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Though times for iOS 11 if you have to compare it to the mess android fragmentation is .

Here lies the problem, android adoption was always crap, iOS was not ......
 
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I have an android device and thats still on Jelly Bean. Why does it have an old OS ? Because the maker of the phone has never released an update, and its not directly updatable from any other source.
 
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Do they even count those devices? All of them (I think) are 32 bit devices that can't install IOS 11 anyway, aren't they?

they would still be counted (if online and used) in the non-upgrade numbers. just because a device doesn't qualify for an update doesn't suddenly mean the device stops working. There are likely plenty of people on iPhone's that wont get iOS11, but are running iOS10 fine. They'll likely either have to buy a new device to move into the iOS11 cetogory, or they'll stay in the iOS10 (or earlier) category for the time being). They shouldn't be removed from the count (that would be cheating these numbers)
 
The adoption rate is down because less people bought the new iPhone which is preloaded with the latest OS. It will jump again in November assuming X has any supply at launch.

There lies the problem, rumours point to very poor supply into Q1
 
My iPhone 6 has been smooth as glass since I got it nearly three years ago. Install iOS 11, and stutter, stutter, stutter, freeze, delay, stutter. OMG, I'm so sad. My phone was still working perfectly, until yesterday. I should NOT have upgraded.

My Air 2 is the same; stutters everywhere and apps taking twice as long to open. Say what you like about android about how they get slower over time, but you get the option to uninstall and change the OS as often as you like. I really wasnt going to update because several of my banking apps are still 32 bit, but relented thinking they will update them. My own fault.
 
like some sort of penis size measuring comparison.

they would still be counted (if online and used) in the non-upgrade numbers. just because a device doesn't qualify for an update doesn't suddenly mean the device stops working. [...] They shouldn't be removed from the count (that would be cheating these numbers)

...or to continue with your earlier analogy: Not counting those devices would be like measuring from the taint.
 
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Do they even count those devices? All of them (I think) are 32 bit devices that can't install IOS 11 anyway, aren't they?
They say they count all device that connect at least once per month (?) to the app store.
 
Won't stop most of the uninformed people on these forums (as well allover the internet) who keep repeating the same nonsense and FUD like some sort of penis size measuring comparison though.


Interesting though. if you take the 15% (rounding) who are on 7.x. you're still talking about an estimated 390 million users. (estimated install base of 2.6Billion Android devices)

so 20% of iOS users on the new platform is about 120million (estimates of about 600million active iPhones)

https://www.statista.com/statistics/385001/smartphone-worldwide-installed-base-operating-systems/



So not only is there a sheer difference in business models and how android updates v Android feature updates get rolled out (OS updates v core app updates). But there's a sheer difference in just volume of devices that exist out there.
Your facts do not support my narrative. Therefore, I will engage my ad hominem skills to redirect your attention to an unrelated topic where I hold an advantage of vague innuendo coupled with nonsensical puffery. To wit, Lord Vic is a poo poo head and Kit Kat has stuxnet. Ipso facto... iOS supercedes. Awww yeah.
 
I honestly think iOS 11 is running better on my SE than 10 did. The browsing experience is better and the phone just feels smoother. The only hiccups I’ve had are it won’t always unlock immediately (I have Rest Finger to Open enabled) and Field Test Mode doesn’t show the dbm numbers in the corner anymore. I would rather have a number than vague bars.
 
One would assume they wouldn't included device that ios 11 adoption isn't possible for. I could be wrong but that would be silly to include those devices in the % calculation.
It's not silly if you look at from a developer or security perspective.
 
Pass. I read nothing but issues and lag on the 7+ with iOS 11, and after my experience on the 6+ and iOS 10, I doubt I'll be updating.
 
Yeah, it's almost as bad as those people who compare the final release of iOS 10 to the first release of iOS 11, and shout conspiracy theories about how Apple is purposefully slowing down older devices.
Not gonna lie, I've got an iPhone 6 and with every latest iOS update it has gotten buggier, slower, and battery life has continued to decrease. If it doesn't help my device and runs like ****, then Apple shouldn't make it part of the compatible list of devices that can update. Because I'm not going to spend $1,000 on a new iPhone anytime soon... if ever.
 
The 32bit apps would be another but I dug out my old iphone 4 for them so it's not as big of an issue, although I do wonder how many are holding back because of this.
I just haven't gotten around to sifting through my 100+ 32-bit apps to see which ones I need (or want) to look for a 64-bit alternative.
 
My Air 2 is the same; stutters everywhere and apps taking twice as long to open.

Try a clean iOS 11 install using iTunes. Wipe it, fresh iOS 11 install, fresh install apps. This will go a long way to clearing up problems and issues. Incremental updates on a major iOS refresh usually result in lag and other problems.
 
Try a clean iOS 11 install using iTunes. Wipe it, fresh iOS 11 install, fresh install apps. This will go a long way to clearing up problems and issues. Incremental updates on a major iOS refresh usually result in lag and other problems.

My brand new iPhone 8 Plus lagged as soon as I opened it. It has nothing to do with having a fresh install. iOS 11 is just poorly optimised and is a disgrace from Apple. Even after this update my iPhone with its ‘fastest mobile chip ever’ in a phone still lags. Quality control is just lost at Apple these days and has been ever since Forstall was fired.
 
My brand new iPhone 8 Plus lagged as soon as I opened it. It has nothing to do with having a fresh install. iOS 11 is just poorly optimised and is a disgrace from Apple. Even after this update my iPhone with its ‘fastest mobile chip ever’ in a phone still lags. Quality control is just lost at Apple these days and has been ever since Forstall was fired.
I’m running iOS 11 in my iPhone 7 with zero issues.
 
Your facts do not support my narrative. Therefore, I will engage my ad hominem skills to redirect your attention to an unrelated topic where I hold an advantage of vague innuendo coupled with nonsensical puffery. To wit, Lord Vic is a poo poo head and Kit Kat has stuxnet. Ipso facto... iOS supercedes. Awww yeah.

you win the internet for today :D
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...or to continue with your earlier analogy: Not counting those devices would be like measuring from the taint.

and you just won Runner up :p
 
Considering Apple all but forces you to upgrade I'm not surprised

Why always, yes always the negativity towards Apple product from you, if you don't like it then it might be a better option to stay away here.

And no, Apple does not force you to update, 'you' make the choice to update
 
My original iPad Air (I know it is old) was working absolutely fine until this upgrade.

I don’t buy into the conspiracies and other bollocks that they are meant to force you to upgrade but iOS 11 definitely has something wrong with it because my iPad is pretty much a damn brick now.

The quality of the coding is being lowered every release, not to mention the design, for instance there are some instances of text overlapping the search area and loupe icon in the music app.

It’s like the extreme and over the top attention to detail is fading away.

=(
 
I'm holding back from upgrading because of the usual bugs and the inability to downgrade.

I know someone at work who upgraded day 1 and he had issues on their iphone 7 plus, although so far my iphone 8 plus seems ok.

The 32bit apps would be another but I dug out my old iphone 4 for them so it's not as big of an issue, although I do wonder how many are holding back because of this.
I've got games I want to keep that are 32 so haven't upgraded. On 6s+. I'll update them on iPad to keep them and prop wait initial v2 on phone. Or just wait. Phone is fine so do no need to update.
Annoyingly old iPhone 5s which better half is about to use is stuck on what it was or on 11.
Don't want to go to 11 as no report of does it screw it?
 
I’m running iOS 11 in my iPhone 7 with zero issues.

No stutter when swiping between photos in the photos app? No lag when scrolling (long scroll then let go) in the App Store? No flickering glitch when going in and out of some apps?

If not I envy you. I see nothing but UI glitches and stuttets aroind the OS.
 
My brand new iPhone 8 Plus lagged as soon as I opened it. It has nothing to do with having a fresh install. iOS 11 is just poorly optimised and is a disgrace from Apple. Even after this update my iPhone with its ‘fastest mobile chip ever’ in a phone still lags. Quality control is just lost at Apple these days and has been ever since Forstall was fired.
If you look at recent iOS history, it seems like the newest devices are the ones iOS is not quite optimized for out of the box. I believe people had complaints about the 7+ animations last year and possibly the 6s+ before that. It usually gets ironed out after awhile.
 
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