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iOS 10 Now Installed on Nearly 80% of Active iOS Devices
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No, it's security, not money.
If they allowed that, crooks would simply downgrade phones to get around security bugs.
Because that's how it was before and people complained.
The way it is now, people can upgrade when they feel like it (or it is convenient) unlike Microsoft's craptastic upgrades.
The "we" are the customers who got their devices crippled by Apple's updates. There are quite a few of them in this thread itself.iPhone 6 feels horrible on iOS 10 compared to how it was on iOS 8
What proof? Synthetic benchmarks or real world usage?
All Android devices from 2012 are getting updates via Google Play Services just like iOS devices. You refuse to even try to understand that comparing Apple and Google's updates policy is comparing apples and oranges. Many people on Android didn't want their device slow down so they have happily downgraded and that "fragmented" chart reflects that. That chart reflects customer choice unlike the iOS chart where people have been forced into upgrading
What noteworthy features does iOS 9 have over 8 that caused iPhone 6 to stutter on even minor animations?
There are also those whose devices were made faster.
Real world usage like my devices. One anecdotal post is just like another and doesn't go to prove anything.
Do they get the latest operating system? Is POTUS phone fully up to date and patched with the latest 2017 o/s? Nobody on iOS is forced into upgrading, all you get is a notice that can be ignored.
My iPhone 6 doesn't stutter on iOS 10.
As usual, what does that deflection have to do with what I commented on?
I am still holding onto my 6s with 9.3.5 because the slide to unlock feature is gone and it is very very annoying to lose that.
The more annoying part is, the phone is charging overnight with Wi-Fi, but the pop-up does not show up first thing in the morning assuming it was downloaded during that time.
Then the phone is still on Wi-Fi most of the day without being charged but the pop-up showed up all of a sudden at 8 something in the evening.
I can't help but to believe the darn thing would download on its own when connected to Wi-Fi while not plugged in.
The more annoying part is, the phone is charging overnight with Wi-Fi, but the pop-up does not show up first thing in the morning assuming it was downloaded during that time.
Then the phone is still on Wi-Fi most of the day without being charged but the pop-up showed up all of a sudden at 8 something in the evening.
I can't help but to believe the darn thing would download on its own when connected to Wi-Fi while not plugged in.
Perhaps security is a reason, but money definitely plays a factor.
By making sure customers stay with the latest iOS and not having the option reverting to previous version, they get to call the shot, essentially. They can either, fix, enhance or cripple a device any way they choose to with the latest update.
I can think of at least a few Android updates that killed battery life for me.
Droid Razr Gingerbread -> ICS: horrid battery drain that was never resolved.
Nexus 5 KitKat -> Lollipop: again huge battery drain in the Lollipop betas was never resolved, Android L launched with absolute abysmal battery life. I've never had an iOS update do anything to that scale. The already meh battery life of the Nexus 5 went to damn near unusable.
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Heard you loud and clear. We really need a credible 3rd player in the market. I want Google and Apple to realize that if they don't take care of the customers, we have a 3rd or 4th option to go to.
Agreed. I got the iPhone 6 in January 2015 and I was not at all impressed with it's speed, or lack thereof. The 6S was very very noticeably faster when it came out, almost shockingly so.
One of my biggest gripes with Apple is their incessant nag to update or upgrade. In the case of MacOS, it can actually stop your software and hardware drivers from working. Don't brag at your "adoption rate" Apple when you harass users daily to update.
The upgrading eventually caused my 4S to be so slow, it was practically unusable. Had to buy a new phone - you win this round Apple. I wish I could have rolled it back to an earlier iOS. Nope, not signed anymore. You're screwed.
I have customers who come in complaining that their software or hardware doesn't work because since they upgraded. I can't blame them ... sometimes you just want the computer to stop interrupting you with upgrade messages.
The upgrading eventually caused my 4S to be so slow, it was practically unusable. Had to buy a new phone - you win this round Apple. I wish I could have rolled it back to an earlier iOS. Nope, not signed anymore. You're screwed.
I have customers who come in complaining that their software or hardware doesn't work because since they upgraded. I can't blame them ... sometimes you just want the computer to stop interrupting you with upgrade messages.
Your last point can only be a fortuitous side-effect (to Cook et al).
I believe the monolithic iOS approach was born early days (when the App store did not exist), and today continues as-is because of the target audience: the download of a monolith, once-and-done, is just simpler to manage by this audience, even if it causes ever-increasing footprints.
Not even the shadow knows. LOL!
I'm depressed now, as this just reminds me that Apple no longer names their OSX OSes after felines. That, and sad for Atari too, although I think they only ever had Panther and Jaguar
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Back in 2011, I had a Samsung Galaxy s2 on Android 2.3.4. I eventually got Android 2.3.6. I don't know if the device was ever able to update to Android 4.x/Kit Kat, and I'm sure it'd be a marked improvement. But I didn't care enough to really look into it. The device was able to take pictures just fine, do file transfers, file management, and do GPS navigation. The last part was certainly not to be trifled with, as this was when iPhone switched to Apple Maps. It was awful enough that a friend with the latest iPhone then spent $80 on some 3rd party GPS app. It worked VERY well, but he was driven to make that purchase.
You would prefer an Apple monopoly in the smartphone/tablet market?
Can you image how much more money they would hose customers if they had no competition to keep them check? $1000 for the base model easily. $2000 for the high end.I, for one, like competition.
Only that Apple's pricing has nothing to do with competition. They have proved over and over again that whatever they price their products they will sell. The trend seems to be the other way around where the Android market is moving towards the super premium tier (800-100 bucks). I for one do not believe monopoly is ever good, however the current state of mobile OS is even worse. There is only one metric that really matters, and Apple is already monopolising that, and that is taking the vast majority (>90%) of the whole industry's profits.
heh... I'm part of the 5%
Ipod Touch 5 on ios7.04
ipad Air on ios8
I subscribe to the "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" approach. Here, I've heard some friends and commentary that IpT5 was half and half... OK to not good at all. didn't want to take that chance. All I use those devices for are for playing video games anyways.
Ipod Touch 5 on ios7.04
ipad Air on ios8
I subscribe to the "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" approach. Here, I've heard some friends and commentary that IpT5 was half and half... OK to not good at all. didn't want to take that chance. All I use those devices for are for playing video games anyways.
One of the major reasons why they want you to upgrade is that it's more secure that everyone has the latest version of everything. The person still on the old code base becomes a vulnerability to everyone else and themselves. Especially on android where there are so many security holes it's not even funny.
But this is planet earth where people only care about what's good for themselves, so it's understandable that you don't care about upgrading because you probably don't care about the wider benefit to everyone else.
And I find it hilarious that lots of people on this thread feel it's somehow negative to have the latest version of a piece of software. The rest of us are thanksful that companies even bother with updates after they've got your money. In many other consumer electronics products you never get fixes for anything after they've got your cash.
Upgrading, even if it's free, can still have woes. Some people here have reported performance issues. Those with mission critical operations, or otherwise use their devices as part of their jobs can experience disruptions from these updates, so they may be better off not updating. Other cases, they make changes to layout, workflows, etc. that may not jive with some users.
Users could at least be given the option of whether or not they'd like to update. If the popup is as intrusive as some users have mentioned, relying on you to NOT tap that button, then that's skating the line of "optional"
My Wii only got one update IIRC, but it was pretty solid for what I used it for.
My LG G4 only costs $220, so I'm not too bummed at being "stuck" at 6.0, one version behind the current OS version. Those who got $40 phones for talking, texting, and some apps won't care that they're on an older version of Android OS. For them, it still just works.
That doesn't invalidate our opinion. For us planned obsolescence exists and for me Apple's smartphones are the only one which slow down every year. Just look at the pathetic state of the Air 2. Can't keep more than 6 apps in memory
And in real world usage iPad Mini was crippled by Apple since iOS 8. So was iPhone 5 and iPhone 4s
Google has decoupled parts of the new operating system so that 99% of what you get in a "new" iOS Update is available on Android through Play Services
All system apps and security fixes are fully up to date on the POTUS phone. Some security issues aren't patched but as a tradeoff the device must be running just as good as the day he bought it which is why he likes the device. This is NOT planned obsolescence as the customer is enjoying the device like it was on Day 1 4 years later
I did an experiment by not updating my iPhone 6 beyond 10.0 and once Apple was 2 versions ahead on 10.2 Apple kept nagging me to update EVERY SINGLE atone I unlocked the phone were I have to tap "Dismiss" to remove the prompt. It also downloaded the update in the background even when I didn't want to.
Mine does. It's going to be an iPad Mini on iOS 11. May probably sell it off this year. If Apple brings out the 64 gig OLED iPhone for 999 it would serve its purpose by recouping some of the cost because otherwise it would be a paperweight thanks to the atrocious lag everywhere
It sure does kills the entire discussion. There is plenty of grousing on the Alternatives forum about lag on new Samsung phones; does that mean they engage in the same? Hint: must be.
And nothing like deflections to keep a "good discussion" going. My car doesn't get to 60 in 1 second. Planned obsolescence.
From above, on the competition nonetheless.
iOS 10 Now Installed on Nearly 80% of Active iOS Devices
Nope, can find posters, who liked IOS 9 and my ipad works fine.
You don't get an operating system update, it's the 1% that counts.
Not according to the article you posted and I quoted. I'll dig it out if necessary. POTUS phone is a security risk.
Apple Loses Fourth Place to Xiaomi in Booming China Smartphone Market
That's not what you said, apple "forced" you to upgrade. I am able to never accept the upgrade, period.
An anecdotal experience does not translate into a broad, sweeping generalization of the masses.
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On a sidenote, I didn't want to update to iOS 10 (and in fact downgraded a week after installing) because the new UI is ugly as sin. Alas, when I got me a new 6S last November, Apple had already stopped digitally signing iOS 9.3.5
fairly easy to disable that pop-up... i'll be sticking to 9.3.5 until they kick me out...
But at the same time statistically insignificant anecdotal numbers don't really show much one way or another.
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You might experience some issues here and there and there might certainly be others, but it doesn't mean there's a conspiracy behind it. It's certainly a hypothesis that you can (and seemingly do) have, but that's essentially all it is.