

Mine did. Do you want me to post the video showing an iPhone 4s running as fast as an iPhone 6 on iOS 6

But clearly you have offered no evidence to the contrary.

Google Play Services?

Sonsamsung getsbtimwly updates? That news.

That's news to you. For us Android users we have known it for years. Why do you think Samsung basically carries Android on its back while Mexus is irrelevant? Samsung didn't get the market share it did by not updating their devices

But no timely updates.

Updates every second through Play Services .

Except that is not Microsoft is doing. All google will do is try to fool everybody. Apple at least is honest.

Windows 10 is the last version of Windows . The same is going to happen to Android as Google has successfully decoupled the parts of the OS.

At least Android manufacturers are honest enough to not update devices to versions they can't handle . The Note 3 is running fine on the older Android version whilst no doubt if Samsung updated it to Nougat ton of lag would emerge like it did on older iOS devices
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Of course the last part is true, but that is not the debate here.

I have two 5s's running on 10.2.1. There is no "painful" sluggishness. And what features an individual might find useful or not, varies across individuals. And it's difficult to compare ram between an android device and ios device due to the different nature of the operating systems.

I was attempting to ascertain the statement put forth here that older android operating systems + updates = new android operating systems vs releasing a new version of IOS with all new functionality. For example the 5s gets ios 10.3, with the new APFS(and other core updates) after 10.3 is released.

My iPhone 6 is definitely sluggish which means I would find He iPhone 5s a terrible experience whilst my Nexus 5 from 2013 is running just fine on Android 4.4 kitkat. I am enjoying material design and Pixel launcher without any slowdown. It definitely has lags here and there but nothing I don't see on older iOS devices


Older Android version+ Updates through Play Services= New iOS update for older devices. Heck I am running a 2017 Pixel Launcher on my 2012 device right now

 

[I7guy]

Apple earns huge profits when you buy a device. Google earns huge profits when you use a Android device. They couldn't care less what version you run as long as you use Their Services which is why 's own apps on iOS are better than Android . And even if they did ty to execute planned obsolescence they would fail because Android has downgrade support

Since here is spin on this entire thing, spin can be applied any which way. Google makes out on the sale of android and it's in cohoots with the manufacturers, that's why there are a lot of complaints about lag, etc on android. Google inserts squirrely code, get's people upset enough to upgrade and hence earn more money.

Nope it doesn't. I would love to have downgraded my Mini to iOS 7. Maybe I wouldn't have sold it then. I would like to downgrade my iPhone 6 to iOS 8.4.1 but I am trapped on this version

Nope, it does.

Even that PC World article states that Windows 10 was usable on 2008 hardware. And the PCs in that article which struggled to run Windows 10 also struggled to run Windows XP suggesting the hardware is just too weak

Windows 10 was churning away on the computer they did the test on, ie not very usable.

Why should I see that link when I have a 2009 PC right in front of me? Maybe that guy didn't maintain his PC properly. Nowhere in that article does he mention whether he did a clean install of Windows 10

That you missed a link is neither here nor there to the discussion.

Mine did. Do you want me to post the video showing an iPhone 4s running as fast as an iPhone 6 on iOS 6

Right, an anecdotal experience to be applied to the masses.

Google Play Services?

That's news to you. For us Android users we have known it for years. Why do you think Samsung basically carries Android on its back while Mexus is irrelevant? Samsung didn't get the market share it did by not updating their devices

So your Samsung phone gets timely updates?

Updates every second through Play Services .

Your Samsung phone, updates every second?

Windows 10 is the last version of Windows . The same is going to happen to Android as Google has successfully decoupled the parts of the OS.

That's not how Microsoft rolls.

At least Android manufacturers are honest enough to not update devices to versions they can't handle . The Note 3 is running fine on the older Android version whilst no doubt if Samsung updated it to Nougat ton of lag would emerge like it did on older iOS devices

What ton of lag?

My iPhone 6 is definitely sluggish which means I would find He iPhone 5s a terrible experience whilst my Nexus 5 from 2013 is running just fine on Android 4.4 kitkat. I am enjoying material design and Pixel launcher without any slowdown. It definitely has lags here and there but nothing I don't see on older iOS devices

My iphone 6 is fine though and so are my two iphone 5s's. Enjoy your older operating system. I'm enjoying ios 10.3 on my 6s, which runs faster then ios 9.

Older Android version+ Updates through Play Services= New iOS update for older devices. Heck I am running a 2017 Pixel Launcher on my 2012 device right now

Not really, your operating system is not updated. older android release + update <> new operating system. My oldest 64 bit devices will be good through ios 12, whatever that brings.